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The United States is currently over 11 trillion dollars in debt. Thats 11 with twelve zeros, 14 if you go after the decimal point. I have come up with the most ingenious way to fix this problem. Borrow more money. When we borrow money, the lending country's economy inflates, which means that in their country the value of an individual dollar goes up, but their money overall on a global scale is worth less than before. So my plan is we borrow them until they are bankrupt. Once they have almost no money left, their economy will be in worse shape than ours because they'll have no money, and we'll have all of theirs. Then we use all our money internally and keep it away from the other countries so all they can do is make more currency, thus ruining their economy even further by flooding it with new money. So basically, we keep borrowing money, borrow so much money from other countries until they refuse to let us borrow more, and then continue borrowing anyway.

Now, you're probable asking why they would lend us all this money, or at least why they would give us money after it started hurting them even a little. But what you are failing to keep in mind is that we are America. And America doesn't care what the world thinks, because we are obviously better than them and much more badass. I mean, what other country is so badass that they get 11 trillion in debt, and still are the most powerful country in the world? That's right, none of them. And if any country complains, I have a nuke the shape of a penis with their name on it. Better, we have over 9,000 nukes with the rest of the world's name on it. So try to stop us from "borrowing" all that money. Do it, you won't. (See, I told you they wouldn't, if they had, you wouldn't be reading this.) And as far as paying all this money back, need I direct you once again to the We're-American-so-we-do-what-we-want Clause? So in short, we won't pay you back, because the money was ours to begin with. All property of the world is that of the United States, that's just common knowledge. So in short, to the other countries in the world, give us your money, and enjoy your AIDS.If I dont say it who will

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#3 xDeathKittenx
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I think xDurdenx is a pretty cool guy, eh saves the economy and doesn't afraid of anything.
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#4 xDeathKittenx
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Yo dawg, do people not care about the economy or something?
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#5 xscott1018
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i don't think that would work out to much. the countries could say no screw u and not give any money. i have to say that the government should just print more money out.
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#6 lettuceman44
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i don't think that would work out to much. the countries could say no screw u and not give any money. i have to say that the government should just print more money out. xscott1018
we got nukes......over 9000 of them :P. Btw,the blog is a joke one
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#7 CleanPlayer
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we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana!
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#8 vibrantdesign
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i don't think that would work out to much. the countries could say no screw u and not give any money. i have to say that the government should just print more money out. xscott1018

Only would decrease the value of the dollar further more.

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#9 bluezy
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we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! CleanPlayer
And legalize baby-eating as a method of population control:roll:
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#10 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! bluezy
And legalize baby-eating as a method of population control:roll:

That's a little extreme. Don't you think?
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#11 Mr_Oblivio
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we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! CleanPlayer

That would bring in some revenue, but not enough really. 11 Trillion dollars is a lot.

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#12 bluezy
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! CleanPlayer
And legalize baby-eating as a method of population control:roll:

That's a little extreme. Don't you think?

Legalizing marijuana will solve the national debt?
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#13 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! CleanPlayer
And legalize baby-eating as a method of population control:roll:

That's a little extreme. Don't you think?

Indeed. It'd be much easier and more efficient to recycle them.
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#14 clubsammich91
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Unless I see the words "marijuana legalization" I'm not interested.
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#15 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! Mr_Oblivio

That would bring in some revenue, but not enough really. 11 Trillion dollars is a lot.

Never underestimate stoners;)
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#16 bluezy
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For those interested, NPR recently did a report on a possible scenario if marijuana was indeed legalized.
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#17 clubsammich91
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For those interested, NPR recently did a report on a possible scenario if marijuana was indeed legalized.bluezy
I still say its long overdue to legalize it. It would cut crime and put a little extra cash in our flat broke pockets. Marijuana is no worse than alcohol. You will never get people to stop using it so just decriminalize it.

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#18 CleanPlayer
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="bluezy"] And legalize baby-eating as a method of population control:roll:

That's a little extreme. Don't you think?

Legalizing marijuana will solve the national debt?

I must say, it won't make up 11 trillion dollars...maybe a global bakesale or lemonade stand will do it.
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#19 matenmoe
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Um- I think that's what they're already trying to do nowdays. (Everybody's in trouble with credit). What about having a Global Bailout? Give us the money because you all love to hate America. By contributing to our bailout, you can continue to have someone to blame! Priceless.

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Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

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Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

Hot-Tamale

And you still won't have enough money to pay off the debt. Hur hur let's raise taxes on the Millionaire's! Because there are so many millionaire's in the U.S. that we'll be able to pay off 11+ trillion $ of debt! Yeah!. You see where this is going?

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For those interested, NPR recently did a report on a possible scenario if marijuana was indeed legalized.bluezy
I'm all for legalization, but that was pretty dumb.

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For those interested, NPR recently did a report on a possible scenario if marijuana was indeed legalized.bluezy
I listened to that "scenario" when it aired. That windbag is the most incompetent dolt to grace NPR in over a decade.

Furthermore, your reference to Swift's A Modest Proposal as a counterpoint to the apparent absurdity of marijuana legalization was ineffectual, and made absolutely no sense.

The blog in question ended with the sound of crickets. The satire is sophomoric. I'm not even quite sure what it is that he/she is satirizing?

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Yea, lets leech the money out of all the other countries and when they need it back just give them the middle finger. I'm sure that will go over very well.

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#25 Acemaster27
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Here's how we do it. Get out of these stupid wars, then cut military spending in half (we'll still be spending twice as much on our military than any other nation). Then with the $100-$200 billion we save on military spending each year to slowly but surely pay off the debt.
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we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! CleanPlayer

Yeah, but that means they would have to WANT to actually fix things.

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Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

Hot-Tamale

Sure, problem solved :roll:...all of those corporations and rich business owners will then pay their employees (you and me) lower wages, and they will charge their consumers (you and me) more for their products. If we impose price caps or force corporations to pay disproportionately high wages, then they will simply move their headquarters to somewhere like Ireland where the taxes on business are minimal, and our economy will suffer more than it is now. And by the way, the United States already has the highest corporate tax rate in the world at 39.6%...yes, higher than any tax rate in Europe. Look it up. Additionally, taxing rich individuals in America will just make them invest overseas instead, also furthering our recession. I hope you never work for the government.

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[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

its_me_

Sure, problem solved :roll:...all of those corporations and rich business owners will then pay their employees (you and me) lower wages, and they will charge their consumers (you and me) more for their products. If we impose price caps or force corporations to pay disproportionately high wages, then they will simply move their headquarters to somewhere like Ireland where the taxes on business are minimal, and our economy will suffer more than it is now. And by the way, the United States already has the highest corporate tax rate in the world at 39.6%...yes, higher than any tax rate in Europe. Look it up. Additionally, taxing rich individuals in America will just make them invest overseas instead, also furthering our recession. I hope you never work for the government.

Thank you for not being obtuse.
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[QUOTE="its_me_"]

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

YourChaosIsntMe

Sure, problem solved :roll:...all of those corporations and rich business owners will then pay their employees (you and me) lower wages, and they will charge their consumers (you and me) more for their products. If we impose price caps or force corporations to pay disproportionately high wages, then they will simply move their headquarters to somewhere like Ireland where the taxes on business are minimal, and our economy will suffer more than it is now. And by the way, the United States already has the highest corporate tax rate in the world at 39.6%...yes, higher than any tax rate in Europe. Look it up. Additionally, taxing rich individuals in America will just make them invest overseas instead, also furthering our recession. I hope you never work for the government.

Thank you for not being obtuse.

I'm more of the acute type.

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Screw Marijuana, legalize PROSTITUTION.
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Screw Marijuana, legalize PROSTITUTION.Famiking
Decriminalize marijuana, and legalize prostitution. ;)
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Big business lobbyist have the U.S. legislature on a leash. Why haven't we put a major tax/tariff on offshore outsourcing yet? Because the corporations don't want that. Obama said he would do this, but I'm still waiting.

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WE CAN'T A NEW WORLD ORDER IS IMMINENT! WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE!

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

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This.

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Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

Hot-Tamale

Yes, punish the productive people with money that have the power and resources to create jobs. That will stimluate the economy for sure!:roll:

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Big business lobbyist have the U.S. legislature on a leash. Why haven't we put a major tax/tariff on offshore outsourcing yet? Because the corporations don't want that. Obama said he would do this, but I'm still waiting.

Ace_WondersX

Because it will causes prices to rise on just about everything....

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His blog posts would be funny if they weren't so damn immature.
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we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! CleanPlayer
Any money gained from marijuana will have to be spent on mental health.
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What happens when the people we borrow from don't lend us more? Plan failed. Borrowing money is not the solution. In order for a free economy to work, we must have sound money like gold and silver. That is the only way to genuinely progress. The value of fiat money is controlled by people, the value of gold and silver is controlled by its limited supply.
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The day i listen to, or even read, one single word from someone who puts an 'x' in their name to they can sue their name, or to try and be 'original' is the day Jesus walks the earth again.
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#40 pink_floyd123
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I say we just default on all of our loans. Problem solved? Oh, we might get nuked. It's alright though.

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.... The very first parts are completely wrong.. We are not 11 trillion in debt. We are more like 55 trillion in debt.. That first number is suppose to be the "nice number" that makes you think "Oh thats not that much compared to the other".. When infact its really the other number, the social security crisis will be hitting us in 5 to 10 years time when one of hte largest demographic, the baby boomers, become elgible.. There is no sound way to take it away instantly.. First things first is to get our economy back on track before you worry about the debt, than it will be smart spending and taxation.. While cutting things such as our insanely high military budget, and other such things.
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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

Yes, punish the productive people with money that have the power and resources to create jobs. That will stimluate the economy for sure!:roll:

Yeah because Bush's tax plan in which he rewarded the so called "productive" people, worked so well with creating jobs..
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What happens when the people we borrow from don't lend us more? Plan failed. Borrowing money is not the solution. In order for a free economy to work, we must have sound money like gold and silver. That is the only way to genuinely progress. The value of fiat money is controlled by people, the value of gold and silver is controlled by its limited supply.MotherSuperior
The commodities-based monetary system was one of the primary factors in the Great Depression.

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[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]What happens when the people we borrow from don't lend us more? Plan failed. Borrowing money is not the solution. In order for a free economy to work, we must have sound money like gold and silver. That is the only way to genuinely progress. The value of fiat money is controlled by people, the value of gold and silver is controlled by its limited supply.YourChaosIsntMe
Commodities-based monetary systems were one of the primary factors in the Great Depression.

I also would like to point out that the economy and big businesses really didn't give much of a option to not borrow.. Prices have gone up in things like education, while wages of stagnated.. I believe right now our minimum wage has some of the smallest spending power sense the 1970s or 60s is it? I mean its like once in a blue moon I ever see a person in or just out of college who is notneck deep in debt.. THan we have things like increasing health insurance.. Take a look at the Bush tax cuts era for the past 8 years.. With nothing else but this, we have seen the housing market in buying things were dominated by the extremely rich buying homes or sometimes multiple homes. It has caused a glut at the top where we are top heavy and the lower half often times is forced to get loans or their loans are misrepesented as we saw with the housing problem.. Where good tax payers and people in general were forclosed on homes that they were misbelieved to have fixed rates. Its alot of problems that hopefully can be fixed in the next decade that would prevent this kind of stuff from happening again.. Where wages stagnate, borrowing becomes rampent, there is a glut of money at the top that is either getting transfered to industries over seas, or is being used to fund in gambling with the Stock market.

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Borrowing is neither positive nor negative; it's ultimately contextual whether or not it has a net positive or net negative effect on GDP/PI/GNI/et cetera (or, in short, the economy as a whole and any measure of the economy's productivity). The issue is how much borrowing occurs, at what interest rate, and with what terms for individuals or firms, and in aggregate. The value of fiat currency is not controlled by people, as MotherSuperior implies. Rather, it is governed by the market system in and of itself, and debt or borrowing plays a major role in influencing the value of currency in terms of the foreign exchange market (positively or negatively). A fiat monetary system cannot operate without debt. The problem with debt is closely related the percent change of the cost of living and the percent change in average PI (average in terms of mode with consideration for a standard deviation), as you implied, and is also related to personal debt and/or government debt as a percentage of GDP. Debt is an important part of the economic system, but our current situation makes it blatantly clear that the consideration for and impact of debt is not simple.

It is not simply about fixed rates on mortgages. In fact, fixed rates are generally counterproductive in their aggregate effect. While there is some degree of deviation from this assumption, it is generally true. The financial system could not ever operate at capacity if fixed rates on various types of loans became prevalent. Likewise, fixed rates can often screw the borrower anyway. Predatory lending in general was far more influential in the housing market crash. Some examples include pressuring borrowers into accepting loans for which their income was not sufficient and convincing borrowers that interest only loans at 12-72 months with deferred payment of the principle amount would be financially advantageous. It primarily becomes an ethical concern. I have read examples of so-called "predatory" lending contracts, and while some are legitimately predatory, most which are vilified as predatory are not. This begs the question, who is responsible? Such "predatory" loans can be both advantageous and disadvantageous, depending on the intent of the property owner. Should the buyer bear the full responsibility to understand the terms of a contract? In terms of ethical theory or moral standards, should banks and other financial institutions be responsible for what is ultimately a fact of the human condition (the fact that many people simply are not well-educated, generally speaking)? Should the due diligence required of financial institutions be more thorough than they currently are? Should oversight of individual employees whom often work on commission be more regulated by their peers and supervisors? The answer, of course, is yes. Some of the basic tenets of capitalism, financing, trade, the banking system, etc. must change, and currently are. Lending standards have remained relatively static, with some minimal reform and regulation, for over a century. The standards are validated by the assumption that all parties do or will understand the terms of the contract. Decade after decade, more people enter the financial system in some way, and many of these people are uninformed. Many of the people in the financial system understand this, and have exploited the situation, if only in subtle ways.

An issue I have with your statement arises with the implication that the relationship between the stagnation of average personal income and increased borrowing is somehow influenced by "big business" and "government." The change or lack of change in income over a set period of time is dependent on a number of factors, most of which aren't really controllable (though they can be controlled by the federal government and/or unions, though generally in favor of the employee). Likewise, healthcare insurance costs increasing is a necessity. The solution does not lay in criticizing the employers. The solution is a federal healthcare provider (or, less attractively, federally subsidized insurance through private providers). If any entity is to blame here, it is the healthcare industry itself.

I think you should try to shy away from the class based perspective of wealthy vs. lower/middle class and broad terms like "big business" and "government." It is not a criticism, just a suggestion. Such a perspective is often conducive to formulating opinions and arguments that aren't cogent or valid (and often undermines one's ability to understand a given subject). It's important to remember that "the glut at the top" is caused by both an increase in income for the top 1-10% of Americans and an increase of the percentage of the population in the middle class or lower. The government is no longer a product of one group of people, with one set of interests. There are lobbyists for every industry, and every segment of society. The interests of the poor and the wealthy have the capacity to have a negative effect on the economy equally. Anyway...I'm going to stop now. Sometimes I just keep going and going on economics (though some of this will make a good post for my discussion topic next week in class...so I guess it's not all for naught).

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#46 YourChaosIsntMe
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

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Ummm, we raise taxes on multinational corporations for operating in our country and further raise taxes on the multimillionaires residing in our country, like they do in Europe.

Yes, punish the productive people with money that have the power and resources to create jobs. That will stimluate the economy for sure!:roll:

Yeah because Bush's tax plan in which he rewarded the so called "productive" people, worked so well with creating jobs..

You're exactly right, but stop saying Bush. America's richest individuals are only taxed 40% of their income, while France's, for example, are taxed roughly 80% of their income. The tax rate on income and/or sales needs to increase drastically, while our governments (Germany and the U.S. to be specific) develop a UN resolution and international law to criminalize the use of "tax havens" and other means of legal money laundering. Raising taxes on multinational firms operating in the U.S. is just...silly, though I know that you didn't propose this, Hot-Tamale did. Anyway, cutting taxes only generates an increase in productivity in theory, not necessarily (and the converse doesn't necessarily have the opposite effect either).
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#47 Famiking
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Nationalizing businesses is a good way to reduce tax.
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i don't think that would work out to much. the countries could say no screw u and not give any money. i have to say that the government should just print more money out. xscott1018

now thats what i call thinking outside of the box ;)

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i don't think that would work out to much. the countries could say no screw u and not give any money. i have to say that the government should just print more money out. xscott1018
...You can't just print more money out, you have to have gold backing that money up, otherwise you're just making the value of the dollar less and less every time you print money.
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]we could get rid of our debt by legalizing marijuana! Big_Bad_Sad
Any money gained from marijuana will have to be spent on mental health.

ignorance, bias, and hopefully sarcasm at its best.