The Republicans who want ignorance to get equal time in schools

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/creationism

Education is the new Republican enemy. No more free thinking and empirical evidence, just the Bible, rumour and Fox News

Not content with merely waging war on women, Republicans are targeting another enemy of conservatism: education. New Hampshire state Republican Jerry Bergevin recently railed against science and the atheist eggheads who call themselves teachers: "I want the full portrait of evolution and the people who came up with the ideas to be presented. It's a world view and it's godless."

While New Hampshire didn't end up passing Bergevin's anti-evolution law, Tennessee did. Its new statute allows ? even encourages ? teachers to express scepticism toward, as the bill says, "scientific subjects, including, but not limited to, biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, and global warming". The American Institute of Biological Sciences, the National Earth Science Teachers Association, the National Centre for Science Education and all eight of Tennessee's members of the National Academy of Sciences oppose the new law, calling it "miseducation". But what do these no 'count heathen elitist PhD Darwinites know? The government of Tennessee wants you to know they ain't kin to no monkey.

And there you have it: the conservative attitude to knowledge. No reading, no exploration, no empirical evidence, no learning, no free play of ideas. Just rumour, Fox News and the Bible. Why think? It'll just make you unhappy.

Yes, but let's be fair. Anything outside accepted leftist doctrine or revisionist history is also flatly demonized by the left.

Yes, but let's be fair. Anything outside accepted leftist doctrine or revisionist history is also flatly demonized by the leftIustitiaMaximus

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]Yes, but let's be fair. Anything outside accepted leftist doctrine or revisionist history is also flatly demonized by the leftZeviander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfu

Let's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]Yes, but let's be fair. Anything outside accepted leftist doctrine or revisionist history is also flatly demonized by the leftIustitiaMaximus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfu

Let's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.

All of that sounds complete bogus, can you provide anything credible at all?

This isn't really a "new enemy". Certain members of the Republican party have been campaigning against various mainstream scientific theories since their party became infected by religious extremists, which is a more detailed way of saying "it's been like this for years". Naturally this is not good in any way for the American population, but, eh, it's politics.

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Examples? tenaka2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfu

Let's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.

All of that sounds complete bogus, can you provide anything credible at all?

Daring to question the theory of global warming, Suggesting the Confederates weren't evil, Pointing out the good in capitalism and the virtues of the private sector. And a student's art was removed on grounds of being 'offensive' because it included both a mother and a father.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfuLet's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.IustitiaMaximus

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[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"] Daring to question the theory of global warming, Suggesting the Confederates weren't evil, Pointing out the good in capitalism and the virtues of the private sector. And a student's art was removed on grounds of being 'offensive' because it included both a mother and a father.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfu

Let's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.

IustitiaMaximus

All of that sounds complete bogus, can you provide anything credible at all?

You provided nothing to back up your many claims apart from an unsourced youtube video.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]Yes, but let's be fair. Anything outside accepted leftist doctrine or revisionist history is also flatly demonized by the leftIustitiaMaximus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfu

Let's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.

Yes because "the left" is some kind of hive mind that reacts uniformly to things. Clearly if one member of "the left" wants to suppress art on the grounds of offensiveness, this proves that the entire "organization" has the same opinion on the matter. Also, we mustn't delude ourselves that a school board decision that got retracted anyway is in any way less significant than state legislation in terms of the scale of information manipulation. :roll:

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

All of that sounds complete bogus, can you provide anything credible at all?

tenaka2

You provided nothing to back up your many claims apart from an unsourced youtube video.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"] Bogus? How?

IustitiaMaximus

You provided nothing to back up your many claims apart from an unsourced youtube video.

Lol, the topic isn't about some leftist doctrine, whatever the hell that means.

This is about a State legislature introducing the nonesensical mythology of bronze age sheep hearders into a FRIGGIN SCIENCE CLASSROM.

The hell are you on?

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You provided nothing to back up your many claims apart from an unsourced youtube video.

Kinthalis

Lol, the topic isn't about some leftist doctrine, whatever the hell that means.

This is about a State legislature introducing the nonesensical mythology of bronze age sheep hearders into a FRIGGIN SCIENCE CLASSROM.

The hell are you on?

I really wish I didn't enjoy living in the U.S so much because I'm really starting to hate everyone in this country. Creationism is not a theory, there is not a single valid reason for even bringing up this nonsense at all.

It's about the ignorance mongering being pushed by both sides.IustitiaMaximus

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]It's about the ignorance mongering being pushed by both sides.Zeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]It's about the ignorance mongering being pushed by both sides.IustitiaMaximus

Because that nonesense comes into play when these kind of laws are passed. The sponsor of these creationism bill tend to view people who believe in evolution as God-less heathens who are seeking to destroy mankind's spirituality. Almost everytime I've seen that kind of sentiment raised, the words "left" and "liberal" are throw about too.

Creationism isn't a another scientific way to view the world. It isn't science. Many religious people will tell you that the creation story is just that, a story.

If you refuse to acknowledge the flaws in your own ideology, then how can I help you? When will you people wise up and knock off this republican vs. democrat, right vs left, etc. nonsense?IustitiaMaximus

creationism is not as dumb as teaching effort over outcome, and creationism is fvcking stupid

atheism does not neccesarily mean the person is a "scientist" or egghead. People seem to use those two terms interchangeably. Scientific analysis shows they are not the same.

creationism is not as dumb as teaching effort over outcome, and creationism is fvcking stupid

surrealnumber5

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creationism is not as dumb as teaching effort over outcome, and creationism is fvcking stupid

sonicare

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creationism is not as dumb as teaching effort over outcome, and creationism is fvcking stupid

surrealnumber5

Well, I demand that Roman Polytheisim gets it's creation myth installed and teached. Seriusly, you guys should call up your local GOP and demand that Muslim creation is also taught, or Hindu. Just watch how fast they change their opinion. IIRC some school board in Florida allowed parents to have their kids bring in religious flyers, but imediantly stopped it when some pagan parents sent in flyers XD.

The fact that there is a first world country where its actually a possibility that children could potentially be taught such ****... it's disheartening.

I also think there should be a law that states if a school teaches creationism, with the earth only being 5,000 years old and Jesus rode dinosaurs, etc., then they should be forced to teach the story of the flying spaghetti monster.

I would be embarrased to be associated with the Republican party because of things like this

I don't know what the Republican party in general believes. I have no problem with science being taught in school because it's all the same teaching. Evolution and the big bang theory don't diverge into different paths.

The problem with teaching religion in PUBLIC SCHOOL is that there are so many different religions. If you teach creation from a christian perspective, muslims may have problems. If creation is taught from a muslim perspective, buddhists may have problems. I don't see how in a country where freedom of religion is practiced that can be written into the public curriculum.

The place for that stuff is private school/seminary/bible study/etc.

I'd like to see a teacher of mine try it, I'd embarrass them if they did :P.

Teaching creationism in schools is stupid. The federal government controlling education is also stupid....SAT scores have gone down since the creation of the department of education not up. KC_Hokie

The reason SAT scores have gone down has nothing to do with education, I can testify to that. It has to do with the fact that more people than ever take it now. It used to be only averageish to above average kids took it. Now all but the stupidest of kids take it, so it naturally brings the average down.

*nods*

It's what God wants.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/creationism

Education is the new Republican enemy. No more free thinking and empirical evidence, just the Bible, rumour and Fox News

Not content with merely waging war on women, Republicans are targeting another enemy of conservatism: education. New Hampshire state Republican Jerry Bergevin recently railed against science and the atheist eggheads who call themselves teachers: "I want the full portrait of evolution and the people who came up with the ideas to be presented. It's a world view and it's godless."

While New Hampshire didn't end up passing Bergevin's anti-evolution law, Tennessee did. Its new statute allows ? even encourages ? teachers to express scepticism toward, as the bill says, "scientific subjects, including, but not limited to, biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, and global warming". The American Institute of Biological Sciences, the National Earth Science Teachers Association, the National Centre for Science Education and all eight of Tennessee's members of the National Academy of Sciences oppose the new law, calling it "miseducation". But what do these no 'count heathen elitist PhD Darwinites know? The government of Tennessee wants you to know they ain't kin to no monkey.

And there you have it: the conservative attitude to knowledge. No reading, no exploration, no empirical evidence, no learning, no free play of ideas. Just rumour, Fox News and the Bible. Why think? It'll just make you unhappy.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/creationism

Education is the new Republican enemy. No more free thinking and empirical evidence, just the Bible, rumour and Fox News

Not content with merely waging war on women, Republicans are targeting another enemy of conservatism: education. New Hampshire state Republican Jerry Bergevin recently railed against science and the atheist eggheads who call themselves teachers: "I want the full portrait of evolution and the people who came up with the ideas to be presented. It's a world view and it's godless."

While New Hampshire didn't end up passing Bergevin's anti-evolution law, Tennessee did. Its new statute allows ? even encourages ? teachers to express scepticism toward, as the bill says, "scientific subjects, including, but not limited to, biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, and global warming". The American Institute of Biological Sciences, the National Earth Science Teachers Association, the National Centre for Science Education and all eight of Tennessee's members of the National Academy of Sciences oppose the new law, calling it "miseducation". But what do these no 'count heathen elitist PhD Darwinites know? The government of Tennessee wants you to know they ain't kin to no monkey.

And there you have it: the conservative attitude to knowledge. No reading, no exploration, no empirical evidence, no learning, no free play of ideas. Just rumour, Fox News and the Bible. Why think? It'll just make you unhappy.

PS3FanMan4Life

99.9% of Gamespot, and 95% humanity refuse to use even a shred of objectivity.

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Examples? Barbariser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuhNa0V09E&feature=relmfu

Let's not pretend the right has any kind of monopoly on ignorance mongering, or the discouraging of free or unconventional thought.

Yes because "the left" is some kind of hive mind that reacts uniformly to things. Clearly if one member of "the left" wants to suppress art on the grounds of offensiveness, this proves that the entire "organization" has the same opinion on the matter. Also, we mustn't delude ourselves that a school board decision that got retracted anyway is in any way less significant than state legislation in terms of the scale of information manipulation. :roll:

umm...so what you just said completely applies to the right as well...as well as most religious people just because there is one or a few bad eggs doesn't mean they all are bad...

[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]It's about the ignorance mongering being pushed by both sides.Zeviander

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Yes because "the left" is some kind of hive mind that reacts uniformly to things. Clearly if one member of "the left" wants to suppress art on the grounds of offensiveness, this proves that the entire "organization" has the same opinion on the matter. Also, we mustn't delude ourselves that a school board decision that got retracted anyway is in any way less significant than state legislation in terms of the scale of information manipulation. :roll:

WilliamRLBaker

umm...so what you just said completely applies to the right as well...as well as most religious people just because there is one or a few bad eggs doesn't mean they all are bad...

This is completely irrelevant considering that he clearly claimed that "the left" demonizes "anything outsided of leftist doctrine", whereas I have never made an equivalent statement or implied anything of the sort. Don't waste your time arguing against points that I never made.

lol I used to respect you the fact you just actually made the statement that translates there are no leftist democratic nutjobs is astounding, WilliamRLBaker