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I don't see how people consider these theories when they have basically been proven. People are just to ignorant to accept the fact that these things did happen. I'm sorry to break it to you but a magical being did not just make this universe and this planet and put two people on it, all of ous are not related. First off the big bang, it's called red shift people, other galaxies are moving away from us for a reason, the universe is still expanding from an explosion that created the whole universe. Things don't just magically appear especially a never ending universe. Animals evolve, that is just how life is, we adapt to the enviorment and we as living beings change over time. Do you think the old bones found of early humans that have bigger heads are fake or something, our head shrunk because we evolved. Birds are a great example also, they didn't always look like what they did today, they used to be much different and guess what.... the evolved. It's what all creatures do. And you can try as hard as you can to believe that these things are not true as much as you would like, but then you would just be plain wrong. Scientists don't consider these theories they consider them facts, it's us, the society of everyday people that make it a theory because of all the people to ignorant who aren't accpeting of the truth. Believe what you would like, but these should be considered facts not theories, kids don't learn these things in school because they are lies, they learn it because it is true! Open your eyes people, if you think these are fake google these theories and see for yourself how real they actually are. Anyone else agree with me here?

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Schools taught that African-Americans were property at one point and I don't think they were right. In any case, both are theories that are accepted by many people. Maybe Family Guy got it right.

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I didn't read beyond the first sentence... All I need to say is that you need to get a science textbook and look up the word "theory".
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Not everyone can lead their lives with logic and reason as their guide, silly.

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Schools taught that African-Americans were property at one point and I don't think they were right. In any case, both are theories that are accepted by many people. Maybe Family Guy got it right.

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... Ok can we stress a difference between cultural opinions.. And Scientific theory.. Theory is the closest thing to fact in the Science community.. And evolution IS factt, as well as the Big Bang.. Scientists have found enough evidence with no evidence contridicting it to make that ascertion.. What is being argued is other things such as why it happened, how it exactly happened etc etc.. That "theory" that people like to stress are noless but fools who have no clue what they are talking about.. If they did they wouldn't knock on it because they would realize things like photosynthesis, gravity, and numerous other thigns are theory..
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The problem comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theory" in terms of its precise scientific definition. In terms of its use in common scenarios, the word "theory" denotes nothing more than a hypothesis or a guess. In science, however, a theory is, in essence, broader than a fact, not subordinate to a fact. A theory in scientific terms is essentially an explanation for a collection of facts - for example, the diversity of life in the case of the theory of evolution, or the existence of the universe as it stands today in the case of the Big Bang theory. A common misconception is that a "theory" will eventually become a "law" once it gains enough proof, but that just isn't so - a law simply describes how things are, whereas a theory describes why things are the way they are.

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Neither of them has been proven, per say. That said, there is very, very strong evidence for evolution (microevolution has been observed, speciazation has not (to my knowledge), but there is very strong evidence for it), and there is a decent amount of evidence for the Big Bang.

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But they are both theories. No-one in their right mind would say they are anything but a theory.
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The problem comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theory" in terms of its precise scientific definition. In terms of its use in common scenarios, the word "theory" denotes nothing more than a hypothesis or a guess. In science, however, a theory is, in essence, broader than a fact, not subordinate to a fact. A theory in scientific terms is essentially an explanation for a collection of facts - for example, the diversity of life in the case of the theory of evolution, or the existence of the universe as it stands today in the case of the Big Bang theory. A common misconception is that a "theory" will eventually become a "law" once it gains enough proof, but that just isn't so - a law simply describes how things are, whereas a theory describes why things are the way they are.

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And even laws are broken. The Laws of Thermodynamics are "law", but anyone that knows about nuclear energy knows that the first law has been broken many times. :)
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They are called theories because they ARE theories. Doesn't matter how well they've been proven, they will ALWAYS be theories.

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#11 REA24409
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They are called theories because they ARE theories. Doesn't matter how well they've been proven, they will ALWAYS be theories.

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After putting it that way it all makes sense to me:lol: Thanks for telling me what they are, I figured that one out a while ago. I know it's not going to change but I want to voice my oppinion that it should.

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The problem comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theory" in terms of its precise scientific definition. In terms of its use in common scenarios, the word "theory" denotes nothing more than a hypothesis or a guess. In science, however, a theory is, in essence, broader than a fact, not subordinate to a fact. A theory in scientific terms is essentially an explanation for a collection of facts - for example, the diversity of life in the case of the theory of evolution, or the existence of the universe as it stands today in the case of the Big Bang theory. A common misconception is that a "theory" will eventually become a "law" once it gains enough proof, but that just isn't so - a law simply describes how things are, whereas a theory describes why things are the way they are.

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the big bang theory can not be proven so it will remain a "theory" as for evolution their are some evidence that makes it plusable like whales having vestigial hind limbs that could have been used for walking. here some other examples http://www.livescience.com/animals/top10_vestigial_organs-1.html
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Everything in science is a theory. Gravity is still a theory, and while the theory of gravity probably isn't going to change, it is still a theory.

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And even laws are broken. The Laws of Thermodynamics are "law", but anyone that knows about nuclear energy knows that the first law has been broken many times. :)remmbermytitans

Huh? I'm not sure what you mean there. The first law of thermodynamics simply says that energy can be transformed from one form or another, but cannot be created or destroyed. You might be talking about the fact that matter can be turned into energy, but that isn't a violation of this law; part of the theory of relativity showed that matter was, in fact, a form of energy.

the big bang theory can not be proven so it will remain a "theory" as for evolution their are some evidence that makes it plusable like whales having vestigial hind limbs that could have been used for walking.kemar7856

...No, that has nothing to do with the term "theory" at all. Like I said, the term "theory" in science does not carry with it the connotation that it hasn't been proven or whatever. In fact, for a hypothesis to become a theory in science, it must undergo rigorous experimental verification, really. The word "theory" in science is simply a word denoting an accepted explanation for a set of facts.

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Everything in science is a theory. Gravity is still a theory, and while the theory of gravity probably isn't going to change, it is still a theory.

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gravity not a theory its a force that can be calculated on its affect with mass
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[QUOTE="kemar7856"][QUOTE="Darth_Tyrev"]

Everything in science is a theory. Gravity is still a theory, and while the theory of gravity probably isn't going to change, it is still a theory.

gravity not a theory its a force that can be calculated on its affect with mass

Photosynthesis is a theory..
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gravity not a theory its a force that can be calculated on its affect with masskemar7856
Gravity is both a theory and a force.
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gravity not a theory its a force that can be calculated on its affect with masskemar7856

The problem with the word "gravity" is that it's kind of overloaded in science. It's used by itself to refer to the attraction between two bodies of mass, but "the theory of gravity" is something entirely different: it is the theory stating that that attraction occurs because large objects curve space inwards towards them, much as placing a bowling ball on a mattress with curve the surface downward and cause small objects on the same surface to roll towards the bowling ball.

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I don't see how people consider these theories when they have basically been proven. People are just to ignorant to accept the fact that these things did happen. I'm sorry to break it to you but a magical being did not just make this universe and this planet and put two people on it, all of us are not related. First off the big bang, it's called red shift people, other galaxies are moving away from us for a reason, the universe is still expanding from an explosion that created the whole universe. Things don't just magically appear especially a never ending universe. Animals evolve, that is just how life is, we adapt to the enviorment and we as living beings change over time. Do you think the old bones found of early humans that have bigger heads are fake or something, our head shrunk because we evolved. Birds are a great example also, they didn't always look like what they did today, they used to be much different and guess what.... the evolved. It's what all creatures do. And you can try as hard as you can to believe that these things are not true as much as you would like, but then you would just be plain wrong. Scientists don't consider these theories they consider them facts, it's us, the society of everyday people that make it a theory because of all the people to ignorant who aren't accpeting of the truth. Believe what you would like, but these should be considered facts not theories, kids don't learn these things in school because they are lies, they learn it because it is true! Open your eyes people, if you think these are fake google these theories and see for yourself how real they actually are. Anyone else agree with me here?

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FAIL. Everyone on earth can trace back to one woman in Africa, if your going to argue science at least know what your talking about.

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I don't think photosynthesis is a theory. And might I say GabuEx you are one smart person

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[QUOTE="scoots9"]

[QUOTE="REA24409"]

I don't see how people consider these theories when they have basically been proven. People are just to ignorant to accept the fact that these things did happen. I'm sorry to break it to you but a magical being did not just make this universe and this planet and put two people on it, all of us are not related. First off the big bang, it's called red shift people, other galaxies are moving away from us for a reason, the universe is still expanding from an explosion that created the whole universe. Things don't just magically appear especially a never ending universe. Animals evolve, that is just how life is, we adapt to the enviorment and we as living beings change over time. Do you think the old bones found of early humans that have bigger heads are fake or something, our head shrunk because we evolved. Birds are a great example also, they didn't always look like what they did today, they used to be much different and guess what.... the evolved. It's what all creatures do. And you can try as hard as you can to believe that these things are not true as much as you would like, but then you would just be plain wrong. Scientists don't consider these theories they consider them facts, it's us, the society of everyday people that make it a theory because of all the people to ignorant who aren't accpeting of the truth. Believe what you would like, but these should be considered facts not theories, kids don't learn these things in school because they are lies, they learn it because it is true! Open your eyes people, if you think these are fake google these theories and see for yourself how real they actually are. Anyone else agree with me here?

FAIL. Everyone on earth can trace back to one woman in Africa, if your going to argue science at least know what your talking about.

I hope this isn't serious..
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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]gravity not a theory its a force that can be calculated on its affect with massGenetic_Code
Gravity is both a theory and a force.

Gravity a scientific law that has a relationship between to observed quantities and its universal
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Umm I highly doubt all of us are related to one African women, whoever told you that was wrong. So don't try to make me sound stupid when it is you who is stating the false facts

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Umm I highly doubt all of us are related to one African women, whoever told you that must have been wrong. IREA24409
lol who is this lady that we all desendend from ?
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Umm I highly doubt all of us are related to one African women, whoever told you that must have been wrong. IREA24409
That's a hypothesis better known as Mitochondrial Eve.
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Beat me to it Genetic_Code
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I don't think photosynthesis is a theory. And might I say GabuEx you are one smart person

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photosynthesis process is not a theory its been proven and examined. However the creation of the first photosynthetic organism is a theory that ties into the creation of life here on earth

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[QUOTE="REA24409"]Umm I highly doubt all of us are related to one African women, whoever told you that must have been wrong. Ikemar7856
lol who is this lady that we all desendend from ?

I think this maybe be the lady he is talking about

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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

[QUOTE="REA24409"]

I don't think photosynthesis is a theory. And might I say GabuEx you are one smart person

photosynthesis process is not a theory its been proven and examined. However the creation of the first photosynthetic organism is a theory that ties into the creation of life here on earth

.... Yeah its a theory.. Its with in the scientific theory of Photosyntheiss.. Just like Evolution.. Evolution is seen as fact under the science community that it did and does happen to this day but other parts of the theroy are being discussed..
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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

[QUOTE="REA24409"]

I don't think photosynthesis is a theory. And might I say GabuEx you are one smart person

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photosynthesis process is not a theory its been proven and examined. However the creation of the first photosynthetic organism is a theory that ties into the creation of life here on earth

.... Yeah its a theory.. Its with in the scientific theory of Photosyntheiss.. Just like Evolution.. Evolution is seen as fact under the science community that it did and does happen to this day but other parts of the theroy are being discussed..

ye but the I talking about the energy transformation not the theory of all life

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Schools taught that African-Americans were property at one point and I don't think they were right. In any case, both are theories that are accepted by many people. Maybe Family Guy got it right.

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Comparing those 2 is about as valid as comparing getting married to your dog to gay marriage
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]

Schools taught that African-Americans were property at one point and I don't think they were right. In any case, both are theories that are accepted by many people. Maybe Family Guy got it right.

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Comparing those 2 is about as valid as comparing getting married to your dog to gay marriage

i dont get it
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The problem comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theory" in terms of its precise scientific definition. In terms of its use in common scenarios, the word "theory" denotes nothing more than a hypothesis or a guess. In science, however, a theory is, in essence, broader than a fact, not subordinate to a fact. A theory in scientific terms is essentially an explanation for a collection of facts - for example, the diversity of life in the case of the theory of evolution, or the existence of the universe as it stands today in the case of the Big Bang theory. A common misconception is that a "theory" will eventually become a "law" once it gains enough proof, but that just isn't so - a law simply describes how things are, whereas a theory describes why things are the way they are.

remmbermytitans

And even laws are broken. The Laws of Thermodynamics are "law", but anyone that knows about nuclear energy knows that the first law has been broken many times. :)

this isn't true at all, where are you getting the idea that nuclear energy doesn't conserve mass or energy?

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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The problem comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "theory" in terms of its precise scientific definition. In terms of its use in common scenarios, the word "theory" denotes nothing more than a hypothesis or a guess. In science, however, a theory is, in essence, broader than a fact, not subordinate to a fact. A theory in scientific terms is essentially an explanation for a collection of facts - for example, the diversity of life in the case of the theory of evolution, or the existence of the universe as it stands today in the case of the Big Bang theory. A common misconception is that a "theory" will eventually become a "law" once it gains enough proof, but that just isn't so - a law simply describes how things are, whereas a theory describes why things are the way they are.

yoshi-lnex

And even laws are broken. The Laws of Thermodynamics are "law", but anyone that knows about nuclear energy knows that the first law has been broken many times. :)

this isn't true at all, where are you getting the idea that nuclear energy doesn't conserve mass or energy?

People like to make things up so they can sound smarter, you can tell this guy is one of those people.

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"] And even laws are broken. The Laws of Thermodynamics are "law", but anyone that knows about nuclear energy knows that the first law has been broken many times. :)REA24409

this isn't true at all, where are you getting the idea that nuclear energy doesn't conserve mass or energy?

People like to make things up so they can sound smarter, you can tell this guy is one of those people.

I never even read that :( and gabu is right how can the first law be broken when its absolute
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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="kemar7856"] photosynthesis process is not a theory its been proven and examined. However the creation of the first photosynthetic organism is a theory that ties into the creation of life here on earth

.... Yeah its a theory.. Its with in the scientific theory of Photosyntheiss.. Just like Evolution.. Evolution is seen as fact under the science community that it did and does happen to this day but other parts of the theroy are being discussed..

ye but the I talking about the energy transformation not the theory of all life

The theory of photosynthesis is in the same boat.. With out it all we would know is plants grow and thrive with sun light, soil and water..
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Wow there are a lot of people with a serious misunderstanding of the basic tenants of science.
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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .... Yeah its a theory.. Its with in the scientific theory of Photosyntheiss.. Just like Evolution.. Evolution is seen as fact under the science community that it did and does happen to this day but other parts of the theroy are being discussed.. sSubZerOo

ye but the I talking about the energy transformation not the theory of all life

The theory of photosynthesis is in the same boat.. With out it all we would know is plants grow and thrive with sun light, soil and water..

no we know about the calvin cycle and the creation of aha and that crap
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Everything in science is a theory. Gravity is still a theory, and while the theory of gravity probably isn't going to change, it is still a theory.

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I've never heard of the theory of gravity, but I have heard of the LAW of gravity.

Gravity is a law.

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Scientific theory:

A theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable."

The word "theory" is not an antonym to the word "fact" in science, mostly because "facts" don't exist in science.

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[QUOTE="Darth_Tyrev"]

Everything in science is a theory. Gravity is still a theory, and while the theory of gravity probably isn't going to change, it is still a theory.

Samurai_Xavier

I've never heard of the theory of gravity, but I have heard of the LAW of gravity.

Gravity is a law.

The LAW of gravity has been changed many times since the THEORY of gravity upon which the LAW is based was formulated.

A law is not unbreakable, either. It is only called a law because of inductive reasoning, which was shown many years ago to be inadequate by simple logic.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="kemar7856"] ye but the I talking about the energy transformation not the theory of all life

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The theory of photosynthesis is in the same boat.. With out it all we would know is plants grow and thrive with sun light, soil and water..

no we know about the calvin cycle and the creation of aha and that crap

Which is all covered under the theory.. Scientific theory is the closest thing that can stated in science.. Intensive purposes it is the fact of the science world..

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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]gravity not a theory its a force that can be calculated on its affect with massGabuEx

The problem with the word "gravity" is that it's kind of overloaded in science. It's used by itself to refer to the attraction between two bodies of mass, but "the theory of gravity" is something entirely different: it is the theory stating that that attraction occurs because large objects curve space inwards towards them, much as placing a bowling ball on a mattress with curve the surface downward and cause small objects on the same surface to roll towards the bowling ball.

Good Shht my man, I just have to say, I Love to hear shht that sounds 100% legit

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Always the wrong word for evolution. WE DO NOT ADEPT, WE SURVIVE. There is a big difference. We do not change our gene to adapt to new environment. When Sarse (spelling) hits, people survive from it because they already can, not because they suddenly mutate and counter the virus. Meaning, if we are all the same clone, we would all be dead from the new disease. This is the real evolution. We mix and mutate genes to create varieties for survival. It is possible that one day, the midget gene, that we don't favor upon, is the gene saves all human kind from new deadly disease.magicalclick
Very true, this is why its puzzling why people think evolution doesn't occur.. We have had our hands in it tremendously as a spieces.. If we did not control the evolution of certain plants or animals, we could never have domesticated them.
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Well, I have a question for you, why if these theories are proven have they always been changing. Like the Big Bang theory is now not believed by many astro and particle physicists that are now believe that there was a little bang then a biger bangs or a series of bigger bangs. Also on the theory of evolution, you cannot get anyone to tell you how life began. Some will tell you it was just chance even though there was a 1 in 10^300 (300 zeros) change of it happening on earth. Some will tell you that it came from other places, they don't agree. They are nowhere close to being proven. I don't think anything will ever be proven, and I don't think Humans are smart enought to even come close to what really happend.

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]Always the wrong word for evolution. WE DO NOT ADEPT, WE SURVIVE. There is a big difference. We do not change our gene to adapt to new environment. When Sarse (spelling) hits, people survive from it because they already can, not because they suddenly mutate and counter the virus. Meaning, if we are all the same clone, we would all be dead from the new disease. This is the real evolution. We mix and mutate genes to create varieties for survival. It is possible that one day, the midget gene, that we don't favor upon, is the gene saves all human kind from new deadly disease.sSubZerOo
Very true, this is why its puzzling why people think evolution doesn't occur.. We have had our hands in it tremendously as a spieces.. If we did not control the evolution of certain plants or animals, we could never have domesticated them.

I don't know of may poeple who say evolution doesn't occur, or at least they will call it adaptation or something. But people deny the theory of evolution becasue it has a bunch of problems, not the least of which being how life began (as I mentioned earlier look at my post).
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Well, I have a question for you, why if these theories are proven have they always been changing. Like the Big Bang theory is now not believed by many astro and particle physicists that are now believe that there was a little bang then a biger bangs or a series of bigger bangs. Also on the theory of evolution, you cannot get anyone to tell you how life began. Some will tell you it was just chance even though there was a 1 in 10^300 (300 zeros) change of it happening on earth. Some will tell you that it came from other places, they don't agree. They are nowhere close to being proven. I don't think anything will ever be proven, and I don't think Humans are smart enought to even come close to what really happend.

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You need to educate yourself about what science is.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]Always the wrong word for evolution. WE DO NOT ADEPT, WE SURVIVE. There is a big difference. We do not change our gene to adapt to new environment. When Sarse (spelling) hits, people survive from it because they already can, not because they suddenly mutate and counter the virus. Meaning, if we are all the same clone, we would all be dead from the new disease. This is the real evolution. We mix and mutate genes to create varieties for survival. It is possible that one day, the midget gene, that we don't favor upon, is the gene saves all human kind from new deadly disease.Jacobistheman
Very true, this is why its puzzling why people think evolution doesn't occur.. We have had our hands in it tremendously as a spieces.. If we did not control the evolution of certain plants or animals, we could never have domesticated them.

I don't know of may poeple who say evolution doesn't occur, or at least they will call it adaptation or something. But people deny the theory of evolution becasue it has a bunch of problems, not the least of which being how life began (as I mentioned earlier look at my post).

That has nothing to do with evolution.