The worst topic religion or politics?

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#1 deactivated-608cb95043897
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Well either one migjht cause a war so what one is the worst?

I will go wiith religion.. What's your pic?

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#2 Sparticus247
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I'll go with politics, but if I had my real choice i'd go with people.

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#3 ariz3260
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They are both the best topics

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#4 SolidSnake35
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Politics. I know little about American politics so it goes over my head.
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#5 Teenaged
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I dont get into politics.

But really I could choose both.

Politics discussion because I find politics so ridiculous I dont even want to venture into it.

And religion discussions because I have been too much involved and gotten sick of it.

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#6 deactivated-608cb95043897
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I'll go with politics, but if I had my real choice i'd go with people.

Sparticus247

Hold on who kept you from your real chioce? Was it the religious nuts? Or the Political crazys?

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#7 jamejame
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Politics is a great topic. Religion is an interesting topic as its got reasonable opinions on both side of the spectrum, but chances areyou'll never convince anybody onthe opposingside of your view. That makes it a great debate topic as well, its a challenge. I'll go ahead and say the worst topic is the console wars. Honestly, who cares which company is the best, all you're doing by arguing about it is the company's marketting, for them... for free.

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#8 Xeros606
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Ice cream. Seriously, those threads always end up as flame-fests against mint chocolate chip. I find that most people here are simply too narrow minded and uninformed to properly argue on the subject.
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#9 amirzaim
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Politics is the worst ones and i see that politics now are filled with donkey jobs!
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#10 the_new_guy_92
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Both suck because they often involve people who don't understand what they're talking about. But politics are worst, because while religion hits a certain wall of what can't be proven or dis-proven; people in Politic threads often end up arguing against well known facts.

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#11 mindstorm
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I dont get into politics.

But really I could choose both.

Politics discussion because I find politics so ridiculous I dont even want to venture into it.

And religion discussions because I have been too much involved and gotten sick of it.

Teenaged
I agree with the politics part but I only get sick of certain parts of the religious topics. In other words, I sometimes get annoyed with dealing with trolls. Actual discussions = good.
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#12 garathe_den
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Politics. I can't understand why anyone would have respect for the government, let alone be interested in politics. At least religion is interesting.

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#13 akuma_od3
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I find it hillarious when people say "I dont get into politics!"\

Do you realise how silly you are? If you dont get into politics, then OK, but you may NEVER, EVER start a conversation, or complainabout the following:

1) The price of things

2) Games getting banned

3) Marijuana / drug laws

4) The police

5) Corruption

6) What you see on TV

7) What you hear on the radio

8 ) What you read in magazines (and what you dont read)

9) Why gas is so expensive

10) Anything to do with any War, anywhere, at any given time.

11)....well....you dont really have the right to talk about anything really.....

Saying you are not into politics is like saying you are not into breathing air. Politics effects every little part of your lives and you should be VERY interested in it at all times. Unless you are quite happy being a sheep.

EDIT: And to the above poster who "cant understand why anyone would be interested in politics". The reason for understanding politics, is so that you can eventually manipulate goverment rules for your own good. Legal loopholes? There are thousands of them. Knowing them will make your life awesome.

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#14 LJS9502_basic
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I'll go with people. People cause war.
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#15 Cerberus_Legion
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Religion, because everything that could be said has been said, and it'll always become a "Agree to disagree" affair so what's the point?

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#16 ExpiredGhost
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I find that politics is worse.
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#17 mindstorm
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I find it hillarious when people say "I dont get into politics!"akuma_od3

Oh I talk about it, I just don't like debating certain aspects of the government outside of social issues.

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#18 akuma_od3
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[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]

I find it hillarious when people say "I dont get into politics!"mindstorm

Oh I talk about it, I just don't like debating certain aspects of the government outside of social issues.

Almost everything said in normal conversation (even with mates at the pub) stem, to some degree, from politics. If you eliminated all forms of political discussion from all coversation. There wouldnt be much to talk about.

Also all those opposed to "politics". Thanks for ensuring Australia keeps banning R18+ video games. You guys are champs.

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#19 Snipes_2
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Ice Cream! :o

I thought this choice was obvious :?

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#20 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]

I find it hillarious when people say "I dont get into politics!"akuma_od3

Oh I talk about it, I just don't like debating certain aspects of the government outside of social issues.

Almost everything said in normal conversation (even with mates at the pub) stem, to some degree, from politics. If you eliminated all forms of political discussion from all coversation. There wouldnt be much to talk about.

Also all those opposed to "politics". Thanks for ensuring Australia keeps banning R18+ video games. You guys are champs.

Maybe you shouldnt take such phrases at face value.

Saying "I am not into politics" doesnt necessarily mean that the person is ignoring everything politics-related, even the political facet of every day problems.

It just means that he avoids to debate about politics (which doesnt mean that he end up not talking about it at all) or doesnt want to debate politics to the degree some other people do who really "get into" politics.

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#21 Darth-Caedus
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Religion by far.

Most of the time, no one is going to change their opinion on anything, and it amounts to them posting the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over........and over....

While the other guy posts his argument over and over and...I think you get the point.

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#22 EMOEVOLUTION
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I'm fine with both topics.
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#23 akuma_od3
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[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Oh I talk about it, I just don't like debating certain aspects of the government outside of social issues.

Teenaged

Almost everything said in normal conversation (even with mates at the pub) stem, to some degree, from politics. If you eliminated all forms of political discussion from all coversation. There wouldnt be much to talk about.

Also all those opposed to "politics". Thanks for ensuring Australia keeps banning R18+ video games. You guys are champs.

Maybe you shouldnt take such phrases at face value.

Saying "I am not into politics" doesnt necessarily mean that the person is ignoring everything politics-related, even the political facet of every day problems.

It just means that he avoids to debate about politics (which doesnt mean that he end up not talking about it at all) or doesnt want to debate politics to the degree some other people do who really "get into" politics.

Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...

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#24 nintendo-4life
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Politics. I HATE IT.
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#25 akuma_od3
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Politics. I HATE IT.nintendo-4life

Ironically, it is because of politics that you have the freedom of speech to say that you hate it.

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#26 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]

Almost everything said in normal conversation (even with mates at the pub) stem, to some degree, from politics. If you eliminated all forms of political discussion from all coversation. There wouldnt be much to talk about.

Also all those opposed to "politics". Thanks for ensuring Australia keeps banning R18+ video games. You guys are champs.

akuma_od3

Maybe you shouldnt take such phrases at face value.

Saying "I am not into politics" doesnt necessarily mean that the person is ignoring everything politics-related, even the political facet of every day problems.

It just means that he avoids to debate about politics (which doesnt mean that he end up not talking about it at all) or doesnt want to debate politics to the degree some other people do who really "get into" politics.

Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...

(RED) And thats exactly the reason why the possibility should cross your mind that people who say this phrase are not being "literal". Many times when we speak we dont express our minds in the most articulate and specific way.

If we did, everyone would start posting their position and then adding 100 premises trying to refute possible implications of their words. And that is unreasonable to do with phrases we are used to use in real life and people often dont take at face value.

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#27 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]Politics. I HATE IT.akuma_od3

Ironically, it is because of politics that you have the freedom of speech to say that you hate it.

When one says that they hate Politics doesnt mean that they hate the existence of a specific political system or specifically the one their country has.

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#28 mindstorm
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Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...akuma_od3
So then if someone understands the difference but uses this common phrase to merely express that he does not like debating deep political matters, then he is stupid? There comes a time when we should understand people by what they mean rather than what they literally say.

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#29 Wolls
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I try to stay out of religious topics cos i doont really care what people think in those..... but polotics if im feeling in the right mood and there is some super right wing nut job on there then yea it can be fun to prove them wrong :)
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#30 taj7575
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Religion topics. Most of them turn into ignorant, pointless arguments. At least you can discuss something worth talking about in politics.

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#31 akuma_od3
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[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...mindstorm

So then if someone understands the difference but uses this common phrase to merely express that he does not like debating deep political matters, then he is stupid?

Absolutely. There are more elegant ways of expressing that you do not want to delve into a deep political discussion. Saying "I am not into politics" is actually incorrect use of the English language. The term itself implies that the topic of "politics" (and ALL of its sub-genres) are of no interest to you whatsoever.

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#32 Maniacc1
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Both can be pretty... interesting :P
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#33 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...akuma_od3

So then if someone understands the difference but uses this common phrase to merely express that he does not like debating deep political matters, then he is stupid?

Absolutely. There are more elegant ways of expressing that you do not want to delve into a deep political discussion. Saying "I am not into politics" is actually incorrect use of the English language. The term itself implies that the topic of "politics" (and ALL of its sub-genres) are of no interest to you whatsoever.

You have an incorrect understanding of what "correct use of language" is.

Unless you would like to tell us that this:

"Are you sick?"

"Yes."

...is an incorrect use of language. And that this:

"Are you sick?"

"Yes, I am sick."

is the correct one.

A time comes when it has to be realised that a person is not obligated to type as if they were writing an essay and will type as if they had an every-day conversation.

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#34 Wolls
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...akuma_od3

So then if someone understands the difference but uses this common phrase to merely express that he does not like debating deep political matters, then he is stupid?

Absolutely. There are more elegant ways of expressing that you do not want to delve into a deep political discussion. Saying "I am not into politics" is actually incorrect use of the English language. The term itself implies that the topic of "politics" (and ALL of its sub-genres) are of no interest to you whatsoever.

haha dude, let it be. Not everyone wants to spen hours on the internet trying to convince someone a million miles away to change views just because they disagree with them you know :P
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#35 wraithlock
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Either one in this day and age is a lost cause... Both are too corrupt and defunct to be of any use in a debate with a productive conclusion.
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#36 m45t3rch13f
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Politics can be funny sometimes. Religion is just downright annoying, so I`ll go with religion.
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#37 coolbeans90
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Well, I am not opposed to either set of discussions. I just find politics to be more compelling. I like some religious debates, specifically of the philosophical variety. But in general, it seems that people let their emotions fly more when religion comes into place. Often this results in insults, generalizations and other not niceties. This is very true for politics to a fair extent, albeit less so than religion. (yes, that is my opinion...) Now when you combine the two, you get same-sex marriage threads. I tend to stay away from those.

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#38 taj7575
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Religion by far.

Most of the time, no one is going to change their opinion on anything, and it amounts to them posting the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over........and over....

While the other guy posts his argument over and over and...I think you get the point.

Darth-Caedus

Exactly. And then theres people like crushmaster..:x

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#39 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]Saying "I am not into politics" comes across as incredibly stupid. Anybody who has half an idea of how broad a term "politics" actually is, would never say that. At least, it wouldnt be someone I would have a conversation with...akuma_od3

So then if someone understands the difference but uses this common phrase to merely express that he does not like debating deep political matters, then he is stupid?

Absolutely. There are more elegant ways of expressing that you do not want to delve into a deep political discussion. Saying "I am not into politics" is actually incorrect use of the English language. The term itself implies that the topic of "politics" (and ALL of its sub-genres) are of no interest to you whatsoever.

While I understand that it's not technically appropriate English, that doesn't mean the individual himself is ignorant when using such a common colloquialism. That's the purpose of a colloquialism, to make a sometimes complex statement less complex. If one does not speak "elegantly" that does not mean the individual is ignorant or stupid.
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#40 MetroidPrimePwn
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Actual discussions on both are nice and sometimes enlightening.

What goes on on the internet on both is unbearable.

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[QUOTE="akuma_od3"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] So then if someone understands the difference but uses this common phrase to merely express that he does not like debating deep political matters, then he is stupid? mindstorm

Absolutely. There are more elegant ways of expressing that you do not want to delve into a deep political discussion. Saying "I am not into politics" is actually incorrect use of the English language. The term itself implies that the topic of "politics" (and ALL of its sub-genres) are of no interest to you whatsoever.

While I understand that it's not technically appropriate English, that doesn't mean the individual himself is ignorant when using such a common colloquialism. That's the purpose of a colloquialism, to make a sometimes complex statement less complex. If one does not speak "elegantly" that does not mean the individual is ignorant or stupid.

(RED) Thats not even a founded criticism.

Is language purely a technical "being", stable and so detached from human perception itself that can be viewed as mapable?

The phrase that gets the criticism isnt even technically inappropriate. Its only ambiguity is in Semantics; which Semantics is perhaps the most "fluid" aspect of language. If we use the argument of "technicality" then metaphors are technical errors too.

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#42 btaylor2404
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They aren't all bad. Yes religion and politics threads usually spiral out of control, but there are some very, very good "mini discussions/debates" that happen in most.
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#43 mindstorm
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Thats not even a founded criticism.

Is language purely a technical "being", stable and so detached from human perception itself that can be viewed as mapable?

The phrase that gets the criticism isnt even technically inappropriate. Its only ambiguity is in Semantics; which Semantics is perhaps the most "fluid" aspect of language. If we use the argument of "technicality" then metaphors are technical errors too.

Teenaged

Indeed but it might be marked as wrong on a grammar exam in school. :P

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#44 htekemerald
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Religion.

At least in politics both sides have a point of view which doesn't involve faerie tales

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#45 mindstorm
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Religion.

At least in politics both sides have a point of view which doesn't involve faerie tales

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Global warming is a fairy tale! Sorry, I couldn't resist. :P
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#46 The_Red_Ronso
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Religion.

It's easier to "Agree to Disagree" on politics.

Religion...eh...no so much.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Thats not even a founded criticism.

Is language purely a technical "being", stable and so detached from human perception itself that can be viewed as mapable?

The phrase that gets the criticism isnt even technically inappropriate. Its only ambiguity is in Semantics; which Semantics is perhaps the most "fluid" aspect of language. If we use the argument of "technicality" then metaphors are technical errors too.

mindstorm

Indeed but it might be marked as wrong on a grammar exam in school. :P

What is grammatically wrong with the phrase "I am not into politics"?

And lets not forget that the school and its language lessons is not there to teach us what is the "right" way to speak (well in special cases where a student really doesnt know how to express themselves or makes blatant mistakes it does) but to teach us a way to speak which utilises language in its fullest potential.

And a school essay is not the only communicational environment and deffinitely not the most important.

The optimum result would be a student who has excelled in all communicational environments he was unaware of (such as an essay which is only introduced in school) and then use the appropriate "language" according to the communicational environment he/she find themselves into at any given moment. That environment could be an essay, a job interview, a discussion with a stranger, a discussion with a friend etc.

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#48 Mousetaches
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I prefer both of those types to what I classify under "Icecream" which is a topic that includes: What are your favorite ____? When did you ____? Where are you going to ___? Because unlike political and religious threads, they seem to create almost no discussion.
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#49 btaylor2404
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Religion.

At least in politics both sides have a point of view which doesn't involve faerie tales

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Global warming is a fairy tale! Sorry, I couldn't resist. :P

I will (but ohhh I don't want to :P), how are ya C? Things been going well?
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#50 mindstorm
Member since 2003 • 15255 Posts

What is grammatically wrong with the phrase "I am not into politics"?

And lets not forget that the school and its language lessons is not there to teach us what is the "right" way to speak (well in special cases where a student really doesnt know how to express themselves or makes blatant mistakes it does) but to teach us a way to speak which utilises language in its fullest potential.

And a school essay is not the only communicational environment and deffinitely not the most important.

Teenaged

I'm only saying that because I had to write A LOT for my undergrad. The professors were very strict about how we presented our message. I was even required to take Advanced Grammar and Style as one of my classes. I was not required to write normal school essays but 30 page exegetical papers on various passages of Scripture. o_O

...I learned a lot though. :P