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#1 matthayter700
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A couple years ago, in another thread, I pointed out to Dracargen that much of what is said about potheads is also said about gamers. More specifically, though slightly paraphrased...

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"Well, we can probably live without gaming in our everyday lives, too, should gaming then be banned?

And this, Dracargen, is where we get into some irony. This is a gaming forum we're talking about this on, and . . . Much of what is often said about marijuana users (such as that they're lazy or stupid) is often said about gamers. You even mention caffeine as something to ban, but I'm inclined to think I was almost as addicted to Sim City 3000 as I was to coffee last semester... or maybe even more so. In grade 12, someone sitting at my table in Biology supposedly got very little sleep because he stayed up so late playing World of Warcraft, said he'd rather stay home playing it than go to his prom, etc . . . and someone else who sat at the same table told me that he was actually pretty normal before he started playing World of Warcraft, and that it just "consumed" him. Sound familiar?"

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I later messaged Dracargen about this, he was saying things like "at least it's not like gamers beat each other up for their gaming fix" and I pointed to the PS3 launch riots... he said it was just irresponsible people doing irresponsible things for their own reasons. But if that logic is fine when it comes to gaming, why can't it be applied to subjects like cannabis?

EDIT: And no, this is not just about pot. This is about, generally speaking, when arguments used on this site resemble the logic behind ignorance about video games as a hobby.

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#2 kipohippo021
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im all for drugs, but they are not the same. Gaming is like watching tv but with more concentration. drugs are a body experience. You dont just sit back and enjoy drugs, you are alot more into it. But the addiction thing is the same exept for stuff like crack and heroin, ect.
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#3 Oleg_Huzwog
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Behavioral addiction and chemical addiction are in no way related. There's no comparison.

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#4 matthayter700
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Behavioral addiction and chemical addiction are in no way related. There's no comparison.

Oleg_Huzwog

The comparison was more so about attitudes towards each than about each in and of themselves. Comparing the two directly may be a false equivalence, but my point was more so that there might be some underlying similarity in reasoning between each.

EDIT: Also, marijuana "addiction" is a primarily behavioural one as well. As far as I am aware marijuana is not chemically addictive...

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#5 CRS98
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My brother once said that because I'm a gamer, I should be smoking pot, claiming that gamers usually smoke pot. I don't get it.
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#6 kipohippo021
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Behavioral addiction and chemical addiction are in no way related. There's no comparison.

Oleg_Huzwog
the things people will do because of that addiction are. When compared to alot of hardcore gaming and doing some drug that has no addictive chemical, the addiction is usually similar. You want more.
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#7 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="matthayter700"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Behavioral addiction and chemical addiction are in no way related. There's no comparison.

The comparison was more so about attitudes towards each than about each in and of themselves. Comparing the two directly may be a false equivalence, but my point was more so that there might be some underlying similarity in reasoning between each.

EDIT: Also, marijuana "addiction" is a primarily behavioural one as well. As far as I am aware marijuana is not chemically addictive...

its not chemically addictive, trust me, its just like being addicted to bottled water or juice.
My brother once said that because I'm a gamer, I should be smoking pot, claiming that gamers usually smoke pot. I don't get it.CRS98
What?
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[QUOTE="CRS98"]My brother once said that because I'm a gamer, I should be smoking pot, claiming that gamers usually smoke pot. I don't get it.kipohippo021
What?

My first reaction as well.
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I guess it's kind of true about marijuana, because, like games, it doesn't technically have any addictive properties, because you won't go into withdrawl if you don't have it in your system, but you can enjoy the chemicals released in your brain and make you want to pick these activities over other things.

'Harder' drugs are different though. They actually have chemically addictive properties and can damage your body (More noticeably and faster than any side effects of not moving/staring at a screen, or inhalation of smoke...)

I guess things in moderation is what you need to do if you're going to play/use them, same goes for caffeine and alchohol.

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#10 matthayter700
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My brother once said that because I'm a gamer, I should be smoking pot, claiming that gamers usually smoke pot. I don't get it.CRS98
That is not the kind of thing I am taking about though. I am talking about how much of what is said about pot smoking is said about gamers, and even that was only used as an example of the general subject of people on a gaming site looking at what is wrong with what people say about games and asking themselves if they make similar mistakes.
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 .CRS98
Sir...tell me of your time machine.
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#12 Link334
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not really. lol.
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not really. lol.Link334
Not really what? o.o
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[QUOTE="CRS98"] .AirGuitarist87
Sir...tell me of your time machine.

I'll give you some back story, considering I can't use it for awhile. It was only a few months ago when I got my time machine. It was also a teleporter, so wouldn't just go back in time to the same location as my time machine, but in the past. Shining silver and black, the Chronosuit, as they called, allowed me to survive in any conditions comfortably (oxygen needs, controlled temperature, etc.), and allowed me to communicate with anybody in the past, via a translator (it was only recently that I got an advanced one where brainwave interpretation was used). The time machine, or Chrono Device, had the power to create new universes, copying the current one, allowing me to go to this universe's past events. The maximum range is from 1 year ago to theoretically the beginning of time. Because they are separate, any changes to the past are isolated to that one universe.
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'Harder' drugs are different though. They actually have chemically addictive properties and can damage your body (More noticeably and faster than any side effects of not moving/staring at a screen, or inhalation of smoke...)IcyToasters
Yeah, but the person I used that argument on was also opposed to legalization of softer drugs like marijuana.
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#16 matthayter700
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Behavioral addiction and chemical addiction are in no way related. There's no comparison.

kipohippo021
the things people will do because of that addiction are. When compared to alot of hardcore gaming and doing some drug that has no addictive chemical, the addiction is usually similar. You want more.

The point isn't even so much about how "gaming is also addictive" as how the reasoning behind Dracargen's pothead stereotypes seems to resemble the reasoning behind gamer stereotypes.
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[QUOTE="IcyToasters"]'Harder' drugs are different though. They actually have chemically addictive properties and can damage your body (More noticeably and faster than any side effects of not moving/staring at a screen, or inhalation of smoke...)matthayter700
Yeah, but the person I used that argument on was also opposed to legalization of softer drugs like marijuana.


Eh, as long as they're aware of side effects, lackthereof, etc. and accepts that in the discussion (Even if their reasoning is just a "Yeah, but what if we don't know everything about ____ substance" to keep it illegal), at least arguing about a "lesser evil" in drugs should be reasonable.

But if they refuse to acknowledge facts about the topic at hand, there's not much of a point in arguing with them. :P

(I didn't read much of the thread this thread is based from though, so I'm not sure how it went down)

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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="CRS98"] .CRS98
Sir...tell me of your time machine.

I'll give you some back story, considering I can't use it for awhile. It was only a few months ago when I got my time machine. It was also a teleporter, so wouldn't just go back in time to the same location as my time machine, but in the past. Shining silver and black, the Chronosuit, as they called, allowed me to survive in any conditions comfortably (oxygen needs, controlled temperature, etc.), and allowed me to communicate with anybody in the past, via a translator (it was only recently that I got an advanced one where brainwave interpretation was used). The time machine, or Chrono Device, had the power to create new universes, copying the current one, allowing me to go to this universe's past events. The maximum range is from 1 year ago to theoretically the beginning of time. Because they are separate, any changes to the past are isolated to that one universe.

What the **** does that have to do with anything
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[QUOTE="johnnyblaze92"][QUOTE="CRS98"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Sir...tell me of your time machine.

I'll give you some back story, considering I can't use it for awhile. It was only a few months ago when I got my time machine. It was also a teleporter, so wouldn't just go back in time to the same location as my time machine, but in the past. Shining silver and black, the Chronosuit, as they called, allowed me to survive in any conditions comfortably (oxygen needs, controlled temperature, etc.), and allowed me to communicate with anybody in the past, via a translator (it was only recently that I got an advanced one where brainwave interpretation was used). The time machine, or Chrono Device, had the power to create new universes, copying the current one, allowing me to go to this universe's past events. The maximum range is from 1 year ago to theoretically the beginning of time. Because they are separate, any changes to the past are isolated to that one universe.

What the **** does that have to do with anything

Do you want to go back in time and unwittingly catch the bubonic plague? Or find yourself at the wrong end of a Vikings mace without being able to ask him to stop? This stuff is important, son. That and I disagree that drug addiction is related to gaming.
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I have lost all hope in mankind.

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I'm more interested in you remembering a 2 years old topic :|
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Highlight of that topic: JackMcSexBeard. Love that guy.
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A more credible comparison, a comparison people would take seriously would be alcohol. Because video games never cause anyone to lose their grasp of realitynor self-control. I don'trecall becoming impaired while playing video games. Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

Long ago people were high out of their minds on Cocaine and codeine. All they ever drank was coca-cola and other beverages that were loaded with codeine. Why do you think they eventually stopped? They probably came off oftheir high one day and saw they were wearing tights and dumb-ass wigs so they realized they had to stop. Plus the alcoholic beverages they had were far more alcoholic than what is offered today.

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Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

MagnumPI

That's not being high, that's being stupid and drunk.

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I lost 65 pounds smoking weed every day and playing basketball right afterwards.

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[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

bloodling

That's not being high, that's being stupid and drunk.

What's the damn difference? What you call being drunk and being high are the same thing to me since no matter what I'm under the influence of I always do stupid **** for giggles.

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#27 bloodling
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[QUOTE="bloodling"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

MagnumPI

That's not being high, that's being stupid and drunk.

What's the damn difference? What you call being drunk and being high are the same thing to me since no matter what I'm under the influence of I always do stupid **** for giggles.

I've known many cases like this when people were drunk, and none when they were high, but I guess people are different.

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That and I disagree that drug addiction is related to gaming.AirGuitarist87
I wasn't saying it was. I was saying some of the arguments against pot legalization (or at least the ones Dracargen was using) seemed to resemble arguments used to stereotype gamers, and that we, as gamers, should avoid making the same mistakes that resulted in our hobby being looked down on.
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oh god i remember dracargen, i did not like that guy

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Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

MagnumPI

that just makes someone an @$$hole. if someone is willing to throw a brick through someone's window while they are high, i guarantee you they'll do it when they are sober.

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I've never heard someone say gaming causes you to want to eat more, causes accute paranoia, or harms your memory. :|

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[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

needled24-7

that just makes someone an @$$hole. if someone is willing to throw a brick through someone's window while they are high, i guarantee you they'll do it when they are sober.

Might be true when talking about marijuana. Harder drugs and hallucinogens? I think thats a different case.

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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Sure it's funny to throw a brick through someones window when you're high, but that's because you're high and when you're high you don'tconsider the consequences. The fact that you know that guy is gonna be pissedthe momentthat brick smashes through his window is so hilarious it's worth it, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGH.

Pixel-Pirate

that just makes someone an @$$hole. if someone is willing to throw a brick through someone's window while they are high, i guarantee you they'll do it when they are sober.

Might be true when talking about marijuana. Harder drugs and hallucinogens? I think thats a different case.

yeah, harder drugs i would think would cause people to do some weird stuff. i figured he was just talking about marijuana, though.

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I've never heard someone say gaming causes you to want to eat more, causes accute paranoia, or harms your memory. :|

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I was not saying it was. It is just that I saw a similarity between the particular arguments Dracargen was making and the arguments through with gamers are stereotyped. Remember, this is not just about pot; it is about any issue discussed on this site wherein a particular line if reasoning is similar to the reasoning through which our hobby is looked down on.
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#36 ImaPirate0202
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Our hobby isn't necessarily looked down upon. It's just very misunderstood.

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Whooooooaaaaa, man, I'm gettin' totally high off this Ocarina of time, maaaaaaaan...

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#38 matthayter700
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Our hobby isn't necessarily looked down upon. It's just very misunderstood.

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... ok then, the reasoning with which our hobby is misunderstood. But the point remains. *Off to edit your wording into initial post..*