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I don't like the sound of this as it calls for the establishment of "a supranational authority" with worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide economic policies and decisions.

The Vaticancalled on Monday for the establishment of a "global public authority" and a "central world bank" to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

The document from the Vatican's Justice and Peace department should please the "Occupy Wall Street"demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

"Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority," was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-vatican-calls-for-global-authority-on-economy-20111024,0,3009511.story

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/10/24/vatican-calls-for-global-authority-on-economy-raps-idolatry-of-the-market/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45013499Chicago Tribune

So then what would become of the Bank for International Settlements(the bank of central banks) and/or the World Bank and the IMF and their SDRs?

*tin foil hat*

I think what they are proposing sounds very bad. What I think would probably happen is that the BIS or World Bank/IMF would ''go global'' and control the monetary policy of all the countries in the globe, not just the nations within their current circles. The controlling banking institutions would have even more power than they do now and the United Nations & NATO would become very powerful as a result.

Would a Central World Bank solve the world's economic problems?

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So the church can control it?

LOL

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Ironic that this might happen..It was predicted in revelations.

This is why I hate the pop the vatican and some churchs.

A one worl currency isn't far away(or it is who knows)

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I like the sound of it.
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I don't like the sound of this as it calls for the establishment of "a supranational authority" with worldwide scope and "universal jurisdiction" to guide economic policies and decisions.

[quote="Chicago Tribune"]The Vaticancalled on Monday for the establishment of a "global public authority" and a "central world bank" to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

The document from the Vatican's Justice and Peace department should please the "Occupy Wall Street"demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.

"Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority," was at times very specific, calling, for example, for taxation measures on financial transactions.

....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-vatican-calls-for-global-authority-on-economy-20111024,0,3009511.story

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/10/24/vatican-calls-for-global-authority-on-economy-raps-idolatry-of-the-market/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45013499_R34LiTY_

So then what would become of the Bank for International Settlements(the bank of central banks) and/or the World Bank and the IMF and their SDRs?

*tin foil hat*

I think what they are proposing sounds very bad. What I think would probably happen is that the BIS or World Bank/IMF would ''go global'' and control the monetary policy of all the countries in the globe, not just the nations within their current circles. The controlling banking institutions would have even more power than they do now and the United Nations & NATO would become very powerful as a result.

Would a Central World Bank solve the world's economic problems?

Someday, I'm sure it would work. At this point, I don't see it working.
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Ironic that this might happen..It was predicted in revelations.

This is why I hate the pop the vatican and some churchs.

A one worl currency isn't far away(or it is who knows)

Kcube
Teh end of teh world. Again! A slowly coalescing monetary and government system is an inevitable thing, and not inherently evil. Revelations is just a myth, and one that some scholars can make an argument for not even being a legit part of the bible at all. Wouldn't surprise me, Deutreonomy (sp?) was exposed as a fraud, why not Revelations too?
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The catholic are trying to be hip
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[QUOTE="Kcube"]

Ironic that this might happen..It was predicted in revelations.

This is why I hate the pop the vatican and some churchs.

A one worl currency isn't far away(or it is who knows)

RandoIph

Teh end of teh world. Again! A slowly coalescing monetary and government system is an inevitable thing, and not inherently evil. Revelations is just a myth, and one that some scholars can make an argument for not even being a legit part of the bible at all. Wouldn't surprise me, Deutreonomy (sp?) was exposed as a fraud, why not Revelations too?

Well I believe in the 2 headed scorpions on horses and momsters coming out of the sea

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Can anyone say "new world order?"

Also, how is this supposed to please OWS? Part of what they're protesting is the economic dominance of the consolidation of power in finance.

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People around the world mad at banks? Make the biggest bank the world has ever seen! Vatican City, bastion of logic.
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First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.
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First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.kuraimen

So true.

The vatican is all for the vatican..Jesus is just a tool of control to keep them in power.

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First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.kuraimen

Well, it's not exactly the same. If the people behind those institutions had their way it would be the same, but they don't have quite as much power as this porposed institution would have. That being said, this is basically a proposal to expand their power over all of finance, and given their records I'm not exactly enthused at that prospect.

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the catholic church... wants to help us with ethics.... hmmmm.

wait a sec, i'm having a bit of trouble connecting that in my brain.

catholic church.................................. ethics.........................................

nope, still not getting it.

wait.... do they maybe want to determine sales at retail stores because the only connection i'm seeing here is maybe something about boys pants half off.

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Seriously? Ever heard of Rerum Novarum? Or the more recent Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church? The Church has been warning about the problem of the great disparity between the rich and poor for over hundred years. They've been a proponent for redistribution of wealth, though obviously not through socialist means. There would still be a right to private property.
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People around the world mad at banks? Make the biggest bank the world has ever seen! Vatican City, bastion of logic.Ace6301

+1.

Also, a former Hitler youth proposing centralized control of world finances, really?

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Sounds pretty efficient to me. Instead of using offering plates on Sunday, they can just take 10% of your account balance.
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First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.kuraimen
In other words, you're completely ignorant to what the Catholic Church teaches... That's not really a history lesson I have the time to give either.
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

the catholic church... wants to help us with ethics.... hmmmm.

wait a sec, i'm having a bit of trouble connecting that in my brain.

catholic church.................................. ethics.........................................

nope, still not getting it.

wait.... do they maybe want to determine sales at retail stores because the only connection i'm seeing here is maybe something about boys pants half off.

Karnage108
Seriously? Ever heard of Rerum Novarum? Or the more recent Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church? The Church has been warning about the problem of the great disparity between the rich and poor for over hundred years. They've been a proponent for redistribution of wealth, though obviously not through socialist means. There would still be a right to private property.

"Quick guild more things before the peasants call us hypocritical!" Nah, just playing. It's nice to see they care all of a sudden.
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a. why is the church involving in this? i hope they do not have any hope in getting any kind of say in monetary business

b. yeah lets give even more power to banks, what could go wrong

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[QUOTE="Karnage108"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

the catholic church... wants to help us with ethics.... hmmmm.

wait a sec, i'm having a bit of trouble connecting that in my brain.

catholic church.................................. ethics.........................................

nope, still not getting it.

wait.... do they maybe want to determine sales at retail stores because the only connection i'm seeing here is maybe something about boys pants half off.

Ace6301

Seriously? Ever heard of Rerum Novarum? Or the more recent Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church? The Church has been warning about the problem of the great disparity between the rich and poor for over hundred years. They've been a proponent for redistribution of wealth, though obviously not through socialist means. There would still be a right to private property.

"Quick guild more things before the peasants call us hypocritical!" Nah, just playing. It's nice to see they care all of a sudden.

What can they really do? Aside from being the largest charitable organization in the world, the pope can make an address through an encyclical here and there (not even what the Vatican is doing in this case). The ratio of rich people to people in absolute poverty is getting smaller and smaller primarily because of charitable organizations. As a whole though, I'd say globalization is helping; so maybe the Church has the right idea with a central bank. Still, there's not much the Church or anyone can do about greedy people (short of taking their money).

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Oh Vatican... is there anything you WON'T say or do?

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Oh Vatican... is there anything you WON'T say or do?

Frame_Dragger

How about, "we're genuinely sorry about the molestations and we're going to take REAL steps to put a stop to it and bring the perpetrators to justice instead of just trying to bury it."

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#24 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Oh Vatican... is there anything you WON'T say or do?

How about, "we're genuinely sorry about the molestations and we're going to take REAL steps to put a stop to it and bring the perpetrators to justice instead of just trying to bury it."

Ahhhhh... that is a VERY good point!
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They definitely have the money to fund it. Pretty much every artistic and literary treasure from the past thousand years is in their vaults....
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Oh Vatican... is there anything you WON'T say or do?

theone86

How about, "we're genuinely sorry about the molestations and we're going to take REAL steps to put a stop to it and bring the perpetrators to justice instead of just trying to bury it."

Bringing them to justice? Uhh what exactly are you implying?

I'm sure sex abuse scandals are the the only thing people like you think about when the words "Catholic Church" are brought up, but the Church certainly has been progressing as far as removing priests and imposing reforms which require more background checks on the clergy. Not that you would hear about that though. That's totally boring compared to hearing how the Church is one great and collective source of evil :roll:

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#27 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Karnage108"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Oh Vatican... is there anything you WON'T say or do?

How about, "we're genuinely sorry about the molestations and we're going to take REAL steps to put a stop to it and bring the perpetrators to justice instead of just trying to bury it."

Bringing them to justice? Uhh what exactly are you implying?

I'm sure sex abuse scandals are the the only thing people like you think about when the words "Catholic Church" are brought up, but the Church certainly has been progressing as far as removing priests and imposing reforms which require more background checks on the clergy. Not that you would hear about that though. That's totally boring compared to hearing how the Church is one great and collective source of evil :roll:

That's not true, I also think of WWII rat-lines, and the Pope's Prada slippers. Besides, they're not a source of evil, just a collection of idiots with too much power/money and too little morality/brains. If it bores you, don't read abbout it, but for most people it's going to leap to mind at some point.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Oh Vatican... is there anything you WON'T say or do?

Karnage108

How about, "we're genuinely sorry about the molestations and we're going to take REAL steps to put a stop to it and bring the perpetrators to justice instead of just trying to bury it."

Bringing them to justice? Uhh what exactly are you implying?

I'm sure sex abuse scandals are the the only thing people like you think about when the words "Catholic Church" are brought up, but the Church certainly has been progressing as far as removing priests and imposing reforms which require more background checks on the clergy. Not that you would hear about that though. That's totally boring compared to hearing how the Church is one great and collective source of evil :roll:

Except, for an organisation which claims to be all righteous and s*** they should be held to a higher standard. Anyway getting back on topic; How is this different to organisations to the IMF and such? In theory a central world bank and central world government is a nice idea. I don't think they'd work out too well in real life though.
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I don't think anyone is going to take them seriously, reading the thread pretty much confirmed that.

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#30 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="Karnage108"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

How about, "we're genuinely sorry about the molestations and we're going to take REAL steps to put a stop to it and bring the perpetrators to justice instead of just trying to bury it."

Bringing them to justice? Uhh what exactly are you implying?

I'm sure sex abuse scandals are the the only thing people like you think about when the words "Catholic Church" are brought up, but the Church certainly has been progressing as far as removing priests and imposing reforms which require more background checks on the clergy. Not that you would hear about that though. That's totally boring compared to hearing how the Church is one great and collective source of evil :roll:

Except, for an organisation which claims to be all righteous and s*** they should be held to a higher standard. Anyway getting back on topic; How is this different to organisations to the IMF and such? In theory a central world bank and central world government is a nice idea. I don't think they'd work out too well in real life though.

That's almost certainly a central problem for any organization that believes they have a monopoly on justice. Bringing them to justice then becomes a purely cyclical process.

@Karnage: Oh, I also think of Tom Lehrer's 'The Vatican Rag'. That is FUuuuuuunnnnyyyy.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.theone86

Well, it's not exactly the same. If the people behind those institutions had their way it would be the same, but they don't have quite as much power as this porposed institution would have. That being said, this is basically a proposal to expand their power over all of finance, and given their records I'm not exactly enthused at that prospect.

Well I think they have enough power already, we don't need something more powerful messing around the world.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.Karnage108
In other words, you're completely ignorant to what the Catholic Church teaches... That's not really a history lesson I have the time to give either.

Actions speak louder than words. The CC's actions leave much to be desired.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]First of all a thing like that already exists, it's IMF and the WTO. And second when was the last time the Catholic Church had a good idea? I think Jesus was their last credible representative and we are not even sure he would call himself a catholic.kuraimen

Well, it's not exactly the same. If the people behind those institutions had their way it would be the same, but they don't have quite as much power as this porposed institution would have. That being said, this is basically a proposal to expand their power over all of finance, and given their records I'm not exactly enthused at that prospect.

Well I think they have enough power already, we don't need something more powerful messing around the world.

Truer words have never been spoken.

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So the church can control it?

LOL

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thats kinda of immature thing for a mod to say.

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lets hope to god its not a private bank

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So the church can control it?

LOL

dontshackzmii

thats kinda of immature thing for a mod to say.

You might be right, but I think I get what he means. After all, the world is filled with many religions. Centralizing the world's money into one currency under the Catholic church could be seen as making the entire world's official religion Catholicism. Would that be so far fetched to think of?
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Centralizing the world's money into one currency under the Catholic church could be seen as making the entire world's official religion Catholicism. Would that be so far fetched to think of?BranKetra

Is that what's being proposed here?

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Centralizing the world's money into one currency under the Catholic church could be seen as making the entire world's official religion Catholicism. Would that be so far fetched to think of?Palantas

Is that what's being proposed here?

no its not

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#39 branketra
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[QUOTE="Palantas"]

Is that what's being proposed here?

dontshackzmii

no its not

Didn't read the articles. My mistake.
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#40 mlbslugger86
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Giving the Vatican More Money....:?

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If the Church becomes in control of my money then I will be the first person to launch nukes. I better start running for office now it seems.. this damn country has no nukes yet.
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If the Church becomes in control of my money then I will be the first person to launch nukes. I better start running for office now it seems.. this damn country has no nukes yet.Senor-Dweedle

omg this is not what its about at all read please.

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[QUOTE="Senor-Dweedle"]If the Church becomes in control of my money then I will be the first person to launch nukes. I better start running for office now it seems.. this damn country has no nukes yet.dontshackzmii

omg this is not what its about at all read please.

Read? You mean I actually have to go to the link and read what they proposed? [spoiler] :P [/spoiler]
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Well this pairs perfectly with my threadI just started :) Thanks

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28911275/i-have-something-very-important-i-would-like-to-say...please-read?tag=topics%3Btitle

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]People around the world mad at banks? Make the biggest bank the world has ever seen! Vatican City, bastion of logic.

pretty much sums it up
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#46 notsoawesome
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Pretty ironic that money is supposedly the root of all evil and yet they want a bank. Why do religious people always set a horrible image for themselves?:roll:

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#47 ionusX
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]People around the world mad at banks? Make the biggest bank the world has ever seen! Vatican City, bastion of logic.weezyfb
pretty much sums it up

this basically gives more munition for the 2nd division "the tin foil hat boys" to use against the global systems.. what dont act like it aint true!

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#49 jewfro-samurai
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The Dark Ages were called so for a reason, Vatican gtfo of my politics.
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#50 black_cat19
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The Catholic Church proposing an alternative to "institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective"...

Oh sweet, sweet irony.