The surge is working links added

There is constant progress in Iraq thanks to the surge. Who is happy about that?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03202007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/why_its_working_____opedcolumnists_gordon_cucullu.htm?page=0

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070731/NEWS04/707310336/1007/NEWS

lower death toll

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-07-27-troops-deaths_N.htm

:| wow i hope you were kidding but if you weren't then i will kill myselfSOTE

:| wow i hope you were kidding but if you weren't then i will kill myselfSOTE

I won't give you a link to a weapon armory. *but really wants to*

The surge IS working, a little, but there still needs to be more men over there and less government BS to get the job complete.

[QUOTE="SOTE"]:| wow i hope you were kidding but if you weren't then i will kill myselfflavort

any proof of this progress? no? maybe?

Due to your overwhelming evidence and wonderful presentation, I am now convinced that the surge is indeed working.jim_shorts

:lol:

Due to your overwhelming evidence and wonderful presentation, I am now convinced that the surge is indeed working.jim_shorts

Same here...you have convinced me!!!!

Due to your overwhelming evidence and wonderful presentation, I am now convinced that the surge is indeed working.jim_shorts

There is constant progress in Iraq thanks to the surge. Who is happy about that?flavort

Examples?

The New York Times ran this article. The actual report won't come until September, though, so don't be too hasty in judgements for or against the surge.

Something else that should be noted is the concern that the Democratic party has that the report in September will be positive. I don't have a link to the broadcast, but I did find a Republican perspective on the statements here.

Jesus is happy about it.SpaceMoose

that adds so much to the conversation, I am proud of you.

Due to your overwhelming evidence and wonderful presentation, I am now convinced that the surge is indeed working.jim_shorts

Links are added so you will be convinced

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="SOTE"]:| wow i hope you were kidding but if you weren't then i will kill myselfSOTE

any proof of this progress? no? maybe?

Surge is back?

Damn that drink was good..

that adds so much to the conversation, I am proud of you.

flavort

But I can only assume that you agree with me: From what you know of Jesus, he is happy about it.

Nothing really convincing. Third link is for July only, First link cherry picks facts, and second link is one person's opinion.jim_shorts

not convincing, progress is happening and you just say your not convinced of it? There is progress. I am wondering also if I should send the August link also.

[QUOTE="flavort"]

that adds so much to the conversation, I am proud of you.

SpaceMoose

But I can only assume that you agree with me: From what you know of Jesus, he is happy about it.

What is your problem? What does Jesus have to do with any of this? I know you just want to mock me but it not all that funny. You really go out of your way to insult dont you?

What is your problem? What does Jesus have to do with any of this? I know you just want to mock me but it not all that funny. You really go out of your way to insult dont you?

flavort

I just want to know if you believe that your politcal views are consistent with your claimed religious beliefs. That's all.

[QUOTE="SOTE"]:| wow i hope you were kidding but if you weren't then i will kill myselfM1Hunter66

I won't give you a link to a weapon armory. *but really wants to*

The surge IS working, a little, but there still needs to be more men over there and less government BS to get the job complete.

I think we should send 300,000 troops

[QUOTE="flavort"]

What is your problem? What does Jesus have to do with any of this? I know you just want to mock me but it not all that funny. You really go out of your way to insult dont you?

SpaceMoose

I just want to know if you believe that your politcal views are consistent with your claimed religious beliefs. That's all.

Surge is back?

Damn that drink was good..

WildLIkeChild

Indeed, a damn fine drink.

what do religious beliefs have to do with fighting a war:?mig_killer2

If you really believe in a religion, it applies to every aspect of your life, and I brought it up because of his sig.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] what do religious beliefs have to do with fighting a war:?SpaceMoose

If you really believe in a religion, it applies to every aspect of your life, and I brought it up because of his sig.

I dont get itmig_killer2

Right in his signature, it says, "The Christian Union," suggesting that Christianity is pretty important to him. I want to know if he believes his political views are in line with his religious ones.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] I dont get itSpaceMoose

Right in his signature, it says, "The Christian Union," suggesting that Christianity is pretty important to him. I want to know if he believes his political views are in line with his religious ones.

However curious you are, your comments are way off topic, and his religion does not matter. He is perfectly capable of posting about winning or losing the war regardless of beliefs.

Despite it being off topic, it is quite possible for a Christian to support the war in Iraq without being a hypocrite. Most traditional Protestant groups in the US are very supportive of fighting in order to protect (as in fighting terrorist groups). About the only traditional Christian groups that I know of who don't traditionally support such action are Quakers andAnabaptist (Omish and Mennonites). And if you consider this hypocrisy, go study the Old Testament.

However curious you are, your comments are way off topic, and his religion does not matter. He is perfectly capable of posting about winning or losing the war regardless of beliefs.

drgrady

How can someone say that they believe in a religion, but then selectively decide that it "does not matter" when dealing with certain topics that clearly involve moral issues?

Despite it being off topic, it is quite possible for a Christian to support the war in Iraq without being a hypocrite. Most traditional Protestant groups in the US are very supportive of fighting in order to protect (as in fighting terrorist groups). About the only traditional Christian groups that I know of who don't traditionally support such action are Quakers andAnabaptist (Omish and Mennonites). And if you consider this hypocrisy, go study the Old Testament.

drgrady

I'm not interested in what this group or that group says. I thought Christianity was supposed to be based on the Biblical teachings of Jesus. Am I wrong?

Look, if I had "Vegetarian Union," in my signature, and I came in here and started a thread about how delicious steak is, wouldn't that look a little bit stupid? Now I used that because it's a blatantly obvious contradiction, just to illustrate the point. This issue may not be so clear-cut, but the underlying principle is similar.

Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise? And are we talking about the same media that constantly beat the Anthrax scare drum even before there were any Anthrax attacks, almost in some sort of bizzarre, short-lived, self-fulfilling prophecy?

Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Not this type of war.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.SpaceMoose

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise?

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise?

I agree that we are trying to do a lot to help them, and I think the soldiers really do care. With that said, the things you listed haven't been fully realized. Many, if not most, sections of the country do not have regularly running water and electricity. Cellphones don't compensate for all of the dead, either.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.xXBuffJeffXx

Not this type of war.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.xXBuffJeffXx

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise?

I agree that we are trying to do a lot to help them, and I think the soldiers really do care. With that said, the things you listed haven't been fully realized. Many, if not most, sections of the country do not have regularly running water and electricity. Cellphones don't compensate for all of the dead, either.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Not this type of war.

Look beyond the death toll. It's a very bad indicator of success. Post-Vietnam introspection on the part of the Army and Marine Corps. found that. We denied that we were facing a grassroots insurgency from the beginning. The initial insurgent attacks were described as being carried out by "a few dead enders and criminals." The insurgents have held the initiative since this thing started.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise?

I agree that we are trying to do a lot to help them, and I think the soldiers really do care. With that said, the things you listed haven't been fully realized. Many, if not most, sections of the country do not have regularly running water and electricity. Cellphones don't compensate for all of the dead, either.

I guess we agree on the need for way more troops than the surge has provided then, right?

[QUOTE="M1Hunter66"]

[QUOTE="SOTE"]:| wow i hope you were kidding but if you weren't then i will kill myselfmig_killer2

I won't give you a link to a weapon armory. *but really wants to*

The surge IS working, a little, but there still needs to be more men over there and less government BS to get the job complete.

I think we should send 300,000 troops

We need 500,000 minimum. Good things are happening in Iraq that you never hear about, but we are still getting killed. Granted, you can never stop casualties in warfare, you can make their deaths mean something by accomplishing the mission. More men, more equipment, less politics.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.xXBuffJeffXx

Not this type of war.

Look beyond the death toll. It's a very bad indicator of success. Post-Vietnam introspection on the part of the Army and Marine Corps. found that. We denied that we were facing a grassroots insurgency from the beginning. The initial insurgent attacks were described as being carried out by "a few dead enders and criminals." The insurgents have held the initiative since this thing started.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.xXBuffJeffXx

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise?

I agree that we are trying to do a lot to help them, and I think the soldiers really do care. With that said, the things you listed haven't been fully realized. Many, if not most, sections of the country do not have regularly running water and electricity. Cellphones don't compensate for all of the dead, either.

I guess we agree on the need for way more troops than the surge has provided then, right?

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Not this type of war.

Look beyond the death toll. It's a very bad indicator of success. Post-Vietnam introspection on the part of the Army and Marine Corps. found that. We denied that we were facing a grassroots insurgency from the beginning. The initial insurgent attacks were described as being carried out by "a few dead enders and criminals." The insurgents have held the initiative since this thing started.

We still need to win the populace over. As long as we don't have them they will continue to sustain the insurgency no matter how many of the enemy we kill.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.UrbanSpartan125

Oh goodie. All the usual right-wing posters are showing up. Party time.

Would you mind telling me WHY "the media" would like us to think otherwise?

I agree that we are trying to do a lot to help them, and I think the soldiers really do care. With that said, the things you listed haven't been fully realized. Many, if not most, sections of the country do not have regularly running water and electricity. Cellphones don't compensate for all of the dead, either.

I guess we agree on the need for way more troops than the surge has provided then, right?

I agree with you there. If we would have had a clear strategy in place at the end of "major hostilities" and had enough troops to "freeze" the situation and lock the borders down, I think we wouldn't be where we are today.

By the way, are you still planning on joining the Marines?

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Ok course it is working, although the media would like you to think otherwise, our Generals and Commaders usually know what they are doing when it comes to war.xXBuffJeffXx

Not this type of war.

Look beyond the death toll. It's a very bad indicator of success. Post-Vietnam introspection on the part of the Army and Marine Corps. found that. We denied that we were facing a grassroots insurgency from the beginning. The initial insurgent attacks were described as being carried out by "a few dead enders and criminals." The insurgents have held the initiative since this thing started.

We still need to win the populace over. As long as we don't have them they will continue to sustain the insurgency no matter how many of the enemy we kill.