There are people this close-minded out there......

I know people that actually not only disagree with gays getting married, but also disagree with abortion and stem cell research (I know about the adult stem cells already, but people are probably going to find something morally wrong about that too......)But think about it? Who wins in that scenario? Not only disagreeing with abortion but also stem cell research as well.......I know about my sig being a little contradictory.......but idc

That's not being close-minded at all...

Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

AngelofDeath213

like this is new news? really?...

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Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

MgamerBD

Stem Cell and Abortion don't have to do with being close-minded in my opinion. Those are moral conflicts that prevent those things.

Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

AngelofDeath213

Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

Obama is pro-choice and a Christian (I still think), but I guess he is smart enough to realize you shouldn't use the bible to try and govern a nation.

And the sky is blue too....

[QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"]

Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

jaydough

[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"]

Your post + sig = irony. What Christian would completely support abortion?

AngelofDeath213

[QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"][QUOTE="jaydough"] ... Me? jaydough

[QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"][QUOTE="jaydough"] ... Me? jaydough

On the contrary, I think people who DO support abortion are closed-minded. They simply accept the mainstream opinion on the matter and dismiss anyone with a different perspective as a religious nutjob. savebattery

I will dismiss anyone who wants their own moral beliefs lording over my body. If you don't support abortion, don't get one. You (generally) don't have to be a religious nutjob to have some kind of inflated ego and overbearing sense of moral obligation that feeds your desire to control womens' bodies for your own peace of mind.

[QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Not always. It can be very traumatizing for the woman who's pregnant, and past the first trimester, the fetus is more than a clump of cells. jaydough

That what i assumed too... but its funny how some people like to twist words around.

[QUOTE="savebattery"]On the contrary, I think people who DO support abortion are closed-minded. They simply accept the mainstream opinion on the matter and dismiss anyone with a different perspective as a religious nutjob. binpink

I will dismiss anyone who wants their own moral beliefs lording over my body. If you don't support abortion, don't get one. You (generally) don't have to be a religious nutjob to have some kind of inflated ego and overbearing sense of moral obligation that feeds your desire to control womens' bodies for your own peace of mind.

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Not always. It can be very traumatizing for the woman who's pregnant, and past the first trimester, the fetus is more than a clump of cells. jaydough

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[QUOTE="savebattery"]On the contrary, I think people who DO support abortion are closed-minded. They simply accept the mainstream opinion on the matter and dismiss anyone with a different perspective as a religious nutjob. savebattery

I will dismiss anyone who wants their own moral beliefs lording over my body. If you don't support abortion, don't get one. You (generally) don't have to be a religious nutjob to have some kind of inflated ego and overbearing sense of moral obligation that feeds your desire to control womens' bodies for your own peace of mind.

And you have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Seems convenient for you. If a woman is forced to have a child she's pregnant with it is indeed a matter of controlling her body. You may not want to believe it, because maybe you'd find it tough to look a raped 13 year old pregnant girl in the face and tell her that she HAS to keep the baby and then go on and on about the cells and how it's living and how it's not about her. If you had a huge mouth I suppose it'd be easy for you to do something like that and actually convince her she's not a prisoner to a fate she didn't ask for. Until then, you're excused.

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="jaydough"] ...Connected in a way to provide the sensation of thought and/or pain. In the first trimester, a fetus has literally no brain waves. jaydough

TC, you're close minded by rejecting others' opinions.cpo335

And you have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Seems convenient for you. If a woman is forced to have a child she's pregnant with it is indeed a matter of controlling her body. You may not want to believe it, because maybe you'd find it tough to look a raped 13 year old pregnant girl in the face and tell her that she HAS to keep the baby and then go on and on about the cells and how it's living and how it's not about her. If you had a huge mouth I suppose it'd be easy for you to do something like that and actually convince her she's not a prisoner to a fate she didn't ask for. Until then, you're excused.

binpink

[QUOTE="binpink"]And you have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Seems convenient for you. If a woman is forced to have a child she's pregnant with it is indeed a matter of controlling her body. You may not want to believe it, because maybe you'd find it tough to look a raped 13 year old pregnant girl in the face and tell her that she HAS to keep the baby and then go on and on about the cells and how it's living and how it's not about her. If you had a huge mouth I suppose it'd be easy for you to do something like that and actually convince her she's not a prisoner to a fate she didn't ask for. Until then, you're excused.

savebattery

That usually almost never applies in this situation......why? Women know when they getting raped and usually a dna test is enough evidence to sentence the rapist. The women has no obligation to take care of the rapist child.....why? Because she got raped......

[QUOTE="binpink"]And you have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Seems convenient for you. If a woman is forced to have a child she's pregnant with it is indeed a matter of controlling her body. You may not want to believe it, because maybe you'd find it tough to look a raped 13 year old pregnant girl in the face and tell her that she HAS to keep the baby and then go on and on about the cells and how it's living and how it's not about her. If you had a huge mouth I suppose it'd be easy for you to do something like that and actually convince her she's not a prisoner to a fate she didn't ask for. Until then, you're excused.

savebattery

You'd really make a raped young girl have her rapist's baby? That's a disturbing mentality and goes the show how extreme you are on the issue. I'll go to bed happy you have no control over my uterus. I wouldn't feel terribly bad, though, if you stayed up all night fretting about all the abortions that'll happen tomorrow. Particularly for the abortions performed for rape victims.

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Well, what you were saying was that all life is essentially a clump of cells. All I said was that there's a big difference between, say, a dog, and a random clump of cells. jaydough

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[QUOTE="binpink"]And you have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Seems convenient for you. If a woman is forced to have a child she's pregnant with it is indeed a matter of controlling her body. You may not want to believe it, because maybe you'd find it tough to look a raped 13 year old pregnant girl in the face and tell her that she HAS to keep the baby and then go on and on about the cells and how it's living and how it's not about her. If you had a huge mouth I suppose it'd be easy for you to do something like that and actually convince her she's not a prisoner to a fate she didn't ask for. Until then, you're excused.

binpink

You'd really make a raped young girl have her rapist's baby? That's a disturbing mentality and goes the show how extreme you are on the issue. I'll go to bed happy you have no control over my uterus. I wouldn't feel terribly bad, though, if you stayed up all night fretting about all the abortions that'll happen tomorrow. Particularly for the abortions performed for rape victims.

[QUOTE="savebattery"]

[QUOTE="binpink"]And you have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies? Seems convenient for you. If a woman is forced to have a child she's pregnant with it is indeed a matter of controlling her body. You may not want to believe it, because maybe you'd find it tough to look a raped 13 year old pregnant girl in the face and tell her that she HAS to keep the baby and then go on and on about the cells and how it's living and how it's not about her. If you had a huge mouth I suppose it'd be easy for you to do something like that and actually convince her she's not a prisoner to a fate she didn't ask for. Until then, you're excused.

Cokelore

That usually almost never applies in this situation......why? Women know when they getting raped and usually a dna test is enough evidence to sentence the rapist. The women has no obligation to take care of the rapist child.....why? Because she got raped......

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Yes, but despite it being in the same species, doesn't mean it deserves the exact same treatment. There are many different factors you need to take into consideration. Would you rather have a person born without the bulk of its brain killed, or a person with a fully functioning brain killed, if you had no choice? jaydough

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Fine. In this scenario, a serial killer is forcing you to choose, or both die. And slavery and the holocaust were brought upon by the notion of other races being inferior, without any evidence. Now we have a large amount of evidence pointing towards a fetus not technically being completely human. Give a fetus an IQ test. See if he/she scores 100. If it does, I'll eat my hat. jaydough

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[QUOTE="savebattery"] Rape is a horribly unfortunate circumstance, but you cannot punish the child for the crimes of his father.

savebattery

You'd really make a raped young girl have her rapist's baby? That's a disturbing mentality and goes the show how extreme you are on the issue. I'll go to bed happy you have no control over my uterus. I wouldn't feel terribly bad, though, if you stayed up all night fretting about all the abortions that'll happen tomorrow. Particularly for the abortions performed for rape victims.

We differ on what a "person" is. Hopefully now that you know that you'll refrain from putting words in my mouth, so to speak. Although since you disagree with me on all of this, you likely will anyway. Ah well. I will do whatever I want with my own body knowing that nothing I do can come close to the gross unfairnesses that you support. Feel free to go on about how I'm an unfair murderer and yadda yadda, but I stopped taking you totally seriously when you made it clear you'd like a raped young girl to give birth to her rapist's baby. That's a whole other level of sick and cruel that I don't want to continue going back and forth with.

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We differ on what a "person" is. Hopefully now that you know that you'll refrain from putting words in my mouth, so to speak. Although since you disagree with me on all of this, you likely will anyway. Ah well. I will do whatever I want with my own body knowing that nothing I do can come close to the gross unfairnesses that you support. Feel free to go on about how I'm an unfair murderer and yadda yadda, but I stopped taking you totally seriously when you made it clear you'd like a raped young girl to give birth to her rapist's baby. That's a whole other level of sick and cruel that I don't want to continue going back and forth with.

binpink

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="jaydough"] The newborn, technically speaking. jaydough

so im close minded because i think all humans deserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. kool!Silenthps

So basically all of you are saying to the rapist girl "Get over it"? Even though getting raped was completely out of her own free will?? LOLS Oh and that the rapist should be supported by the court justice system? Why, because the raped life-long traumatized women was lying and could be plotting something to get someone's money?? If you can think that deeply into other people's morals then think this......what happens if the raped women commits suicide?? What happens if the not only had rapped mom commit sucide but now also had baby left without parents barely struggles in today's society....Oh no all the variables!!

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]so im close minded because i think all humans deserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. kool!Cokelore

So basically all of you are saying to the rapist girl "Get over it"? Even though getting raped was completely out of her own free will?? LOLS

Abortion is a blatant human rights violation, pure and simple. We discriminated against blacks until the 70's, women until the 30's (many would say we still discriminate against both of these groups), the Japanese in the 40's, and now we are discriminating against are own children. We are destroying endless amounts of human potential, endless amounts of human minds that could make countless contributions to our world...all in order to protect a so-called "right to privacy" that an activist judge fabricated because he didn't agree with the text of our nation's constitution. It has given one group in America the power to choose who lives and who dies based on their personal feelings. It draws a wonderful parallel to the Third Reich in Nazi Germany where Hitler and his fascist friends decided, arbitrarily, that Aryans should reproduce but Jews, gays, blacks, and Asians should all be murdered. Abortion is genocide in it's most fundamental form, and it's sickening.

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We differ on what a "person" is. Hopefully now that you know that you'll refrain from putting words in my mouth, so to speak. Although since you disagree with me on all of this, you likely will anyway. Ah well. I will do whatever I want with my own body knowing that nothing I do can come close to the gross unfairnesses that you support. Feel free to go on about how I'm an unfair murderer and yadda yadda, but I stopped taking you totally seriously when you made it clear you'd like a raped young girl to give birth to her rapist's baby. That's a whole other level of sick and cruel that I don't want to continue going back and forth with.

savebattery

Thank you for the combined biology/history lesson.

You still can't stop me from having an abortion. Perhaps that's what bothers you the most.

You kinda shot yourself in the foot with that signature, bud.