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I think we're going to have mo Bama.
Fact: There are exactly seventeen people in this world who have a Zune HD.
Wow... I've only ever seen a Zune HD as the puncline to jokes! :oThis topic is locked from further discussion.
[QUOTE="RexerBot"]
I think we're going to have mo Bama.
Fact: There are exactly seventeen people in this world who have a Zune HD.
Wow... I've only ever seen a Zune HD as the puncline to jokes! :o[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]
[QUOTE="RexerBot"]
I think we're going to have mo Bama.
RexerBot
Fact: There are exactly seventeen people in this world who have a Zune HD.
Your point is? (I'm assuming that you looked at one of my YouTube videos)
The point has been made.
I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
QuistisTrepe_
Do you think she has chosen not to speak on the matter now so that she can do so when the Republican Primaries are near? Perhaps they want her to speak when she can do the most damage to his campaign.
It is hardly confirmed that the accuser is lying. Also, Politico never said he was guilty. It simply reported on the accusations, which is has every right to do. Your suggestion that they should simply ignore this is absurd.I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
QuistisTrepe_
[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]It is hardly confirmed that the accuser is lying. Also, Politico never said he was guilty. It simply reported on the accusations, which is has every right to do. Your suggestion that they should simply ignore this is absurd.I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
GreySeal9
They should simply ignore it; it has absolutely nothing to do with his campaign.
It is hardly confirmed that the accuser is lying. Also, Politico never said he was guilty. It simply reported on the accusations, which is has every right to do. Your suggestion that they should simply ignore this is absurd.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]
I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
RexerBot
They should simply ignore it; it has absolutely nothing to do with his campaign.
Since when does the media ignore stories like this? What you're asking for would only happen in a parallel world.
Also, while it may not have to anything do with Cain's campaign, it has everything to do with Cain himself, and Cain himself has everything to do with his campaign.
[QUOTE="RexerBot"]
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"] It is hardly confirmed that the accuser is lying. Also, Politico never said he was guilty. It simply reported on the accusations, which is has every right to do. Your suggestion that they should simply ignore this is absurd. GreySeal9
They should simply ignore it; it has absolutely nothing to do with his campaign.
Since when does the media ignore stories like this? What you're asking for would only happen in a parallel world.
Also, while it may not have to anything do with Cain's campaign, it has everything to do with Cain himself, and Cain himself has everything to do with his campaign.
My point is that the only reason they chose to report the story was for the buzz; not becuase they honestly believed it's something the public should know.
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[QUOTE="RexerBot"]
They should simply ignore it; it has absolutely nothing to do with his campaign.
RexerBot
Since when does the media ignore stories like this? What you're asking for would only happen in a parallel world.
Also, while it may not have to anything do with Cain's campaign, it has everything to do with Cain himself, and Cain himself has everything to do with his campaign.
My point is that the only reason they chose to report the story was for the buzz; not becuase they honestly believed it's something the public should know.
One actually can't know exactly why they chose to report it unless they come out and say it, but yeah, the media tends to report things they think has a "buzz" factor. So what?
This story was a bust. Only makes Cain stronger if no proof comes about.
I have to think more is coming down the line, otherwise that was one of the lamest journalism by a news site I've seen in awhile.
flazzle
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
[QUOTE="flazzle"]
This story was a bust. Only makes Cain stronger if no proof comes about.
I have to think more is coming down the line, otherwise that was one of the lamest journalism by a news site I've seen in awhile.
DroidPhysX
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
I guess the Cain-Train has been derailed.
[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]It is hardly confirmed that the accuser is lying. Also, Politico never said he was guilty. It simply reported on the accusations, which is has every right to do. Your suggestion that they should simply ignore this is absurd.I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
GreySeal9
It's more to the point of quality of journalism. If I were the editor of Politico and someone came to me with a story of an inconclusive accusation that couldn't be proven based on unnamed sources from over a decade ago, I'd have asked tham if they were on crack. But hey, anything to increase web site visits is fair game in the digital age.
[QUOTE="flazzle"]
This story was a bust. Only makes Cain stronger if no proof comes about.
I have to think more is coming down the line, otherwise that was one of the lamest journalism by a news site I've seen in awhile.
DroidPhysX
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]
This story was a bust. Only makes Cain stronger if no proof comes about.
I have to think more is coming down the line, otherwise that was one of the lamest journalism by a news site I've seen in awhile.
QuistisTrepe_
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
Well, which one should we believe?
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
RexerBot
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
Well, which one should we believe?
Which ever one makes you feel better. If you dislike Cain, go with the first. If you like him, the second.[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
[QUOTE="flazzle"]
This story was a bust. Only makes Cain stronger if no proof comes about.
I have to think more is coming down the line, otherwise that was one of the lamest journalism by a news site I've seen in awhile.
QuistisTrepe_
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
If he wins the Republican primary I am going to be rolling around laughing.. He will get destroyed come the general election come a 1 on 1 debate with Obama..
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
sSubZerOo
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
If he wins the Republican primary I am going to be rolling around laughing.. He will get destroyed come the general election come a 1 on 1 debate with Obama..
He won't. He's riding the Washington outsider train, but that will only take a candidate so far. Especially with his amateur night comments like "China becoming an emerging nuclear power." That was not good, that was really, really not good.
But Obama is so weak at this point, it may not matter who wins the GOP nomination. Obama cannot run on his record, the more he'll try, the more he'll get buried come election time. In the end, I think it really is all Romney's for the taking.
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
QuistisTrepe_
If he wins the Republican primary I am going to be rolling around laughing.. He will get destroyed come the general election come a 1 on 1 debate with Obama..
He won't. He's riding the Washington outsider train, but that will only take a candidate so far. Especially with his amateur night comments like "China becoming an emerging nuclear power." That was not good, that was really, really not good.
But Obama is so weak at this point, it may not matter who wins the GOP nomination. Obama cannot run on his record, the more he'll try, the more he'll get buried come election time. In the end, I think it really is all Romney's for the taking.
Obama will win. Most people understand that the root of the country's problems is the unwillingless of the Republicans to work with Obama just because he's a Democrat and not Obama himself. For now, people are venting their frustrations by aiming them at Obama, hence his poor performance in the polls. However, common sense will kick in when people have to vote and Obama will be re-elected. Do you really think most Americans, who are part of the middle class, will vote for a Republican knowing that they'll just lower taxes for the wealthy and the corporations?
Most people understand that the root of the country's problems is the unwillingless of the Republicans to work with Obama just because he's a Democrat and not Obama himself.
RexerBot
Except that's not what is going on. Obama's jobs bill is unpopular with both parties. Most Americans understand that we send people to Washington to argue and fight for what their constituents sent them there for in the first place. No one is honestly buying the Obama getting stonewalled excuse. Obama faced the largest turnover of Congress since the Great Depression for a reason.
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Most people understand that the root of the country's problems is the unwillingless of the Republicans to work with Obama just because he's a Democrat and not Obama himself.
QuistisTrepe_
Except that's not what is going on. Obama's jobs bill is unpopular with both parties. Most Americans understand that we send people to Washington to argue and fight for what their constituents sent them there for in the first place. No one is honestly buying the Obama getting stonewalled excuse. Obama faced the largest turnover of Congress since the Great Depression for a reason.
He will be re-elected. You just wait and you'll see. Mark my words.
He will be re-elected. You just wait and you'll see. Mark my words.
RexerBot
I thought that you atheists were exempt from unfounded beliefs?
[QUOTE="RexerBot"]
He will be re-elected. You just wait and you'll see. Mark my words.
coolbeans90
I thought that you atheists were exempt from unfounded beliefs?
It's an unfounded belief...in the realm of probability and reality. On the other hand, events such as the Parting of the Red Sea or Jesus walking on water defy the laws of physics and are inconsistent with everything about the world, so it's pretty far out to believe in them. Belief in Obama's re-election is in no way, shape, or form similar to the aforementioned religious beliefs or others like them. You'll probably try to come up with some way of contesting what I've said despite how logical it is, but any such attempt will be futile because I'm right. So, don't bother.
It's an unfounded belief...that exists in the realm of probability and reality. On the other hand, events such as the Parting of the Red Sea or Jesus walking on water defy the laws of physics and are inconsistent with everything about the world, so it's pretty far outto believe in them. Belief in Obama's re-election is in now way, shape, or form similar to theaforementionedreligious beliefs or others like them. You'll probably try to come up with some way of contesting what I've said despite how logical it is, but any such attempt will be futile because I'm right. So, don't bother.
RexerBot
That didn't address how Barack Obama will win reelection. Projections have it being a pretty close race, depending of course on the candidate. There are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement regarding the matter at this point in time. Declaring a victor would be quite an act of faith. Is Barack Obama Jesus?
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LOL
[QUOTE="RexerBot"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]coolbeans90
That didn't address how Barack Obama will win reelection. Projections have it being a pretty close race, depending of course on the candidate. There are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement regarding the matter at this point in time. Declaring a victor would be quite an act of faith. Is Barack Obama Jesus?
You're attempting to equate the type of faith required to believe in Obama's re-election with the type required to believe in religion. Such an attempt is illogical as the two types of faiths are very, very different. Religious faith requires one to accept possibilies outside of the realm of physics and reality; faith in predictions based in the real worlddo not requires such leaps. Also, there is the fact that faith regarding matters in the real world is based on observable facts, whereas faith in religion is based on nothing (but words in books written thousands of years ago by people who didn't have a quater of the knowledge we have today). Keep in mind that my use of the word "faith" in regard to the possibility of Obama being re-elected is for yourconvenience since you chose to label it as such. However, asserting that Obama will be re-elected isn't really a matter of faith; it is a conclusion drawn based on reasoning.
You're attempting to equate the type of faith
RexerBot
You mean the kind that ignores all probabilistic outcomes (like quantitative analyses on the subject) and arrive to a conclusion that they desire?
Yeah, that kind.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]IsBarack Obama Jesus?Jazz_Fan
I don't think he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Jazz
I've been meaning to apologize for putting you on "ignore" for FAU stuff forever ago. It came to my attention yesterday.
I can't figure out how to reverse it. :(
[QUOTE="RexerBot"]
You're attempting to equate the type of faith
coolbeans90
You mean the kind that ignores all probabilistic outcomes (like quantitative analyses on the subject) and arrive to a conclusion that they desire?
Yeah, that kind.
I have no problem with that kind of faith. My problem with religious faith is that it requires one to believe in anomalous occurrences that defy the laws of physics and reality. I have no problem with the type of faith that ignores probability; sure it may be a bit irrational, but it does not defy the laws of the universe. Also, to reiterate my point: Religious faith is not the same as faith regarding matters/ probable outcomes in the real world. At this point, I've made my point very clear and will no longer entertain this discussion with you.
I have no problem with the type of faith that ignores probability; sure it may be a bit irrational
RexerBot
All that I need to know.
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
QuistisTrepe_
If he wins the Republican primary I am going to be rolling around laughing.. He will get destroyed come the general election come a 1 on 1 debate with Obama..
He won't. He's riding the Washington outsider train, but that will only take a candidate so far. Especially with his amateur night comments like "China becoming an emerging nuclear power." That was not good, that was really, really not good.
But Obama is so weak at this point, it may not matter who wins the GOP nomination. Obama cannot run on his record, the more he'll try, the more he'll get buried come election time. In the end, I think it really is all Romney's for the taking.
It certainly matters. People think its all about the economy, but you have to remember that elections have everything to do with constrasts. If Obama runs against candidate who makes him look acceptable, he can easily be re-elected.
One has to keep in mind that as far as modern Presidents are concerned, all the candidates, besides Jimmy Carter, who have outsted a sitting President, were charismatic and had strong political skills, and Jimmy Carter still had much better political skills and charisma than his opponent.
The Presidential election in many ways is a popularity contest. Yes, the economy will matter hugely, but it's not the only thing that matters.
If Obama goes against Paul (tho we know that Paul won't win the nomination), Obama could and most likely would succeed in making himself seem like the only reasonable choice due to being much more centrist than radical Ron Paul who thinks entitlement programs are against the Constitution and who thinks we should have worked with Pakistan to get Bin Laden. If Obama goes against Perry, he could make Perry seem too dumb for the Presidency. If Obama goes against Cain, not only can he make Cain seem to do lacking in essential knowledge and experience, but he can also show the clip of Cain mocking the unemployed, etc. If Obama goes against Bachmann, all he has to is not make a fatal gaffe ( :P ).
Just kidding about that last statement, but I'm just saying that she'll come across as too crazy for mainstream voters. If Obama goes against against Gingrich, he can use the fact that people think he has good character and contrast it against Gingrich. He can also point out that Gingrich presided over a Republican House that behaved, at times, like our current Republican House. If Obama goes against Santorum, he could allow Santorum to take the focus off the weak economy.
As for Romney, I don't think it's his for the taking whatsoever. First of all, the economy is likely to improve atleast a little bit and Obama's campaign strategy has seemed to stop his slide in the polls and even bump him a few points (his numbers are still bad tho). What I'm getting at with that is that Obama is still a very effective campaigner, a much more effective campaigner than Romney who is counting on the economy to win. Secondly, tho Romney has a good chance of winning, Obama still wins the contrast battles. At this point Romney absolutely looks less principled and less authentic than Obama. Thirdly, by taking the anti-union position in Ohio, Romney might have compromised his ability to win Ohio, which is essential to Republicans.
Honestly, the only candidate that's enough of a blank slate that Obama wouldn't be able to craft a strong contrast is Hunstman. But of course he's not getting anywhere near that nomination.
It is hardly confirmed that the accuser is lying. Also, Politico never said he was guilty. It simply reported on the accusations, which is has every right to do. Your suggestion that they should simply ignore this is absurd.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]
I knew this accuser was full of **** from the start.:lol:
"Oh hai, I want to make completely unprovable accusations against a presidental candidate while still remaining anonymous.":roll: I've always regarded Politico as the National Enquirer of politics and now they've removed all doubt. I love how the National Restaurant Association has waived the gag rule agreement and the accuser still won't go public. I guess now we know there never was anything to the charges in the first place.
QuistisTrepe_
It's more to the point of quality of journalism. If I were the editor of Politico and someone came to me with a story of an inconclusive accusation that couldn't be proven based on unnamed sources from over a decade ago, I'd have asked tham if they were on crack. But hey, anything to increase web site visits is fair game in the digital age.
If Politico hadn't broken the story, somebody else would have. These things are simply going to come out, especially when the candidate is gaining momentum.
This story needed to be broken. The media would be worthless if it would entertain leaving something this major ignored.
He contradicts himself on abortion, negotiating with terrorists and this scandal. I'd say his damage control strategy for any situation is horrid.BTW, why do people see Cain as so "straight talking?" I think he might be the least straight talking. I swear, he'll straight up contradict himself and then he'll say, "What I meant was..." and then contradict himself again.
GreySeal9
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]He contradicts himself on abortion, negotiating with terrorists and this scandal. I'd say his damage control strategy for any situation is horrid.BTW, why do people see Cain as so "straight talking?" I think he might be the least straight talking. I swear, he'll straight up contradict himself and then he'll say, "What I meant was..." and then contradict himself again.
DroidPhysX
It really is. In the future, this scandal will serve as a reminder of what NOT to do when something like this breaks.
I guess saying things like "I never went to the school of political correctness" is enough to make some many conservatives think you're straight talking even if you're totally not.
BTW, the school of political correctness comment is what makes me able to imagine Cain engaging in sexual harrasement.
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]
This story was a bust. Only makes Cain stronger if no proof comes about.
I have to think more is coming down the line, otherwise that was one of the lamest journalism by a news site I've seen in awhile.
QuistisTrepe_
Cain is actually dropping in the polls thanks to these accusations
Here's another showing him holding steady after the fact.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-rises-in-post-abc-poll-despite-scandal-most-republicans-dismiss-allegations/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1
The thing is, it takes awhile for certain things to affect polls.
Rick Perry's debate performances didn't start affecting the polls until a few weeks later if I'm not mistaken.
to win Ohio, which is essential to Republicans.GreySeal9Ohio is necessary for any candidate, not just Republicans. There is one thing about Gingrich that I think you'll agree with, he can go toe-to-toe with Obama in a debate. He has debating skills more so than most of the other Republicans.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"] to win Ohio, which is essential to Republicans.topsemag55Ohio is necessary for any candidate, not just Republicans. There is one thing about Gingrich that I think you'll agree with, he can go toe-to-toe with Obama in a debate. He has debating skills more so than most of the other Republicans.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. He'd probably come off more fluid on policy, but he has big character issues.
Losing Ohio is definitely a huge blow to any candidate, but Obama has does have some paths to 270 that don't include Ohio or Florida or Ohio/Florida. I don't see a Republican path to 270 that doesn't include both Ohio and Flordia.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Everyone has or has sexually harassed someone in some type of way,so who caresGreySeal9
I don't think this is a founded assumption whatsoever. I sure have never sexually harrased anybody.
Me neither. Bucked20, have you? That's a really weird thing to say.
An interesting thing to note is that the Reuters poll says that Cain's favoribility has dropped with Republicans (9 points) more than it has with everybody else (5 points). At the same time, the poll says that Republicans were less likely to think the allegations were true (only 39 percent compared to 53% among all voters). This leads me to believe that the way that Cain has handled this (extremely incoherently) has made some Republican see him in a different light.
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