The society gets the criminality it deserves.

*shock paddles the thread, giving it a second chance*TheTerribleFish

LOL

This thread needs to be more like my grandma.

Just let her die with some dignity.  And for heaven's sake, someone put her wig back on!

I think it is certainly true that society creates crime.

Such inequality exists under the globalised economy, it is this poverty that drives people to crime. In the UK, where I live, 70% of prisoners suffer from 2 or more psychological disorders whilst 70% are unemployed at the time of conviction. There is a direct link between crime and lack of spending on welfare, in the US which spends the lowest proportion of its wealth on welfare and consequently has the highest prison population in the world. Spending on education (in Britain half of the prison population has a reading age of below 11 years old), health and housing would reduce the social problems from which crime springs.

The response to crime, prison, simply does not work. It is akin to trapping an animal in a cage, it becomes angry, agitated and more reclusive and detached. Again in the UK 67% of prisoners re-offend within 2 years of release, the prisons are overcrowded. Added to this is the institutional racism of the prison system and police service, a final fact: in the UK Blacks are 6 times more likely to be jailed than their white counterparts. Some may argue this on the sickening basis of racial superiority, but yet again it is society that causes this. Alongside all the socio-economic and political problems the white working-class face there is the added burden of racism which provides a scapegoat for politicians and diverts attention away from their own failings.

It seems from the responses on offer that your thread will fade into obscurity, a shame considering it actually addresses a topic of worth.

I will have to disagree, for the one reason that if you look at Florida, it's more or less crime-free. Sure, that's an exaggeration but in comparison to other places, the police have a heck of an easy time. 78% of all crime that takes place in Florida takes place during the Spring Break. Simply because the state is invaded by teens who dont know how to have a good time without vandalising something.Ninja-Vox

And may I ask the economic make-up of Florida? Are many of the residents wealthy?

I will have to disagree, for the one reason that if you look at Florida, it's more or less crime-free. Sure, that's an exaggeration but in comparison to other places, the police have a heck of an easy time. 78% of all crime that takes place in Florida takes place during the Spring Break. Simply because the state is invaded by teens who dont know how to have a good time without vandalising something.Ninja-Vox

Dude, Miami has tons of crime.

Well, I'll try CPR on it. When you have judges in Vermont giving 4 year old rapists probation you get what you deserve. But speak a racial slur to a muslim? Oh, that's 10 years buddy. Now I don't condone hate speech, but what is wrong with that picture? maheo30

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I will have to disagree, for the one reason that if you look at Florida, it's more or less crime-free. Sure, that's an exaggeration but in comparison to other places, the police have a heck of an easy time. 78% of all crime that takes place in Florida takes place during the Spring Break. Simply because the state is invaded by teens who dont know how to have a good time without vandalising something.Caviglia

And may I ask the economic make-up of Florida? Are many of the residents wealthy?

98% of people in Florida are 85 and older.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I will have to disagree, for the one reason that if you look at Florida, it's more or less crime-free. Sure, that's an exaggeration but in comparison to other places, the police have a heck of an easy time. 78% of all crime that takes place in Florida takes place during the Spring Break. Simply because the state is invaded by teens who dont know how to have a good time without vandalising something.sonicare

Dude, Miami has tons of crime.

I think it is certainly true that society creates crime.

Such inequality exists under the globalised economy, it is this poverty that drives people to crime. In the UK, where I live, 70% of prisoners suffer from 2 or more psychological disorders whilst 70% are unemployed at the time of conviction. There is a direct link between crime and lack of spending on welfare, in the US which spends the lowest proportion of its wealth on welfare and consequently has the highest prison population in the world. Spending on education (in Britain half of the prison population has a reading age of below 11 years old), health and housing would reduce the social problems from which crime springs.

The response to crime, prison, simply does not work. It is akin to trapping an animal in a cage, it becomes angry, agitated and more reclusive and detached. Again in the UK 67% of prisoners re-offend within 2 years of release, the prisons are overcrowded. Added to this is the institutional racism of the prison system and police service, a final fact: in the UK Blacks are 6 times more likely to be jailed than their white counterparts. Some may argue this on the sickening basis of racial superiority, but yet again it is society that causes this. Alongside all the socio-economic and political problems the white working-class face there is the added burden of racism which provides a scapegoat for politicians and diverts attention away from their own failings.

It seems from the responses on offer that your thread will fade into obscurity, a shame considering it actually addresses a topic of worth.

Caviglia

[QUOTE="Caviglia"]

I think it is certainly true that society creates crime.

Such inequality exists under the globalised economy, it is this poverty that drives people to crime. In the UK, where I live, 70% of prisoners suffer from 2 or more psychological disorders whilst 70% are unemployed at the time of conviction. There is a direct link between crime and lack of spending on welfare, in the US which spends the lowest proportion of its wealth on welfare and consequently has the highest prison population in the world. Spending on education (in Britain half of the prison population has a reading age of below 11 years old), health and housing would reduce the social problems from which crime springs.

The response to crime, prison, simply does not work. It is akin to trapping an animal in a cage, it becomes angry, agitated and more reclusive and detached. Again in the UK 67% of prisoners re-offend within 2 years of release, the prisons are overcrowded. Added to this is the institutional racism of the prison system and police service, a final fact: in the UK Blacks are 6 times more likely to be jailed than their white counterparts. Some may argue this on the sickening basis of racial superiority, but yet again it is society that causes this. Alongside all the socio-economic and political problems the white working-class face there is the added burden of racism which provides a scapegoat for politicians and diverts attention away from their own failings.

It seems from the responses on offer that your thread will fade into obscurity, a shame considering it actually addresses a topic of worth.

Varese_basic

The damage spreads far further than the privitised rail system and far further than the UK. These problems exist throughout the world due to the neo-liberal economic system that governs it. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'people couldn't get anywhere' but I would suspect that it has something to do with the out-of-town estates built in the 1960s and 70s. With the privitisation of public transport in the 1980s many people could not afford to travel to work in the cities and with job prospects decidedly low in these areas they were driven to a life of crime and poverty, however transport is only a very small facet of the bigger picture. 

Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?nickmag

Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?nickmag

I believe the topic creator is stating that society creates these 'few rotten eggs'. Aside from a bonafide sect of criminals most are simply victims of the system.

[QUOTE="Varese_basic"][QUOTE="Caviglia"]

I think it is certainly true that society creates crime.

Such inequality exists under the globalised economy, it is this poverty that drives people to crime. In the UK, where I live, 70% of prisoners suffer from 2 or more psychological disorders whilst 70% are unemployed at the time of conviction. There is a direct link between crime and lack of spending on welfare, in the US which spends the lowest proportion of its wealth on welfare and consequently has the highest prison population in the world. Spending on education (in Britain half of the prison population has a reading age of below 11 years old), health and housing would reduce the social problems from which crime springs.

The response to crime, prison, simply does not work. It is akin to trapping an animal in a cage, it becomes angry, agitated and more reclusive and detached. Again in the UK 67% of prisoners re-offend within 2 years of release, the prisons are overcrowded. Added to this is the institutional racism of the prison system and police service, a final fact: in the UK Blacks are 6 times more likely to be jailed than their white counterparts. Some may argue this on the sickening basis of racial superiority, but yet again it is society that causes this. Alongside all the socio-economic and political problems the white working-class face there is the added burden of racism which provides a scapegoat for politicians and diverts attention away from their own failings.

It seems from the responses on offer that your thread will fade into obscurity, a shame considering it actually addresses a topic of worth.

Caviglia

The damage spreads far further than the privitised rail system and far further than the UK. These problems exist throughout the world due to the neo-liberal economic system that governs it. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'people couldn't get anywhere' but I would suspect that it has something to do with the out-of-town estates built in the 1960s and 70s. With the privitisation of public transport in the 1980s many people could not afford to travel to work in the cities and with job prospects decidedly low in these areas they were driven to a life of crime and poverty, however transport is only a very small facet of the bigger picture. 

[QUOTE="nickmag"]Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?Caviglia

I believe the topic creator is stating that society creates these 'few rotten eggs'. Aside from a bonafide sect of criminals most are simply victims of the system.

That's a pretty ideological way of looking at things.

[QUOTE="Caviglia"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I will have to disagree, for the one reason that if you look at Florida, it's more or less crime-free. Sure, that's an exaggeration but in comparison to other places, the police have a heck of an easy time. 78% of all crime that takes place in Florida takes place during the Spring Break. Simply because the state is invaded by teens who dont know how to have a good time without vandalising something.sonicare

And may I ask the economic make-up of Florida? Are many of the residents wealthy?

98% of people in Florida are 85 and older.

Random facts aside, I would be interested to know demographics of Florida in relation to wealth. It is almost certain that the wealthy have the funds to separate themselves from the socio-economic problems that the poor are saddled with. I suspect many of the wealthy live in large homes away from the areas of danger (living on hill-tops to avoid mudslides, flooding et cetera) and surround these homes with security provisions such as fences, alarms, CCTV and so forth.

I read this: http://www.davidsmail.freeuk.com/intpub.htm sorry can't link, you can highlight and ctrl C then go to address bar and ctrl V.Varese_basic

I shall have to bookmark this for future reading, thank you.

[QUOTE="Caviglia"]

[QUOTE="nickmag"]Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?sonicare

I believe the topic creator is stating that society creates these 'few rotten eggs'. Aside from a bonafide sect of criminals most are simply victims of the system.

That's a pretty ideological way of looking at things.

What do you think are the causes of crime?

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Caviglia"]

[QUOTE="nickmag"]Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?Caviglia

I believe the topic creator is stating that society creates these 'few rotten eggs'. Aside from a bonafide sect of criminals most are simply victims of the system.

That's a pretty ideological way of looking at things.

What do you think are the causes of crime?

Well, I'll try CPR on it. When you have judges in Vermont giving 4 year old rapists probation you get what you deserve. But speak a racial slur to a muslim? Oh, that's 10 years buddy. Now I don't condone hate speech, but what is wrong with that picture? maheo30

[QUOTE="Caviglia"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Caviglia"]

[QUOTE="nickmag"]Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?TheTerribleFish

I believe the topic creator is stating that society creates these 'few rotten eggs'. Aside from a bonafide sect of criminals most are simply victims of the system.

That's a pretty ideological way of looking at things.

What do you think are the causes of crime?

I don't mean to hijack, terribly sorry.

[QUOTE="TheTerribleFish"][QUOTE="Caviglia"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Caviglia"]

[QUOTE="nickmag"]Are you trying to say that it's good that a few rotten eggs are ruining it for everyone else?Caviglia

I believe the topic creator is stating that society creates these 'few rotten eggs'. Aside from a bonafide sect of criminals most are simply victims of the system.

That's a pretty ideological way of looking at things.

What do you think are the causes of crime?

I don't mean to hijack, terribly sorry.

I will have to disagree, for the one reason that if you look at Florida, it's more or less crime-free. Sure, that's an exaggeration but in comparison to other places, the police have a heck of an easy time. 78% of all crime that takes place in Florida takes place during the Spring Break. Simply because the state is invaded by teens who dont know how to have a good time without vandalising something.Ninja-Vox