The US Air Force should be reintegrated with the US Army

The more than half a million Airmen contribute their fair share of war fighting, but when it comes down to it, they are more of an extension of other services, especially the Army, when it comes to their overall mission. What I mean is: Air Force:Army::Marines:Navy. Roll most of Aerial and Cyber Warfare into the Army the rest what's left of the two plus Space Warfare into the Navy.

It would eliminate a lot of the redundant positions/programs and enhance both the budgets and force strength of the Army and the Navy.

Save Money, Do More lol

That's how it started out... I assume they changed it for a reason.

Edit: Oh, saw the "re". Sorry. :P

yeah, sadly it's true that the marines are basically a part of the Navy. Thankfully, they are the most badass part of it.

That might be a skewed view from me, since I intend on becoming one though.

It has to be said though that the different branches have differing leadership views as well.

yeah, sadly it's true that the marines are basically a part of the Navy. Thankfully, they are the most badass part of it.

That might be a skewed view from me, since I intend on becoming one though.

strategyking92

The more than half a million Airmen contribute their fair share of war fighting, but when it comes down to it, they are more of an extension of other services, especially the Army, when it comes to their overall mission. What I mean is: Air Force:Army::Marines:Navy. Roll most of Aerial and Cyber Warfare into the Army the rest what's left of the two plus Space Warfare into the Navy.

It would eliminate a lot of the redundant positions/programs and enhance both the budgets and force strength of the Army and the Navy.

Save Money, Do More lol

Ultimas_Blade

There are specialties that the army don't have which the AF provides. Besides, there already are a number of AF personnel attached to army units.

There are specialties that the army don't have which the AF provides. Besides, there already are a number of AF personnel attached to army units.

jun_aka_pekto

Yeah I know, that's exactly why I'm saying they should be integrated. There are a good number of redundant command roles that could be phased out in favor of a single command. You'd save money that way and be more able to allocate more of the budget toward present and future missions.

Well, I being a proud Airman for the USAF, think this would be a bad idea. The Air Force has a lot of specialty jobs for just Airmen, basically everything to do with planes/jets/helis. You're looking at the combat side of it only, the Air Force does a LOT more than just fighting operations, and intergration with the Army wouldn't benifit either the Army or Air Force. In fact, it could lead to budget cuts which would hinder progress...

Also, to whomever said the Navy should get the Space Operations, be it known that the Air Force is also the Space Force. We do a LOT of stuff in space you guys don't/aren't allowed to know about.

The U.S. military saves more money than you know - especially at the unit level - where it isn't as visible as it would be in D.C.

For example, the Air Force has a Fraud, Waste, and Abuse program, and every unit has either an officer or a NCO performing that job as an additional duty.

When Congress said the military needed to cut spending across the board, my unit (only 75 people) came up with a savings of $1 million.

The Air Force also has a "Price Challenge" program. If an airman knows of a cheaper price for a procured item that is cheaper than what is normally paid, then the military goes for the lower cost.

Also they have a Suggestion Program wherein if a suggestion saves money, the person submitting the suggestion can receive a percentage cash award.:)

Yeah I know, that's exactly why I'm saying they should be integrated. There are a good number of redundant command roles that could be phased out in favor of a single command. You'd save money that way and be more able to allocate more of the budget toward present and future missions.

Ultimas_Blade

There's no way integrating the two will work since the jobs in the AF are very specialized. That's why they separated in the first place. The life on an infantryman and a jet mechanic are two different worlds.The doctrines of the two services are simply too different.

The gods in charge above can try to integrate them. But, imagine a combined AF/Army unit with an Army man on top. He wants daily formation PT for all personnel. A jet mechanic that just worked 12-13 hours overnight on an engine has to run too. That guy's going to be awfully tired and will burn out in a hurry. I don't see it working.

I think near his retirement time, one of my dads assignments was to inspect aircraft and buy parts for them. A management position, I guess. So yeah you can see how it could save costs when you have people dedicated to that entirety of it. Dividing it up like that may not make alot of sense, since you have almost every single branch of the military having their own sub-branches, which serve the same purpose as the other branches. But it puts competition into the mix, meaning nobody can get complacement, as funds are on the line.

Though I don't know jack, that's just what I'm guessing :-)

Well, I being a proud Airman for the USAF, think this would be a bad idea. The Air Force has a lot of specialty jobs for just Airmen, basically everything to do with planes/jets/helis. You're looking at the combat side of it only, the Air Force does a LOT more than just fighting operations, and intergration with the Army wouldn't benifit either the Army or Air Force. In fact, it could lead to budget cuts which would hinder progress...

Also, to whomever said the Navy should get the Space Operations, be it known that the Air Force is also the Space Force. We do a LOT of stuff in space you guys don't/aren't allowed to know about.

walton13

You didn't read my whole post. I'm not saying do away with the Air Force, but reintegrate it with the Army. In the Army we have lots of aircraft too, assimilating the Air Force's would just bring along most of the airmen equipment with it. I know that that the Air Force handles space, but taking that personnel from the Air Force to the Navy would keep operations virtually the same with less bureaucracy.

There's no way integrating the two will work since the jobs in the AF are very specialized. That's why they separated in the first place. The life on an infantryman and a jet mechanic are two different worlds.The doctrines of the two services are simply too different.

The gods in charge above can try to integrate them. But, imagine a combined AF/Army unit with an Army man on top. He wants daily formation PT for all personnel. A jet mechanic that just worked 12-13 hours overnight on an engine has to run too. That guy's going to be awfully tired and will burn out in a hurry. I don't see it working.

jun_aka_pekto

The doctrines aren't different at all really, and besides, think about sailors who work under Marine officers. What about the 91B's (Vehicle Mechanics) or 15N's (Avionic Mechanics)? Those MOS are already Army and they are exceptional soldiers, what makes you think a jet mechanic wouldn't be just as great? A little PT never hurt anybody :lol:

A little PT never hurt anybody :lol: Ultimas_Blade

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There's no way integrating the two will work since the jobs in the AF are very specialized. That's why they separated in the first place. The life on an infantryman and a jet mechanic are two different worlds.The doctrines of the two services are simply too different.

The gods in charge above can try to integrate them. But, imagine a combined AF/Army unit with an Army man on top. He wants daily formation PT for all personnel. A jet mechanic that just worked 12-13 hours overnight on an engine has to run too. That guy's going to be awfully tired and will burn out in a hurry. I don't see it working.

Ultimas_Blade

The doctrines aren't different at all really, and besides, think about sailors who work under Marine officers. What about the 91B's (Vehicle Mechanics) or 15N's (Avionic Mechanics)? Those MOS are already Army and they are exceptional soldiers, what makes you think a jet mechanic wouldn't be just as great? A little PT never hurt anybody :lol:

Having worked with both the army and air force, I can say that their doctrines are phenomenally different. Especially with the integration of aircraft andespecially at the crew level. Their rank mentality is different, their asset implementation is different and their C2 is different. The army couldn't do some of the things the air force does and the air force could not do what the army does on a grand scale.

If the British, French or Germans haven't done that yet, then the United States military will not be streamlining their forces any time soon.

I think maybe 70 years in the future, the world militaries will be stripped down into small-combined defence forces, but not for a while.

Bah, the Marines think they are hot ****, but the Army is where it's at (Proudly Serving :P ).)Ultimas_Blade

ARMY....Aint Ready for Marines Yet.. Haha I always found that hilarious.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"] A little PT never hurt anybody :lol: walton13

Already work a 5-7 day week with PT 3-5 days out of the week (depending on training/weather) as a logistician. Swap the PT out for your gym time and what's the difference?

One of the other posters was comparing the differences in unit structure and attitudes, well that's what transitional periods fix. It would work just as well as the marines and sailors work (probably better :lol: ). Airmen would still be Airmen, just within the Department of the Army.

yeah, sadly it's true that the marines are basically a part of the Navy. Thankfully, they are the most badass part of it.

That might be a skewed view from me, since I intend on becoming one though.

It has to be said though that the different branches have differing leadership views as well.

strategyking92