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its been some years know, but i still remember this theory, i found it cool back then. His classes were pretty interesting, he was a cool guy, very charismatic.

So the theory was like this:

To go to point A to point B, from your house to your job for example, first you need to get to half of that path.

to get from A to B....

A B

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.....first you need to get to C.......

A C

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....but before you get to C, you obviously need to pass trough D

A D

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But to get to D you need to pass trough E first, and so on

A E

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This is will get you to the point that its the size of an atom. And even tough, we know that atoms have even small particles, has protons and electrons for example. And even there, we can continue to get even smaller sizes, and so on, and so on till infintum. cause an atom can be divided infinite times.

So theoretically we cant really get to point B in this theory. I dunno, i dont believe any of this, but what you think about it? i was a kid so i found it cool back then, and the way he explained was pretty cool, everyone in the class was pretty interesting in it. It was pretty rare to see the entire class so interested in anything. thers always someone talking and not paying any attention to the class ( i was one of those cases in many ocasions), but in this class everyone was so quiet listening to it. His classes were pretty cool, but it only lasted 2-3 months cause we changed teacher.

bad english i know.

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It's not your teacher's theory :| An ancient Greek philosopher came up with that. I think it was Epicurius (???)
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#3 metroidfood
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I didn't know your teacher was Greek.

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its been some years know, but i still remember this theory, i found it cool back then. His classes were pretty interesting, he was a cool guy, very charismatic.

So the theory was like this:

To go to point A to point B, from your house to your job for example, first you need to get to half of that path.

to get from A to B....

A B

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

.....first you need to get to C.......

A C

------------------------------------------------------------------

....but before you get to C, you obviously need to pass trough D

A D

------------------------------

But to get to D you need to pass trough E first, and so on

A E

----------------

This is will get you to the point that its the size of an atom. And even tough, we know that atoms have even small particles, has protons and electrons for example. And even there, we can continue to get even smaller sizes, and so on, and so on till infintum. cause an atom can be divided infinite times.

So theoretically we cant really get to point B in this theory. I dunno, i dont believe any of this, but what you think about it? i was a kid so i found it cool back then, and the way he explained was pretty cool, everyone in the class was pretty interesting in it. It was pretty rare to see the entire class so interested in anything. thers always someone talking and not paying any attention to the class ( i was one of those cases in many ocasions), but in this class everyone was so quiet listening to it. His classes were pretty cool, but it only lasted 2-3 months cause we changed teacher.

bad english i know.

Drakes_Fortune
It seems rather confusing, yet a little interesting.
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It's not your teacher's theory :| An ancient Greek philosopher came up with that. I think it was Epicurius (???)hamstergeddon
Zeno's paradox.
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#6 mrbojangles25
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I think your teacher ate a special, magical cookie or other baked good.

Was his theory promptly followed with "Dude, wait, what were we talking about?"

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I don't get what you are saying exactly...
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#8 LZ71
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Sounds like that turtle riddle.
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It's not your teacher's theory :| An ancient Greek philosopher came up with that. I think it was Epicurius (???)hamstergeddon
yeah might be true. i think he mencioned that. he was a philosophy teacher after all, he knows a lot but those greek things.
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#10 r-teest
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sounds....jolly

seriously though, who would think of that...?

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It's not your teacher's theory :| An ancient Greek philosopher came up with that. I think it was Epicurius (???)hamstergeddon
Zeno's paradox?
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Isn't this Zeno's paradox? *sees later posts* Yeah...
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#13 Drakes_Fortune
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Sounds like that turtle riddle. LZ71
i think he mentioned that one too. can you tell me about that one?
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I never really understood it but apparently Max Planck posited that all measurements have a kind of in-built graininess, so that there is effectively a minimum traversible unit of space.
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#15 Colin1192
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so he taught you the alphabet.

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its not the turtle one, just read wikipedia. its The dichotomy paradox. its similar to the turtle one, but this one seems more complex and interesting. the conclusion of this theory is travel over any finite distance can neither be completed nor begun, and so all motion must be an illusion. i think thats what my teacher said.
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That theory only works if you agree to its principles, namely: going half of the distance, then half of THAT distance, and so on. Doesn't work in real life.
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#18 Drakes_Fortune
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so he taught you the alphabet.

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what you mean? are you trying to be a jerk?
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What? Why would I have to pass through point D to get to point C? doesn't work like that.
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That theory only works if you agree to its principles, namely: going half of the distance, then half of THAT distance, and so on. Doesn't work in real life.cheeselover
wait, so you dont need to go half of the distance in real life? you just teleport there or something?
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#21 RevolutionGun
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Basic logic really. Start at point A and head towards to point B. When you find a Greek halfway through telling you his theory punch him right in the loins and continue walking to point B. Stop at point B. Am I right or am I wrong?

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No. Quantum mechanics says you could have just skipped over being at exactly C and never even touched it.

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What? Why would I have to pass through point D to get to point C? doesn't work like that. Brainkiller05
to get to point D dont you need first to go trough half of distance? to run the 100m for example, dont you need to run the first 50m first? and the firs 25m before that? and so on
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I don't get it, is there a moral to the story?

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[QUOTE="cheeselover"]That theory only works if you agree to its principles, namely: going half of the distance, then half of THAT distance, and so on. Doesn't work in real life.Drakes_Fortune
wait, so you dont need to go half of the distance in real life? you just teleport there or something?

these "half-way points" exist they just don't matter, hence them not getting labelled a letter.
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Also, Hawking says the atom is not infinitely divisible because eventually the energy of the particles increase to the point where they themselves become black holes.
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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

so he taught you the alphabet.

Drakes_Fortune

what you mean? are you trying to be a jerk?

he taught you the order of the alphabet. start at A then go to B and through C and so on

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I don't get it, is there a moral to the story?

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yes, that all motion is nothing but an illusion. according to that theory of course. and in theory that paradox isnt wrong.
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[QUOTE="cheeselover"]That theory only works if you agree to its principles, namely: going half of the distance, then half of THAT distance, and so on. Doesn't work in real life.Drakes_Fortune
wait, so you dont need to go half of the distance in real life? you just teleport there or something?

No, but your footsteps end up being more than half the distance after a certain point. Unless you choose to walk 0.0000000001 mm and so on.
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="Colin1192"]

so he taught you the alphabet.

Colin1192

what you mean? are you trying to be a jerk?

he taught you the order of the alphabet. start at A then go to B and through C and so on

Very good observation Johnson. What if the individual walking does not use the English alphabet?
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="cheeselover"]That theory only works if you agree to its principles, namely: going half of the distance, then half of THAT distance, and so on. Doesn't work in real life.cheeselover
wait, so you dont need to go half of the distance in real life? you just teleport there or something?

No, but your footsteps end up being more than half the distance after a certain point. Unless you choose to walk 0.0000000001 mm and so on.

yes. before you walk 0.0000000000001 first you need to walk 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001and so on, this will lead to an infinite number. you cant just skip the distance no matter how small it is, that way you would be teleporting.

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i find paradoxes interesting. greeks were really advanced for their time.

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[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

I don't get it, is there a moral to the story?

Drakes_Fortune
yes, that all motion is nothing but an illusion. according to that theory of course. and in theory that paradox isnt wrong.

If you want to annoy your teacher, you should look up Planck's constant. As far as I understand it, Planck's theory explained that movement isn't infinitely divisible and that energy comes in lumps, if you like (quanta), not as a fluid.
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#34 cheeselover
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Dude. No, just no. There is no law that states that we must be bound to walking these half distance. We just walk, that's it. When we get to point A, we're done. Boom. Happy ending.
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[QUOTE="cheeselover"][QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] wait, so you dont need to go half of the distance in real life? you just teleport there or something?Drakes_Fortune

No, but your footsteps end up being more than half the distance after a certain point. Unless you choose to walk 0.0000000001 mm and so on.

yes. before you walk 0.0000000000001 first you need to walk 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001and so on, this will lead to an infinite number. you cant just skip the distance no matter how small it is, that way you would be teleporting.

Are you saying that I can't walk out of my room right now? :|
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#36 dark-warmachine
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TC, Why not rename point C to any of the following? point A ------- Aa - Ab - Ac - Ad - Ae,etc. ---- point B

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[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

I don't get it, is there a moral to the story?

Drakes_Fortune

yes, that all motion is nothing but an illusion. according to that theory of course. and in theory that paradox isnt wrong.

All paradox are wrong. Paradox only exist in that they are examples of gaps in humans ability to reason. IF you ever encounter a paradox then you're logic is flawed to begin with.

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i dunt get it
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Dude. No, just no. There is no law that states that we must be bound to walking these half distance. We just walk, that's it. When we get to point A, we're done. Boom. Happy ending.cheeselover
its a paradox, i just find it interesting, i said in my topic i dont actually believe this is true. stop trying to be a jerk, can you proof that the theory is wrong anyway?
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

I don't get it, is there a moral to the story?

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yes, that all motion is nothing but an illusion. according to that theory of course. and in theory that paradox isnt wrong.

If you want to annoy your teacher, you should look up Planck's constant. As far as I understand it, Planck's theory explained that movement isn't infinitely divisible and that energy comes in lumps, if you like (quanta), not as a fluid.

can i get a link or something? also isnt that just a theory? just like this one? what makes that one more right?
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]

[QUOTE="cheeselover"] No, but your footsteps end up being more than half the distance after a certain point. Unless you choose to walk 0.0000000001 mm and so on.cyberdarkkid

yes. before you walk 0.0000000000001 first you need to walk 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001and so on, this will lead to an infinite number. you cant just skip the distance no matter how small it is, that way you would be teleporting.

Are you saying that I can't walk out of my room right now? :|

He's saying you can't walk out of your room without walking halfway out of your room.
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[QUOTE="cheeselover"]Dude. No, just no. There is no law that states that we must be bound to walking these half distance. We just walk, that's it. When we get to point A, we're done. Boom. Happy ending.Drakes_Fortune
its a paradox, i just find it interesting, i said in my topic i dont actually believe this is true. stop trying to be a jerk, can you proof that the theory is wrong anyway?

Why do you find flawed human reasoning interesting? since that's what all paradox are? Paradox do not exist outside of the word itself.
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Dude. No, just no. There is no law that states that we must be bound to walking these half distance. We just walk, that's it. When we get to point A, we're done. Boom. Happy ending.cheeselover
Agreed 100%
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Space is not infinitely divisible. Planck length FTW!
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] yes, that all motion is nothing but an illusion. according to that theory of course. and in theory that paradox isnt wrong. Drakes_Fortune
If you want to annoy your teacher, you should look up Planck's constant. As far as I understand it, Planck's theory explained that movement isn't infinitely divisible and that energy comes in lumps, if you like (quanta), not as a fluid.

can i get a link or something? also isnt that just a theory? just like this one? what makes that one more right?

What makes this one right is that it's got maths and stuff. I'm no quantum physicist, and I couldn't tell you whether it's right or not, but it has apparently proven useful in physics, which seems like a good first step to being considered an accurate description. Linkypoos.

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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="cheeselover"]Dude. No, just no. There is no law that states that we must be bound to walking these half distance. We just walk, that's it. When we get to point A, we're done. Boom. Happy ending.EMOEVOLUTION
its a paradox, i just find it interesting, i said in my topic i dont actually believe this is true. stop trying to be a jerk, can you proof that the theory is wrong anyway?

Why do you find flawed human reasoning interesting? since that's what all paradox are? Paradox do not exist outside of the word itself.

whatever man, why cant i find it interesting? and since when its flawed, many paradoxes cant be proved wrong.
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] If you want to annoy your teacher, you should look up Planck's constant. As far as I understand it, Planck's theory explained that movement isn't infinitely divisible and that energy comes in lumps, if you like (quanta), not as a fluid. jimmyjammer69

can i get a link or something? also isnt that just a theory? just like this one? what makes that one more right?

What makes this one right is that it's got maths and stuff. I'm no quantum physicist, and I couldn't tell you whether it's right or not, but it has apparently proven useful in physics, which seems like a good first step to being considered an accurate description. Linkypoos.

that made my head hurt, especially try to understand all of that in english. how the hell these guys come up with these things? its incredible.
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You know that's like a 10,000 year old theory right.
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] its a paradox, i just find it interesting, i said in my topic i dont actually believe this is true. stop trying to be a jerk, can you proof that the theory is wrong anyway?

Why do you find flawed human reasoning interesting? since that's what all paradox are? Paradox do not exist outside of the word itself.

whatever man, why cant i find it interesting? and since when its flawed, many paradoxes cant be proved wrong.

What? Are you confused or something. Anything that results in an "apparent PARADOX" is only an example of flawed human reasoning. As paradox themselves do not exist in reality. It's only a word to describe flawed human reasoning. That's all it is. IF you ever come across something that looks like a paradox.. it's because either your conclusion is wrong or how you reached that conclusion is wrong. In the simplest way possible.. there is no paradox that exists that is true. It's only a lack of human perception.
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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Why do you find flawed human reasoning interesting? since that's what all paradox are? Paradox do not exist outside of the word itself.EMOEVOLUTION
whatever man, why cant i find it interesting? and since when its flawed, many paradoxes cant be proved wrong.

What? Are you confused or something. Anything that results in an "apparent PARADOX" is only an example of flawed human reasoning. As paradox themselves do not exist in reality. It's only a word to describe flawed human reasoning. That's all it is. IF you ever come across something that looks like a paradox.. it's because either your conclusion is wrong or how you reached that conclusion is wrong. In the simplest way possible.. there is no paradox that exists that is true. It's only a lack of human perception.

yeah i got what you meant now. :P and your right.