There are no "Native Americans"

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#1 Clickme_now
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There are no "Native Americans". Everone on this planet came from somewhere else. Everyone is an immigrant, not just most Americans. The North American Indians came from Russia. The Mexicans and other Latinos also came across via Alaska. So the argument that whites and others "stole" this land from the NA is moot. Also, the statement that "We are all illegal immigrants, becase we stole the land from the Native Americans". Not so. The Native Americans had no immigration laws to break. In fact, they welcomed the pilgrims. Therefore, the Pilgrims were not illegal immigrants.
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#2 rawsavon
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You are off to a fast start here...but can you keep it up
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#3 Engrish_Major
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Good for you? I think the point of the argument you're attempting to counter is that Native Americans were the first human settlers on the continent. Ultimately, we all came from the Euphrates valley (probably), but we don't all call ourselves Iraqis.
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#4 GazaAli
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its not enough to steel the land and kill the natives, now you are not responsible too?
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#6 ferrari2001
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You are off to a fast start here...but can you keep it uprawsavon
I give him 2 more threads or so.
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#7 Clickme_now
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its not enough to steel the land and kill the natives, now you are not responsible too?GazaAli
again, steel what land? The vast majority was anyone's to take.
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#8 Clickme_now
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]You are off to a fast start here...but can you keep it upferrari2001
I give him 2 more threads or so.

wat. I don't get it.
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#9 Meinhard1
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The pilgrims may not have been illegal immigrants but they certainly cause more trouble to the natives than any population of modern illegal immigrants. Also I'm pretty sure to be a native your people must have been in the land for 500 years or something like that.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]You are off to a fast start here...but can you keep it upClickme_now
I give him 2 more threads or so.

wat. I don't get it.

You will. It will arrive via your PM inbox
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#11 Dylan_11
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They prefer to be called Aboriginals now.

its not enough to steel the land and kill the natives, now you are not responsible too?GazaAli
We are not responsible. Our ancestors are, and we have been literally paying for it ever since.

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#12 Theokhoth
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I lost?
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#13 GazaAli
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I lost?Theokhoth
still in, post more.
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#14 jun_aka_pekto
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Russia? Hmmm. Dasvidania, Komrade Sitting Bear. Dasvidania. :lol:

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#15 Cruse34
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So everyones from central Africa? Is that your point?

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#16 Wolls
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]its not enough to steel the land and kill the natives, now you are not responsible too?Clickme_now
again, steel what land? The vast majority was anyone's to take.

Just because you make up a set of rules and laws for your civilisation doesn't mean you get to force that on other civilisations too.
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#17 Clickme_now
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[QUOTE="Clickme_now"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I give him 2 more threads or so. rawsavon
wat. I don't get it.

You will. It will arrive via your PM inbox

I still don't get it. What will arrive in my PM box?
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#18 Dystopian-X
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You will. It will arrive via your PM inboxrawsavon

:lol:

This is one of the best jokes you've cracked!

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#19 Clickme_now
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[QUOTE="Clickme_now"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]its not enough to steel the land and kill the natives, now you are not responsible too?Wolls
again, steel what land? The vast majority was anyone's to take.

Just because you make up a set of rules and laws for your civilisation doesn't mean you get to force that on other civilisations too.

Actually, we did and do. That is the was civilization works.
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#20 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Clickme_now"] wat. I don't get it.Clickme_now
You will. It will arrive via your PM inbox

I still don't get it. What will arrive in my PM box?

You don't get to open your gifts early...you have to wait till Santamod delivers them
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#21 Superbored
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Yep. And we're all organisms evolved from less complex organisms that came out of the sea! And the first organisms that developed in the sea might have come to Earth by metor! So we're all aliens!

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#22 Clickme_now
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[QUOTE="Clickme_now"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] You will. It will arrive via your PM inboxrawsavon
I still don't get it. What will arrive in my PM box?

You don't get to open your gifts early...you have to wait till Santamod delivers them

Santamod.... I see what you did thar...but still, wut. I'm not breaking any rules, am I?
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#23 tocklestein2005
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lmao...

but seriously, you're wrong TC. You should have said: there aren't MANY Native Americans...left...now.

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#24 tocklestein2005
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Yep. And we're all organisms evolved from less complex organisms that came out of the sea! And the first organisms that developed in the sea might have come to Earth by metor! So we're all aliens!

Superbored
indeed.
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#25 Wolls
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[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="Clickme_now"] again, steel what land? The vast majority was anyone's to take.Clickme_now
Just because you make up a set of rules and laws for your civilisation doesn't mean you get to force that on other civilisations too.

Actually, we did and do. That is the was civilization works.

You know i was gonna right something rational, but **** it, im hungry and this thread isnt going anywhere fast from what i can see
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I like where this is going. . .
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#27 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Clickme_now"] I still don't get it. What will arrive in my PM box?Clickme_now
You don't get to open your gifts early...you have to wait till Santamod delivers them

Santamod.... I see what you did thar...but still, wut. I'm not breaking any rules, am I?

Depends on which Mod is checking the list...you never know who has been naughty or nice
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#28 Clickme_now
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[QUOTE="Clickme_now"][QUOTE="Wolls"] Just because you make up a set of rules and laws for your civilisation doesn't mean you get to force that on other civilisations too.Wolls
Actually, we did and do. That is the was civilization works.

You know i was gonna right something rational, but **** it, im hungry and this thread isnt going anywhere fast from what i can see

Go eat then. I hope you have some delicious cake, it's what I'm having later for my bro's birthday.
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#29 Agent-Zero
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If everyone came from somewhere else where did it start?
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#30 WiiMan21
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hahaha, I actually like that joke!

But in all seriousness, I don't get what you are trying to say...

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#31 SgtKevali
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Using that logic, there are no Europeans, or Asians, or Americans, only Africans, I suppose.

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#32 Dark_Knight6
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To the best of our knowledge, yes, Native Americans crossed the Bering Straight and populated North and South America. Fact of the matter is, they were there before any Europeans settlers, and claimed that land for their own. When European settlers came over to the Americas, they forcefully took that land. And in some case, enslaved and butchered the natives. The land was stolen and the natives were continually pushed westward.

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#33 MrMe1000
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they were the first to settle in america so that makes them natives to america

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There are no "Native Americans". Everone on this planet came from somewhere else. Everyone is an immigrant, not just most Americans. The North American Indians came from Russia. The Mexicans and other Latinos also came across via Alaska. So the argument that whites and others "stole" this land from the NA is moot. Also, the statement that "We are all illegal immigrants, becase we stole the land from the Native Americans". Not so. The Native Americans had no immigration laws to break. In fact, they welcomed the pilgrims. Therefore, the Pilgrims were not illegal immigrants.Clickme_now

Isn't Alaska part of North America? There for, if you came from Alaska you are indeed a Native American.

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#35 Immortalica
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The Native Americans are called Native because they were there first. We just stole their land.
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[QUOTE="Clickme_now"]There are no "Native Americans". Everone on this planet came from somewhere else. Everyone is an immigrant, not just most Americans. The North American Indians came from Russia. The Mexicans and other Latinos also came across via Alaska. So the argument that whites and others "stole" this land from the NA is moot. Also, the statement that "We are all illegal immigrants, becase we stole the land from the Native Americans". Not so. The Native Americans had no immigration laws to break. In fact, they welcomed the pilgrims. Therefore, the Pilgrims were not illegal immigrants.Pixel-Pirate

Isn't Alaska part of North America? There for, if you came from Alaska you are indeed a Native American.

It's part of it now. o.O or have we really mislabeled the Latinos? their real name is native American? o.o;
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#37 Dark_Knight6
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It's part of it now. o.O or have we really mislabeled the Latinos? their real name is native American? o.o;Baconbits2004

The Latino population in the Americas came from Spain in the form of settlers.

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Native Americans didn't have a concept of land ownership, to them the earth belonged to all of nature's creatures. You could TECHNICALLY make the argument that since they didn't own the land we didn't steal it, but for one since they don't have a concept of ownership we have to use our concept of ownership, and according to our own concepts they owned the land because they were there first. Second, we killed them in every way possible: we killed them through war, disease, forced labor, and even killing off their food supply. We took the resources they depended on for survival either for ourselves or we completely destroyed them. We destroyed their way of living, that's the ultimate theft according to their customs, and it's even worse according to ours. Think of what would happen if someone unleashed a bioweapon on the U.S., killed off our crops and cattle, and used military might to force us to live in a small corner of the country, would the survivors just sit back and say, "well, we got beat, watchya gonna do?" No, it'd be a tragedy, but apparently there's a double standard because it isn't a tragedy when we did the same to the Native Americans (more native than us, at least), and why? Becuase their culture's different?

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Clickme_now"]There are no "Native Americans". Everone on this planet came from somewhere else. Everyone is an immigrant, not just most Americans. The North American Indians came from Russia. The Mexicans and other Latinos also came across via Alaska. So the argument that whites and others "stole" this land from the NA is moot. Also, the statement that "We are all illegal immigrants, becase we stole the land from the Native Americans". Not so. The Native Americans had no immigration laws to break. In fact, they welcomed the pilgrims. Therefore, the Pilgrims were not illegal immigrants.Baconbits2004

Isn't Alaska part of North America? There for, if you came from Alaska you are indeed a Native American.

It's part of it now. o.O or have we really mislabeled the Latinos? their real name is native American? o.o;

I meant part of the continent of North America.

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#40 theone86
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[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]It's part of it now. o.O or have we really mislabeled the Latinos? their real name is native American? o.o;Dark_Knight6

The Latino population in the Americas came from Spain in the form of settlers.

Actually, in the southern parts of America the native populations are mostly descended from a mixed heritage of native ancestors and Spanish settlers, you didn't get as much of that in the northern areas.

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#42 RobboElRobbo
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The vikings were here first. Beat that.

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#43 theone86
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The vikings were here first. Beat that.

RobboElRobbo

Some of my ancestry goes back to that area, I guess that means my people rightly rule the Earth. There are going to be some major changes around here.

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#44 topgunmv
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New findings actually suggest Europeans settled the continent before the settlers from the bering strait arrived, and that the two cultures eventually met and formed the peoples and cultures that we consider native americans.

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#45 shinian
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So everyones from central Africa? Is that your point?

Cruse34

That would make all residents of USA - afroamerican *head explodes*

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#46 Lonelynight
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It's just a way to distinguish people of different origins.
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#47 Dark_Knight6
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New findings actually suggest Europeans settled the continent before the settlers from the bering strait arrived, and that the two cultures eventually met and formed the peoples and cultures that we consider native americans.

topgunmv

Do you have some kind of a link?

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#48 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

New findings actually suggest Europeans settled the continent before the settlers from the bering strait arrived, and that the two cultures eventually met and formed the peoples and cultures that we consider native americans.

Dark_Knight6

Do you have some kind of a link?

The history channel just ran a program about it a few weeks ago.

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#49 Clickme_now
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To the best of our knowledge, yes, Native Americans crossed the Bering Straight and populated North and South America. Fact of the matter is, they were there before any Europeans settlers, and claimed that land for their own. When European settlers came over to the Americas, they forcefully took that land. And in some case, enslaved and butchered the natives. The land was stolen and the natives were continually pushed westward.

Dark_Knight6
The "Native" Americans didn't claim anything as their own, besides small viliages where they tempoarily resided.
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#50 Hewkii
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The "Native" Americans didn't claim anything as their own, besides small viliages where they tempoarily resided.Clickme_now
does the word "Inca" mean anything to you?