Three women accuse Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

The effect on the race being Herman Cain failing to maintain a competitive number of votes relative to Romney. What Cain should do isn't necessarily what Cain will do. Same goes for Romney. I imagine them both being primarily concerned with winning the nomination. Diverting attention from the issues in this instance benefits Romney.

coolbeans90

I imagine Cain's poll numbers will start dropping soon. He'll keep his base, but others will gravitate to other candidates, especially women.topsemag55

No doubt about that. I'm wondering how much Gingrich stands to gain from this.

No doubt about that. I'm wondering how much Gingrich stands to gain from this.

coolbeans90

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No doubt about that. I'm wondering how much Gingrich stands to gain from this.

topsemag55

Yes, but you have to consider the voters. People who Cain suddenly polled well with formerly supported Perry and formerly Bachmann before Perry. Basically, they are the "I'm not Mitt Romney" vote. Do they revert to Perry? No - he has lost much favorability w. that crowd. Bachmann? A few - but for reasons I can't comprehend, she has dropped to near irrelevance. Gingrich? Probably grabs quite a few. Ron Paul? He has his people. They love him. Aside from that, his appeal is to a limited political audience. Santorum stands to pick up a few, but is a relatively irrelevant candidate, though he is likely to gain a wee bit from this.. Huntsman is betting on 2016, IMO, and does not appeal to that audience. He is Romney 2016.

TL;DR: The votes need to go somewhere. Gingrich is my money.

Yes, but you have to consider the voters. People who Cain suddenly polled well with formerly supported Perry and formerly Bachmann before Perry. Basically, they are the "I'm not Mitt Romney" vote. Do they revert to Perry? No - he has lost much favorability w. that crowd. Bachmann? A few - but for reasons I can't comprehend, she has dropped to near irrelevance. Gingrich? Probably grabs quite a few. Ron Paul? He has his people. They love him. Aside from that, his appeal is to a limited political audience. Santorum stands to pick up a few, but is a relatively irrelevant candidate, though he is likely to gain a wee bit from this.. Huntsman is betting on 2016, IMO, and does not appeal to that audience. He is Romney 2016.

TL;DR: The votes need to go somewhere. Gingrich is my money.

coolbeans90

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Yes, but you have to consider the voters. People who Cain suddenly polled well with formerly supported Perry and formerly Bachmann before Perry. Basically, they are the "I'm not Mitt Romney" vote. Do they revert to Perry? No - he has lost much favorability w. that crowd. Bachmann? A few - but for reasons I can't comprehend, she has dropped to near irrelevance. Gingrich? Probably grabs quite a few. Ron Paul? He has his people. They love him. Aside from that, his appeal is to a limited political audience. Santorum stands to pick up a few, but is a relatively irrelevant candidate, though he is likely to gain a wee bit from this.. Huntsman is betting on 2016, IMO, and does not appeal to that audience. He is Romney 2016.

TL;DR: The votes need to go somewhere. Gingrich is my money.

topsemag55

I think this is a very silly reason to not support someone. They should be more focused on the fact that he's not exactly brilliant.Sunsha

Gingrich by far feasts on easy questions the most out of any candidate and gives the illusion that he is a great debater. But when it comes times for the "Gotcha" questions, he cowers and whines about it instead of AT LEAST BSing it like Romney/Obama does.DroidPhysX

I first agreed with you about the gotcha questions, but the more I thought about it the more I thought Newt was right: there are too many "gotcha" questions. I don't see him cowering at all, he's simply standing up and pointing it out. It seems 99/100 times you get a mish mash, wishy washy response to a "gotcha" question because essentially they are most "sophie choice" type. They only thing they end up accomplishing is how good someone can BS instead of solid answers

The only good thing a BS answer does is give the media something to make a controversial headline with "Obama agrees with the socialists!" or "Newt wants all homeless to die!" or some crap like that.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Gingrich by far feasts on easy questions the most out of any candidate and gives the illusion that he is a great debater. But when it comes times for the "Gotcha" questions, he cowers and whines about it instead of AT LEAST BSing it like Romney/Obama does.flazzle

I first agreed with you about the gotcha questions, but the more I thought about it the more I thought Newt was right: there are too many "gotcha" questions. I don't see him cowering at all, he's simply standing up and pointing it out. It seems 99/100 times you get a mish mash, wishy washy response to a "gotcha" question because essentially they are most "sophie choice" type. They only thing they end up accomplishing is how good someone can BS instead of solid answers

The only good thing a BS answer does is give the media something to make a controversial headline with "Obama agrees with the socialists!" or "Newt wants all homeless to die!" or some crap like that.

We'll see what happens in tonights debate I guess.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Gingrich by far feasts on easy questions the most out of any candidate and gives the illusion that he is a great debater. But when it comes times for the "Gotcha" questions, he cowers and whines about it instead of AT LEAST BSing it like Romney/Obama does.DroidPhysX

I first agreed with you about the gotcha questions, but the more I thought about it the more I thought Newt was right: there are too many "gotcha" questions. I don't see him cowering at all, he's simply standing up and pointing it out. It seems 99/100 times you get a mish mash, wishy washy response to a "gotcha" question because essentially they are most "sophie choice" type. They only thing they end up accomplishing is how good someone can BS instead of solid answers

The only good thing a BS answer does is give the media something to make a controversial headline with "Obama agrees with the socialists!" or "Newt wants all homeless to die!" or some crap like that.

We'll see what happens in tonights debate I guess.

Holy Moly! There's another debate tonight? Can't wait.

Gingrich would eat Obama for lunch in a debate. Even if he doesn't get the nomination, I think he is guaranteed to get VP slot. I can see the slaughter now... Gingrich vs. Biden. LOL.DevilMightCry

I find it amusing that people are trying to trump up some conspiracy attack brought on from the Democrat Party.. If anything they would want Cain to make it to the general election instead of Romney.. sSubZerOo

People who support a candidate seem to convince themselves that said candidate is the most electable. The Cain peeps are obviously going to label this a Democratic scheme.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Gingrich would eat Obama for lunch in a debate. Even if he doesn't get the nomination, I think he is guaranteed to get VP slot. I can see the slaughter now... Gingrich vs. Biden. LOL.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Gingrich would eat Obama for lunch in a debate. Even if he doesn't get the nomination, I think he is guaranteed to get VP slot. I can see the slaughter now... Gingrich vs. Biden. LOL.DevilMightCry

Honestly, I don't see how swapping VPs is a good idea.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I find it amusing that people are trying to trump up some conspiracy attack brought on from the Democrat Party.. If anything they would want Cain to make it to the general election instead of Romney.. coolbeans90

People who support a candidate seem to convince themselves that said candidate is the most electable. The Cain peeps are obviously going to label this a Democratic scheme.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I find it amusing that people are trying to trump up some conspiracy attack brought on from the Democrat Party.. If anything they would want Cain to make it to the general election instead of Romney.. HoolaHoopMan

People who support a candidate seem to convince themselves that said candidate is the most electable. The Cain peeps are obviously going to label this a Democratic scheme.

His campaign, IIRC, yes. His followers/rhetoric machine? The liberal media, Obama, primary competitors, the usual suspects, etc.

Honestly, I don't see how swapping VPs is a good idea.GreySeal9

I find it amusing that people are trying to trump up some conspiracy attack brought on from the Democrat Party.. If anything they would want Cain to make it to the general election instead of Romney.. sSubZerOo

There are just too many "coincidences" here to ignore. One accuser an Obama administration employee and the other one who lived in the same building as Obama's right hand aide, and both of them with dubious work histories/financial troubles/history of pursuing litigation to boot? Forgive those of us inquisitive enough to call BS on this. :roll:

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"] Honestly, I don't see how swapping VPs is a good idea.topsemag55

The first one is a hilarious honest mistake. I don't understand why the **** he said the second quote.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I find it amusing that people are trying to trump up some conspiracy attack brought on from the Democrat Party.. If anything they would want Cain to make it to the general election instead of Romney.. QuistisTrepe_

There are just too many "coincidences" here to ignore. One accuser an Obama administration employee and the other one who lived in the same building as Obama's right hand aide, and both of them with dubious work histories/financial troubles/history of pursuing litigation to boot? Forgive those of us inquisitive enough to call BS on this. :roll:

So again, you think this is all some Obama administration conspiracy?

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I find it amusing that people are trying to trump up some conspiracy attack brought on from the Democrat Party.. If anything they would want Cain to make it to the general election instead of Romney.. GreySeal9

There are just too many "coincidences" here to ignore. One accuser an Obama administration employee and the other one who lived in the same building as Obama's right hand aide, and both of them with dubious work histories/financial troubles/history of pursuing litigation to boot? Forgive those of us inquisitive enough to call BS on this. :roll:

So again, you think this is all some Obama administration conspiracy?

No, but it is being coordinated by the DNC.

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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

There are just too many "coincidences" here to ignore. One accuser an Obama administration employee and the other one who lived in the same building as Obama's right hand aide, and both of them with dubious work histories/financial troubles/history of pursuing litigation to boot? Forgive those of us inquisitive enough to call BS on this. :roll:

QuistisTrepe_

So again, you think this is all some Obama administration conspiracy?

No, but it is being coordinated by the DNC.

Why would the DNC conspire against Cain of all people?

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So again, you think this is all some Obama administration conspiracy?

GreySeal9

No, but it is being coordinated by the DNC.

Why would the DNC conspire against Cain of all people?

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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

No, but it is being coordinated by the DNC.

SaintLeonidas

Why would the DNC conspire against Cain of all people?

To prevent him from winning the Republican nomination. (leading back to GreySeal's question, being that he is a weak candidate)

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Why would the DNC conspire against Cain of all people?

coolbeans90

To prevent him from winning the Republican nomination. (leading back to GreySeal's question, being that he is a weak candidate)

unless of course you are suggesting they are massively honerable and only want to face the strongest candidate.

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] And, why would they target Cain before the primary election?Serraph105

To prevent him from winning the Republican nomination. (leading back to GreySeal's question, being that he is a weak candidate)

unless of course you are suggesting they are massively honerable and only want to face the strongest candidate.

Yes, they want to face a weak candidate. That is exactly why GreySeal posed his question. It makes positively no sense for DNC to target Cain. (at this point in time anyway)

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

To prevent him from winning the Republican nomination. (leading back to GreySeal's question, being that he is a weak candidate)

coolbeans90

unless of course you are suggesting they are massively honerable and only want to face the strongest candidate.

Yes, they want to face a weak candidate. That is exactly why GreySeal posed his question. It makes positively no sense for DNC to target Cain. (at this point in time anyway)

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"] seems to me they would want to face a weak candidate.

unless of course you are suggesting they are massively honerable and only want to face the strongest candidate.

Serraph105

Yes, they want to face a weak candidate. That is exactly why GreySeal posed his question. It makes positively no sense for DNC to target Cain. (at this point in time anyway)

No problemo. I could have stated my post more clearly.