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The structure and evolution of the universe. We have extrapolative theories of the big bang that stand up to theoretical analysis. But what about 'before' that? Again, superstring/M-brane theories MIGHT eventually shed some light there, but we don't know.

what are your thoughts?

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Multiverses seems likely. It could also explain alot of mysteries within out universe such as dark matter

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This universe has a design, we Humans are a design, we are a creation, people cant seem to fvcking undestand that.....

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I once read about the "Original" universe,said to be made of light,darkness and water. But then again where did THAT come from?The one who said this theory is a religious man so he said GOD.

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I think you are a dick.
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made me laugh out loud for some reason haha! sorry TC D=

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I think you are a dick.
My thoughts.
Iszdope

Is this some kind of encrypted way to say you believe we all have a visualization of ourselves in a parallel, Spore-like universe :P ?

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A Multiverse theory would explain the origin, but we have absolutely no data from the Pre-Planck era (actually, I don't think we have any data from the Planck era, either). Best we can do is make guesses until some new evidence in the case shows up.

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[QUOTE="Iszdope"]
I think you are a dick.
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FMAB_GTO

made me laugh out loud for some reason haha! sorry TC D=

Haha yeah! i think your 1 also :lol:

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I once read about the "Original" universe,said to be made of light,darkness and water. But then again where did THAT come from?The one who said this theory is a religious man so he said GOD.FMAB_GTO

I think you need to forget what you read
The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter, which cooled to form atoms, which further cooled to form more atoms, these atoms were pulled together by gravity, which formed stars, these stars formed the heavier elements in their cores, they exploded, these giant explosion gas clouds then clumped together to form more stars/planets/solar systems/galaxies

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]I once read about the "Original" universe,said to be made of light,darkness and water. But then again where did THAT come from?The one who said this theory is a religious man so he said GOD.

I think you need to forget what you read The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter, which cooled to form atoms, which further cooled to form more atoms, these atoms were pulled together by gravity, which formed stars, these stars formed the heavier elements in their cores, they exploded, these giant explosion gas clouds then clumped together to form more stars/planets/solar systens/galaxies

*forgets* *saves* Well that summed up the whole thing for me thanks chaos. I'm really not into physics and chemistry,never was except for electronic stuff,so I suck at these stuff sadly.

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]I once read about the "Original" universe,said to be made of light,darkness and water. But then again where did THAT come from?The one who said this theory is a religious man so he said GOD.

I think you need to forget what you read The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter, which cooled to form atoms, which further cooled to form more atoms, these atoms were pulled together by gravity, which formed stars, these stars formed the heavier elements in their cores, they exploded, these giant explosion gas clouds then clumped together to form more stars/planets/solar systens/galaxies

*forgets* *saves* Well that summed up the whole thing for me thanks chaos. I'm really not into physics and chemistry,never was except for electronic stuff,so I suck at these stuff sadly.

No worries "The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter (sub-atomic particles), which cooled to form atoms," Just a minor addition

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The Big Bang theory is nothing more than a funny show on TV which I enjoy a lot. That Sheldon needs to win some type of award. Thats about where the end of where the validity of the Big Bangs existence is. Nothing more than a fantasy though up by an atheist who had a bad day and wanted to excuse Creation.

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] I think you need to forget what you read The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter, which cooled to form atoms, which further cooled to form more atoms, these atoms were pulled together by gravity, which formed stars, these stars formed the heavier elements in their cores, they exploded, these giant explosion gas clouds then clumped together to form more stars/planets/solar systens/galaxies

*forgets* *saves* Well that summed up the whole thing for me thanks chaos. I'm really not into physics and chemistry,never was except for electronic stuff,so I suck at these stuff sadly.

No worries "The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter (sub-atomic particles), which cooled to form atoms," Just a minor addition

are sub-atomic thingies protons,neutrons,electrons?

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#18 chaoscougar1

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The Big Bang theory is nothing more than a funny show on TV which I enjoy a lot. That Sheldon needs to win some type of award. Thats about where the end of where the validity of the Big Bangs existence is. Nothing more than a fantasy though up by an atheist who had a bad day and wanted to excuse Creation.
sintygypsy

>bbwwoman >GrayF0X786 >sintygypsy Guessing they are all the same person attempting to troll

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This universe has a design, we Humans are a design, we are a creation, people cant seem to fvcking undestand that.....
GrayF0X786

what evidence do you have for your position?

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#20 chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] *forgets* *saves* Well that summed up the whole thing for me thanks chaos. I'm really not into physics and chemistry,never was except for electronic stuff,so I suck at these stuff sadly.

No worries "The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter (sub-atomic particles), which cooled to form atoms," Just a minor addition

are sub-atomic thingies protons,neutrons,electrons?

Yes Neutrons and protons are composite particles Electrons are elementary particles

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The Big Bang theory is nothing more than a funny show on TV which I enjoy a lot. That Sheldon needs to win some type of award. Thats about where the end of where the validity of the Big Bangs existence is. Nothing more than a fantasy though up by an atheist who had a bad day and wanted to excuse Creation.
sintygypsy

What! The big bang was thought out by a catholic priest. The big bang actually in a way points away from a godless universe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

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The structure and evolution of the universe. We have extrapolative theories of the big bang that stand up to theoretical analysis. But what about 'before' that? Again, superstring/M-brane theories MIGHT eventually shed some light there, but we don't know.
what are your thoughts?
bbwwoman

A wizard did it.

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] No worries "The "Original" universe was pure energy, which converted into matter (sub-atomic particles), which cooled to form atoms," Just a minor addition

are sub-atomic thingies protons,neutrons,electrons?

Yes Neutrons and protons are composite particles Electrons are elementary particles

oh i see,and then they somehow untied with each others and formed a complete atom and so after billions of years this universe is like this. the gravity that pulled these atoms together also came from the original source?aka pure energy?

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#24 chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] are sub-atomic thingies protons,neutrons,electrons?

Yes Neutrons and protons are composite particles Electrons are elementary particles

oh i see,and then they somehow untied with each others and formed a complete atom and so after billions of years this universe is like this. the gravity that pulled these atoms together also came from the original source?aka pure energy?

Everything you see around you was at a single point in spacetime E=Mc^2 (Matter = Energy) As it expanded and cooled it particles smashed into eachother and stuck together I don't think gravity had much to do with atoms forming, because 1-We don't understand how gravity works on a quantum level and 2-atoms are held together by the strong force Every atom that makes up our solar system comes from those primordial stars that created the first heavier elements (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen) We are star dust

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Yes Neutrons and protons are composite particles Electrons are elementary particles

oh i see,and then they somehow untied with each others and formed a complete atom and so after billions of years this universe is like this. the gravity that pulled these atoms together also came from the original source?aka pure energy?

Everything you see around you was at a single point in spacetime E=Mc^2 (Matter = Energy) As it expanded and cooled it particles smashed into eachother and stuck together I don't think gravity had much to do with atoms forming, because 1-We don't understand how gravity works on a quantum level and 2-atoms are held together by the strong force Every atom that makes up our solar system comes from those primordial stars that created the first heavier elements (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen) We are star dust

I see...well thanks for these valuable information,in my school we learned little about his thing,we only know that the universe started with the big bang which is an explosion somewhere and sometime in space. have a nice day mate ;D [spoiler] they say mate in AU right? [/spoiler]

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#26 chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] oh i see,and then they somehow untied with each others and formed a complete atom and so after billions of years this universe is like this. the gravity that pulled these atoms together also came from the original source?aka pure energy?

Everything you see around you was at a single point in spacetime E=Mc^2 (Matter = Energy) As it expanded and cooled it particles smashed into eachother and stuck together I don't think gravity had much to do with atoms forming, because 1-We don't understand how gravity works on a quantum level and 2-atoms are held together by the strong force Every atom that makes up our solar system comes from those primordial stars that created the first heavier elements (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen) We are star dust

I see...well thanks for these valuable information,in my school we learned little about his thing,we only know that the universe started with the big bang which is an explosion somewhere and sometime in space. have a nice day mate ;D [spoiler] they say mate in AU right? [/spoiler]

Because all matter and energy was at a single point, the big bang happened everywhere...if you can wrap your head around that haha About 13.7 billion years ago We do indeed =D

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Everything you see around you was at a single point in spacetime E=Mc^2 (Matter = Energy) As it expanded and cooled it particles smashed into eachother and stuck together I don't think gravity had much to do with atoms forming, because 1-We don't understand how gravity works on a quantum level and 2-atoms are held together by the strong force Every atom that makes up our solar system comes from those primordial stars that created the first heavier elements (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen) We are star dust

I see...well thanks for these valuable information,in my school we learned little about his thing,we only know that the universe started with the big bang which is an explosion somewhere and sometime in space. have a nice day mate ;D [spoiler] they say mate in AU right? [/spoiler]

Because all matter and energy was at a single point, the big bang happened everywhere...if you can wrap your head around that haha About 13.7 billion years ago We do indeed =D

Still does this answer the TC's question?Which is I think what was before?You know before all of this energy-atom-boom thingie. I figure you'll answer no one knows......mate!

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Look up the Uncertainty principle.

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#29 chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I see...well thanks for these valuable information,in my school we learned little about his thing,we only know that the universe started with the big bang which is an explosion somewhere and sometime in space. have a nice day mate ;D [spoiler] they say mate in AU right? [/spoiler]

Because all matter and energy was at a single point, the big bang happened everywhere...if you can wrap your head around that haha About 13.7 billion years ago We do indeed =D

Still does this answer the TC's question?Which is I think what was before?You know before all of this energy-atom-boom thingie. I figure you'll answer no one knows......mate!

It is impossible to know what was there/happened before time and space existed One can only theorise

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#30 Funky_Llama

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I see...well thanks for these valuable information,in my school we learned little about his thing,we only know that the universe started with the big bang which is an explosion somewhere and sometime in space. have a nice day mate ;D [spoiler] they say mate in AU right? [/spoiler]

Because all matter and energy was at a single point, the big bang happened everywhere...if you can wrap your head around that haha About 13.7 billion years ago We do indeed =D

Still does this answer the TC's question?Which is I think what was before?You know before all of this energy-atom-boom thingie. I figure you'll answer no one knows......mate!

Well, since time is a dimension of the universe, asking what is 'before' it makes no more sense then asking what is 'left' of it; with time beginning at the big bang, there is no 'before the universe'

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#31 Funky_Llama

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Look up the Uncertainty principle.dramaybaz

what is the relevance of this

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] It is impossible to know what was there/happened before time and space existed One can only theorise

YUP!

Well, since time is a dimension of the universe, asking what is 'before' it makes no more sense then asking what is 'left' of it; with time beginning at the big bang, there is no 'before the universe'Funky_Llama

OK I got it,so time started with the Big bang,that's why there is no "before" it. You two know your stuff eh :P

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my theory, the big bang was an enormous eruption of a super massive black hole. Recently a black hole with at least 21 billion solar masses have been confirmed, The black hole the universe originated from could be at least 1 Decillion, thats 1 x 10^33 and if 30% of that was blown out into space, that would be enough mass to create stars, galaxies and other black holes.

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Because all matter and energy was at a single point, the big bang happened everywhere...if you can wrap your head around that haha About 13.7 billion years ago We do indeed =Dchaoscougar1

Still does this answer the TC's question?Which is I think what was before?You know before all of this energy-atom-boom thingie. I figure you'll answer no one knows......mate!

It is impossible to know what was there/happened before time and space existed One can only theorise

I once read somewhere that it doesn't make sense to ask what existed before the big-bang because there was no before, time started at the big bang!

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#35 chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] Still does this answer the TC's question?Which is I think what was before?You know before all of this energy-atom-boom thingie. I figure you'll answer no one knows......mate!nunovlopes

It is impossible to know what was there/happened before time and space existed One can only theorise

I once read somewhere that it doesn't make sense to ask what existed before the big-bang because there was no before, time started at the big bang!

That's why I said "before time and space existed" :P

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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] It is impossible to know what was there/happened before time and space existed One can only theorisechaoscougar1

I once read somewhere that it doesn't make sense to ask what existed before the big-bang because there was no before, time started at the big bang!

That's why I said "before time and space existed" :P

sure Big Bang is a great show but were things so boring beforehand that time actually stopped?

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The Big Bang theory is nothing more than a funny show on TV which I enjoy a lot. That Sheldon needs to win some type of award. Thats about where the end of where the validity of the Big Bangs existence is. Nothing more than a fantasy though up by an atheist who had a bad day and wanted to excuse Creation.
sintygypsy

Actually numbnuts the "Big Bang" theory was developed by a Catholic priest.

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[QUOTE="sintygypsy"]
The Big Bang theory is nothing more than a funny show on TV which I enjoy a lot. That Sheldon needs to win some type of award. Thats about where the end of where the validity of the Big Bangs existence is. Nothing more than a fantasy though up by an atheist who had a bad day and wanted to excuse Creation.
worlock77

Actually numbnuts the "Big Bang" theory was developed by a Catholic priest.

Just because the originator was a pedaphile doesn't mean we should disregard the theory.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="sintygypsy"]
The Big Bang theory is nothing more than a funny show on TV which I enjoy a lot. That Sheldon needs to win some type of award. Thats about where the end of where the validity of the Big Bangs existence is. Nothing more than a fantasy though up by an atheist who had a bad day and wanted to excuse Creation.
tenaka2

Actually numbnuts the "Big Bang" theory was developed by a Catholic priest.

Just because the originator was a pedaphile doesn't mean we should disregard the theory.

*yawn*

Poor trolling is poor.

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I think you are a dick.
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Iszdope

a black dick as well. cause he faps to bbw. Geddit?

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Lee Smolin's idea about multiverses being subject to Darwinian natural selection and those that have a propensity to form black holes survive (and when a black hole becomes massive enough, it forms into a new universe through a big bang event; universal offspring) is an incredibly fascinating hypothesis for me.

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#43 foxhound_fox

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what is the relevance of thisFunky_Llama

Considering he didn't even credit Heisenberg makes me think it had no relevance at all.

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#44 foxhound_fox

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] That's why I said "before time and space existed" :P

I'm almost certain that neither are necessary in quantum mechanics. :?

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#45 Funky_Llama

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] That's why I said "before time and space existed" :P

I'm almost certain that neither are necessary in quantum mechanics. :?

wait - that time and space aren't necessary in quantum mechanics?

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I see...well thanks for these valuable information,in my school we learned little about his thing,we only know that the universe started with the big bang which is an explosion somewhere and sometime in space. have a nice day mate ;D [spoiler] they say mate in AU right? [/spoiler]

Because all matter and energy was at a single point, the big bang happened everywhere...if you can wrap your head around that haha About 13.7 billion years ago We do indeed =D

Still does this answer the TC's question?Which is I think what was before?You know before all of this energy-atom-boom thingie. I figure you'll answer no one knows......mate!

Anything prior to the big bang theory is out of the realm of todays science. At the end of the day we don't know.

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#47 chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] That's why I said "before time and space existed" :P

I'm almost certain that neither are necessary in quantum mechanics. :?

Wut?

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
This universe has a design, we Humans are a design, we are a creation, people cant seem to fvcking undestand that.....
Guybrush_3

what evidence do you have for your position?

Myself.

I was crafted
by vampires
from heaven.

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[QUOTE="Iszdope"]
I think you are a dick.
My thoughts.
Nude_Dude

a black dick as well. cause he faps to bbw. Geddit?

:lol: I laughed so hard at that.

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I heard someone explain it like:

we thought our own planet was the center of the universe we discovered that our planet was one of many planets in our solar system in orbit of a star then our star was discovered to be a star among hundreds of billions of other stars in our galaxy the universe was thought to be limited to the Milky Way until we discovered our galaxy was just one among a sky of hundreds of billions of other galaxies and we came to believe everything came from a Big Bang event... well, is it any stretch to believe that our Big Bang isn't just an isolated event?

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