Three women accuse Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] One situation allegedly involved unlawful activities.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The claim is anonymes from and from an anonmes source, there isn't any proof that he sexually harassed anyone.

ShadowMoses900

He may be oddly switching his story around, but how do you know that isn't the case of biased reporting or media spin? I have seen countless times when watching a story or interview on TV or reading about it and the reporter asks two totally different questions but edits it so it seems like he is answeringa differentquestion instead of the origional one. It happens all the time.

And even if he is really doing the "damage control" he's not the only one. Obama did it through his whole campaign with the racist church he came from.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If allegations against Cain hold true, then no.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Cain has done some shoddy damage control. First he denied there was any settlement then he later said there was a settlement and claimed ignorance on the contents of the settlement.DroidPhysX

He may be oddly switching his story around, but how do you know that isn't the case of biased reporting or media spin? I have seen countless times when watching a story or interview on TV or reading about it and the reporter asks two totally different questions but edits it so it seems like he is answeringa differentquestion instead of the origional one. It happens all the time.

And even if he is really doing the "damage control" he's not the only one. Obama did it through his whole campaign with the racist church he came from.

It doesn't matter to me if it's illegal or not, sure racism isn't illegal, but it's just as bad as sexual harrasment. It's a crime of charecter. But I don't think Obama is a racist because that's BS attack just like the BS attack on Cain.

As for the comments, Obama flip flopped on his church position a hundred times. First he said that he never went to the church then he said he went as a kid, then he said that he went his whole life, then he said that he stopped being a member. If that's not ''damge control'' than I don't know what is.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If allegations against Cain hold true, then no.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

He may be oddly switching his story around, but how do you know that isn't the case of biased reporting or media spin? I have seen countless times when watching a story or interview on TV or reading about it and the reporter asks two totally different questions but edits it so it seems like he is answeringa differentquestion instead of the origional one. It happens all the time.

And even if he is really doing the "damage control" he's not the only one. Obama did it through his whole campaign with the racist church he came from.

ShadowMoses900

It doesn't matter to me if it's illegal or not, sure racism isn't illegal, but it's just as bad as sexual harrasment. It's a crime of charecter. But I don't think Obama is a racist because that's BS attack just like the BS attack on Cain.

As for the comments, Obama flip flopped on his church position a hundred times. First he said that he never went to the church then he said he went as a kid, then he said that he went his whole life, then he said that he stopped being a member. If that's not ''damge control'' than I don't know what is.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Again, allegations against Cain concerned illegal activities. That the difference between his situation and Obamas situation. Also those sound bites did not sound edited since Cain said there was no settlement and then later said there was. I dont know how you can edit that...DroidPhysX

It doesn't matter to me if it's illegal or not, sure racism isn't illegal, but it's just as bad as sexual harrasment. It's a crime of charecter. But I don't think Obama is a racist because that's BS attack just like the BS attack on Cain.

As for the comments, Obama flip flopped on his church position a hundred times. First he said that he never went to the church then he said he went as a kid, then he said that he went his whole life, then he said that he stopped being a member. If that's not ''damge control'' than I don't know what is.

Why did Obama change his story all the time regarding his church?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It doesn't matter to me if it's illegal or not, sure racism isn't illegal, but it's just as bad as sexual harrasment. It's a crime of charecter. But I don't think Obama is a racist because that's BS attack just like the BS attack on Cain.

As for the comments, Obama flip flopped on his church position a hundred times. First he said that he never went to the church then he said he went as a kid, then he said that he went his whole life, then he said that he stopped being a member. If that's not ''damge control'' than I don't know what is.

ShadowMoses900

Why did Obama change his story all the time regarding his church?

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If its a BS attack then why did Cain claim ignorance on the settlement?DroidPhysX

Why did Obama change his story all the time regarding his church?

It's the same thing, it's all BS attacks that you don't want to admit for whatever reason. All politicians get BS attacks when they start to get "big".

Mabey Cain claimed ignorance on the settlement because he doesn't want it to distact his campaign, mabey Cain did a settlement because he was getting blackmailed and he just wanted to put it aside, at any rate there is NO proof or eveidence to support this. Just as there is no proof or evidence to suggest that Obama is a secret Muslim or a non-US citizen.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Why did Obama change his story all the time regarding his church?

ShadowMoses900

It's the same thing, it's all BS attacks that you don't want to admit for whatever reason. All politicians get BS attacks when they start to get "big".

Mabey Cain claimed ignorance on the settlement because he doesn't want it to distact his campaign, mabey Cain did a settlement because he was getting blackmailed and he just wanted to put it aside, at any rate there is NO proof or eveidence to support this. Just as there is no proof or evidence to suggest that Obama is a secret Muslim or a non-US citizen.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If allegations against Cain hold true, then no.Stevo_the_gamer

I'm not sure how those two thing seven remotely compare.

I love how Cain himself is playing the race card now.

I'm not sure how those two thing seven remotely compare.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'm not sure how those two thing seven remotely compare.

Stevo_the_gamer

The Ayers thing was a manufactured controversy tho. Nobody really cared because it wasn't a big deal. There was only a tenuous connection between Obama and Ayers.

This, if true, is more serious. However, if the allegations remain just that, allegations, he'll probably survive.

The Ayers thing was a manufactured controversy tho. GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]The Ayers thing was a manufactured controversy tho. Stevo_the_gamer

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]The Ayers thing was a manufactured controversy tho. Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]The Ayers thing was a manufactured controversy tho. GreySeal9

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]What do you call this story?Frame_Dragger

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

The lie definitely complicates the situation, kind of like how Anthony's Weiner's lies complicated his situation.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

The lie definitely complicates the situation, kind of like how Anthony's Weiner's lies complicated his situation.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It doesn't have to be sexual harrasment neseccarily, it can be anything. Romeny got accused of being in a cult by some evangilical guy, Obama got accused of being a communist and a secret muslim, it just happens to eveyone.

ShadowMoses900

The claim is anonymes from and from an anonmes source, there isn't any proof that he sexually harassed anyone.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]What do you call this story?Frame_Dragger

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

so are you saying you can never trust a liar?

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

flazzle

so are you saying you can never trust a liar?

Very nice.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't know since I have no idea if the accusations are true or not.

If they are true, then this is a legit controversy. If they are false, then it isn't.

so are you saying you can never trust a liar?

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] That was true until Cain was caught in a lie about these settlements, now he's doomed. He could have handled this in such a way that he could have simply maintained his innocence... he didn't... he lied instead.Frame_Dragger

so are you saying you can never trust a liar?

I only brought it up because of what you said about watching the Herman Cain ad with smoking.

My point should be obvious to those that know the ad

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yeah like republicans will ever vote for an African American, i could just imagine those racist stooges like sean hannity and rush limbaugh having to rally support for a black guy. lmfao it would make my day.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

so are you saying you can never trust a liar?

I only brought it up because of what you said about watching the Herman Cain ad with smoking.

My point should be obvious to those that know the ad

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] That isn't what I said, but I'm the wrong person to ask about trust anyway.Frame_Dragger

I only brought it up because of what you said about watching the Herman Cain ad with smoking.

My point should be obvious to those that know the ad

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No. you clearly implied you saw Herman Cain smoking, but that's impossible because that ad didnt have him smoking at all.

You did not watch the ad before you saw it! Its OK. Many people do that on here.

yeah like republicans will ever vote for an African American, i could just imagine those racist stooges like sean hannity and rush limbaugh having to rally support for a black guy. lmfao it would make my day.

lostfan132

how the heck is Cain winning those polls then? And who's giving him money?

I love how Cain himself is playing the race card now.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

I only brought it up because of what you said about watching the Herman Cain ad with smoking.

My point should be obvious to those that know the ad

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No. you clearly implied you saw Herman Cain smoking, but that's impossible because that ad didnt have him smoking at all.

You did not watch the ad before you saw it! Its OK. Many people do that on here.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I love how Cain himself is playing the race card now.

topsemag55

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I love how Cain himself is playing the race card now.

GreySeal9

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

Cain said he believes race is also involved "but we don't have any evidence to support it." He added: "Relative to the left, I believe that race is a bigger driving factor. I don't think it's a driving factor on the right." So he says the race issue is on the left. Link.topsemag55

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

Maybe Cain can give ol' Clarence Thomas a phone call.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Flazzle... you can assume that anytime I use the term, "rapeface" or the like, I'm not being serious.Frame_Dragger

No. you clearly implied you saw Herman Cain smoking, but that's impossible because that ad didnt have him smoking at all.

You did not watch the ad before you saw it! Its OK. Many people do that on here.

What are you talking about? What dead egg? Please explain

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"] Cain said he believes race is also involved "but we don't have any evidence to support it." He added: "Relative to the left, I believe that race is a bigger driving factor. I don't think it's a driving factor on the right." So he says the race issue is on the left. Link.topsemag55

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

Wasn't this the same guy that attacked the idea that racism still exists and said that blacks and other communities were over dramatizing racism?

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

GreySeal9

There's no evidence of race being an issue on the right, yet Republicans are routinely called racists. I'm talking about in regards to Obama, by the way.

Fair is fair.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

airshocker

There's no evidence of race being an issue on the right, yet Republicans are routinely called racists. I'm talking about in regards to Obama, by the way.

Fair is fair.

...right, yes, because when Obama was running there weren't racist comments made by Republican voters including signs, pictures, etc....yes, that never happened.

...right, yes, because when Obama was running there weren't racist comments made by Republican voters including signs, pictures, etc....yes, that never happened.

SaintLeonidas

You're talking about a small minority of the right, as I am with the left.

It's clear that the left fears their monopoly on black voters diminishing when black Republican candidates come out. Hell, it's not even just the black vote, It's minority vote in general. Just take a look at what happened with Miguel Estrada and Alberto Gonzales.

The fact of the matter is that there is absolutely no proof that Herman Cain did anything wrong, yet this is an issue? The one woman didn't even RECEIVE a settlement, she got severance pay. I find it hilarious. If Herman Cain was a Democrat and the right went after him like this, they'd be called racists immediately.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

There's no evidence of any race issue on the left, thus he's playing the race card.

sSubZerOo

Wasn't this the same guy that attacked the idea that racism still exists and said that blacks and other communities were over dramatizing racism?

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

...right, yes, because when Obama was running there weren't racist comments made by Republican voters including signs, pictures, etc....yes, that never happened.

airshocker

You're talking about a small minority of the right, as I am with the left.

It's clear that the left fears their monopoly on black voters diminishing when black Republican candidates come out. Hell, it's not even just the black vote, It's minority vote in general. Just take a look at what happened with Miguel Estrada and Alberto Gonzales.

The fact of the matter is that there is absolutely no proof that Herman Cain did anything wrong, yet this is an issue? The one woman didn't even RECEIVE a settlement, she got severance pay. I find it hilarious. If Herman Cain was a Democrat and the right went after him like this, they'd be called racists immediately.

I don't care whether he is innocent or guilty, the fact is that you claimed that there is "no evidence" of racism on the right...which is completely false, even if a small minority the right has always come off as the most outspoken/racist and all the evidence you need is the things said/done when Obama ran for President and the complete lack of those sorts of statements actions towards Cain by Democrats at the moment. And I don't care if there are racist on the left as well, I'm talking about the specific claim you made. And no, they wouldn't be called racist immediately and I'm sick of this assumption, there is nothing about ones religion or race that ever comes into play when it comes to harassment cases. People weren't calling Republicans anti-semetic when Weiner was in trouble, and they wouldn't call anyone racist if Cain was a Democrat. The only reason why the race card was ever played with Obama because there was racism in play, there were people on the right saying that because of the color of his skin he wasn't born in the US, or as I mentioned above there were people making racist and hateful comments because of his race. If that begins to happen to Cain then they certainly can play the race card, but to try to say that the only reason this harassment is an issue, even though these sorts of things happen to both sides, is just because he is black is outrageous, has nothing to do with race and for Republicans to bring race into this is completely hypocritical.

I don't care whether he is innocent or guilty, the fact is that you claimed that there is "no evidence" of racism on the right...which is completely false, even if a small minority the right has always come off as the most outspoken/racist and all the evidence you need is the things said/done when Obama ran for President and the complete lack of those sorts of statements actions towards Cain by Democrats at the moment. And I don't care if there are racist on the left as well, I'm talking about the specific claim you made. And no, they wouldn't be called racist immediately and I'm sick of this assumption, there is nothing about ones religion or race that ever comes into play when it comes to harassment cases. People weren't calling Republicans anti-semetic when Weiner was in trouble, and they wouldn't call anyone racist if Cain was a Democrat. The only reason why the race card was ever played with Obama because there was racism in play, there were people on the right saying that because of the color of his skin he wasn't born in the US, or as I mentioned above there were people making racist and hateful comments because of his race. If that begins to happen to Cain then they certainly can play the race card, but to try to say that the only reason this harassment is an issue, even though these sorts of things happen to both sides, is just because he is black is outrageous, has nothing to do with race and for Republicans to bring race into this is completely hypocritical.

SaintLeonidas

The charge of racism has always been leveled at the right. Not to the people who actually did it. That you can't deny.

I'm saying the only reason this is an issue is because he's a black Republican. You just have to look back at how other people in different controversies were treated to see this pattern.

Good question - I haven't been following him much since he announced that 9% sales tax junk idea, I don't want to have to pay an extra $2,700 tax on a $30,000 car. I didn't pay much attention to him until this harassment issue came up.topsemag55

Yeah, he talks how it will take care of 'invisible taxes', which I haven't really seen addressed on his side or opponents.

I don't want to pay extra $2700 on a 30K car, but if he can get this economy back on track so people could afford to pay it...

But this isn't a tax discussion forum.

I just find it weak journalism to have the only fact that SOMETHING occurred, but not know who or what exactly? I have to think they are holding on to specifics and just waiting to slam Cain (which he should be if he did something horrible).

But if its just the speculation we have now and nothing else gets produced, its going to help him more than hurt him.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

I don't care whether he is innocent or guilty, the fact is that you claimed that there is "no evidence" of racism on the right...which is completely false, even if a small minority the right has always come off as the most outspoken/racist and all the evidence you need is the things said/done when Obama ran for President and the complete lack of those sorts of statements actions towards Cain by Democrats at the moment. And I don't care if there are racist on the left as well, I'm talking about the specific claim you made. And no, they wouldn't be called racist immediately and I'm sick of this assumption, there is nothing about ones religion or race that ever comes into play when it comes to harassment cases. People weren't calling Republicans anti-semetic when Weiner was in trouble, and they wouldn't call anyone racist if Cain was a Democrat. The only reason why the race card was ever played with Obama because there was racism in play, there were people on the right saying that because of the color of his skin he wasn't born in the US, or as I mentioned above there were people making racist and hateful comments because of his race. If that begins to happen to Cain then they certainly can play the race card, but to try to say that the only reason this harassment is an issue, even though these sorts of things happen to both sides, is just because he is black is outrageous, has nothing to do with race and for Republicans to bring race into this is completely hypocritical.

airshocker

The charge of racism has always been leveled at the right. Not to the people who actually did it. That you can't deny.

I'm saying the only reason this is an issue is because he's a black Republican. You just have to look back at how other people in different controversies were treated to see this pattern.

The reason this is an issue is because he is a Republican, period, there is nothing, nothing about his skin color that plays into this. If it was Perry or Romney the same amount of scrutiny would be put on them as is being put on Cain. How his race is an issue is beyond me. Weiner wasn't black, yet Republicans were all over him for doing something that wasn't even illegal...why? Because he was Jewish? No. Because he was white? No. Why was Clinton impeached and targeted for what he did? Because he was white? No...in both cases it is because they were Democrats and the right used what they did against them. It is politics. Cain is a Republican running for President, OBVIOUSLY Democrats are going to use something like this versus any candidate to hurt them to protect there own party. It sickens me that any Republican would say it is a race issue even though they have used the same sorts of scandals vs. Democrats of any color. It is even more ridiculous that they use the race card even though they complained about the same thing being used when Obama was running.