Tony Blair: a distinctive black culture is to blame for high crime rate

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for TheOT_King
TheOT_King

6359

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1 TheOT_King
Member since 2005 • 6359 Posts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2055148,00.html

Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.

One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.

Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".

It needed to be addressed by a tailored counter-attack in the same way as football hooliganism was reined in by producing measures aimed at the specific problem, rather than general lawlessness.

Mr Blair's remarks are at odds with those of the Home Office minister Lady Scotland, who told the home affairs select committee last month that the disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system was a function of their disproportionate poverty, and not to do with a distinctive black culture.

Giving the Callaghan lecture in Cardiff, the prime minister admitted he had been "lurching into total frankness" in the final weeks of his premiership. He called on black people to lead the fight against knife crime. He said that "the black community - the vast majority of whom in these communities are decent, law abiding people horrified at what is happening - need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids".

Mr Blair said he had been moved to make his controversial remarks after speaking to a black pastor of a London church at a Downing Street knife crime summit, who said: "When are we going to start saying this is a problem amongst a section of the black community and not, for reasons of political correctness, pretend that this is nothing to do with it?" Mr Blair said there needed to be an "intense police focus" on the minority of young black Britons behind the gun and knife attacks. The laws on knife and gun gangs needed to be toughened and the ringleaders "taken out of circulation".

Last night, British African-Caribbean figures leading the fight against gang culture condemned Mr Blair's speech. The Rev Nims Obunge, chief executive of the Peace Alliance, one of the main organisations working against gang crime, denounced the prime minister.

Mr Obunge, who attended the Downing Street summit chaired by Mr Blair in February, said he had been cited by the prime minister: "He makes it look like I said it's the black community doing it. What I said is it's making the black community more vulnerable and they need more support and funding for the work they're doing. ... He has taken what I said out of context. We came for support and he has failed and has come back with more police powers to use against our black children."

Keith Jarrett, chair of the National Black Police Association, whose members work with vulnerable youngsters, said: "Social deprivation and delinquency go hand in hand and we need to tackle both. It is curious that the prime minister does not mention deprivation in his speech."

Lee Jasper, adviser on policing to London's mayor, said: "For years we have said this is an issue the black community has to deal with. The PM is spectacularly ill-informed if he thinks otherwise.

"Every home secretary from [David] Blunkett onwards has been pressed on tackling the growing phenomenon of gun and gang crime in deprived black communities, and government has failed to respond to what has been a clear demand for additional resources to tackle youth alienation and disaffection".

The Home Office has already announced it is looking at the possibility of banning membership of gangs, tougher enforcement of the supposed mandatory five-year sentences for possession of illegal firearms, and lowering the age from 21 to 18 for this mandatory sentence.

Answering questions later Mr Blair said: "Economic inequality is a factor and we should deal with that, but I don't think it's the thing that is producing the most violent expression of this social alienation.

"I think that is to do with the fact that particular youngsters are being brought up in a setting that has no rules, no discipline, no proper framework around them."

Some people working with children knew at the age of five whether they were going to be in "real trouble" later, he said.

Mr Blair is known to believe the tendency for many black boys to be raised in families without a father leads to a lack of appropriate role models.

He said: "We need to stop thinking of this as a society that has gone wrong - it has not - but of specific groups that for specific reasons have gone outside of the proper lines of respect and good conduct towards others and need by specific measures to be brought back into the fold."

The Commission for Racial Equality broadly backed Mr Blair, saying people "shouldn't be afraid to talk about this issue for fear of sounding prejudiced".

Mr Blair spoke out as a second teenager was due to appear in court charged with the murder of 14-year-old Paul Erhahon, stabbed to death in east London on Friday. He was the seventh Londoner under 16 to be murdered since the end of January, and his 15-year-old friend, who was also stabbed, remains in hospital.

_____________________________________________

 

Avatar image for RosetaStoned
RosetaStoned

428

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#2 RosetaStoned
Member since 2007 • 428 Posts

He forgot about the white kids that try really hard to be black. They're a part of it too.

Didn't he also apologize for Britian's use of slavery in the 1800s a few months ago?

Avatar image for branketra
branketra

51726

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 9

#3 branketra
Member since 2006 • 51726 Posts

Prime Minister of Britian making racial profile accusations ftl. He should focus on solving the problem as is, rather than simply pointing out a branch of the problem. All this will accomplish is ethnic tensions, problems with government policy, police militia 'hate criming the place, and Tony Blair being left looking like a guy who is stuck in the Dark Age mentality.

Avatar image for steppinrazor88
steppinrazor88

14441

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 33

User Lists: 0

#4 steppinrazor88
Member since 2006 • 14441 Posts

you mean they're not???

 

j/k :P

 

 

Seriously..i'm playing people :P 

Avatar image for MarioFanatic
MarioFanatic

6153

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#5 MarioFanatic
Member since 2003 • 6153 Posts

zomg thaz raysist!

 

Avatar image for ericgold3k
ericgold3k

75

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#6 ericgold3k
Member since 2004 • 75 Posts

Well, he does have a point.

 

Avatar image for Account_27
Account_27

13426

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#7 Account_27
Member since 2005 • 13426 Posts
Anything a white person say's about blacks is automatically racist.  I'm getting really tired of this.  There is always an "outrage" among the black community.  Have they ever NOT been in an outrage at something?
Avatar image for Happyphilter
Happyphilter

1347

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#8 Happyphilter
Member since 2004 • 1347 Posts

Anything a white person say's about blacks is automatically racist.  I'm getting really tired of this.  There is always an "outrage" among the black community.  Have they ever NOT been in an outrage at something?Account_27

I agree, the fact they expess such outrage when infact it IS the truth is rediculous. Whites are held to hiugher standards, especially white men. They are always outraged which might be part of the reason they make up the largest percent of the crime.

They always find excuses to blame someone else for the high crime rates in blacks, like "crooked cops" instead of just facing the problem. I think thats part of the reasont here is such a large problem. Im so sick of it.

Avatar image for AgostonF
AgostonF

6965

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

#9 AgostonF
Member since 2006 • 6965 Posts

*reads first paragraph only* Wow.. That's just really ignorant and racist..

Avatar image for bacon_is_sweet
bacon_is_sweet

3112

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#10 bacon_is_sweet
Member since 2006 • 3112 Posts
I'm not racist at all, but he does have somewhat of a point.  The "gangsta" image put up by popular black culture could be the reason.  Not the fact that its blacks, but that popular culture that they started.
Avatar image for ericgold3k
ericgold3k

75

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#11 ericgold3k
Member since 2004 • 75 Posts

[QUOTE="Account_27"]Anything a white person say's about blacks is automatically racist. I'm getting really tired of this. There is always an "outrage" among the black community. Have they ever NOT been in an outrage at something?Happyphilter

I agree, the fact they expess such outrage when infact it IS the truth is rediculous. Whites are held to hiugher standards, especially white men. They are always outraged which might be part of the reason they make up the largest percent of the crime.

They always find excuses to blame someone else for the high crime rates in blacks, like "crooked cops" instead of just facing the problem. I think thats part of the reasont here is such a large problem. Im so sick of it.

I agree 100%.

You might get moded for saying that though. This board seems to be quite Stalinist.  

Avatar image for Brainkiller05
Brainkiller05

28954

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#12 Brainkiller05
Member since 2005 • 28954 Posts

zomg thaz raysist!

 

MarioFanatic

owned? 

Avatar image for videogamer456
videogamer456

13282

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#13 videogamer456
Member since 2005 • 13282 Posts
Can Al Sharpton get over there in time to complain and yell, while getting back to NYC to make sure the cops in the Sean Bell case are found guilty? This is totally racist and I demand Blair apologies, or pays some sort of restitution for this inflammatory remark.
Avatar image for TheWalrusBeast
TheWalrusBeast

1820

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

#14 TheWalrusBeast
Member since 2005 • 1820 Posts

Anything a white person say's about blacks is automatically racist. I'm getting really tired of this. There is always an "outrage" among the black community. Have they ever NOT been in an outrage at something?Account_27

Well it was said by the leader of one of the great powers of the world, I don't think most world leaders would say things like this.

Avatar image for TheOT_King
TheOT_King

6359

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#15 TheOT_King
Member since 2005 • 6359 Posts
bump... I'm surprised that the Don Imus threads (and story in general) attracted more attention than this
Avatar image for I_am_White
I_am_White

40

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#16 I_am_White
Member since 2007 • 40 Posts

What Tony said is true.

Avatar image for Sajo7
Sajo7

14049

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#17 Sajo7
Member since 2005 • 14049 Posts
It seems to me, that the "black community" is always upset about someones remarks.
Avatar image for MCGSMB
MCGSMB

2149

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#18 MCGSMB
Member since 2007 • 2149 Posts
It's all true. Every word.
Avatar image for marty_81
marty_81

2823

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#19 marty_81
Member since 2003 • 2823 Posts
Just seems like Europe is heading in the right direction if the Prime minister doesnt care about political correctness. Had Bush said something similar, the United-States would be in an uproar.
Avatar image for hyruledweller
hyruledweller

3168

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#20 hyruledweller
Member since 2006 • 3168 Posts
The thing is, its true, black culture is a part of that, that doesn't mean they are the only ones. We should ignore the black/white issue and just tackle whoever is doing it.
Avatar image for Kikouken
Kikouken

15913

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

#21 Kikouken
Member since 2006 • 15913 Posts
What the hell?
Avatar image for leegar88
leegar88

5307

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#22 leegar88
Member since 2006 • 5307 Posts

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

Avatar image for nickmag
nickmag

6710

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#23 nickmag
Member since 2006 • 6710 Posts
figures and facts don't lie, he's right
Avatar image for Sajo7
Sajo7

14049

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#24 Sajo7
Member since 2005 • 14049 Posts

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

leegar88

 

Political officials have to talk, its part of the job. 

Avatar image for nickmag
nickmag

6710

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#25 nickmag
Member since 2006 • 6710 Posts

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

leegar88
you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results
Avatar image for mmogoon
mmogoon

7311

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

#26 mmogoon
Member since 2006 • 7311 Posts
[QUOTE="leegar88"]

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

nickmag

you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results

 Exactly. Tony blair is right

Avatar image for harvie5
harvie5

25

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#27 harvie5
Member since 2006 • 25 Posts
Probably true. :|
Avatar image for leegar88
leegar88

5307

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#28 leegar88
Member since 2006 • 5307 Posts
[QUOTE="leegar88"]

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

nickmag

you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results

I am not saying it isn't true, but I just feel he should have come up with a real solution like more education in black communities or something.  

Avatar image for Gamer556
Gamer556

3846

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#29 Gamer556
Member since 2006 • 3846 Posts
[QUOTE="nickmag"][QUOTE="leegar88"]

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

leegar88

you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results

I am not saying it isn't true, but I just feel he should have come up with a real solution like more education in black communities or something.  

Better school aren't going to make black parents raise their kids properly.

Avatar image for leegar88
leegar88

5307

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#30 leegar88
Member since 2006 • 5307 Posts
[QUOTE="leegar88"][QUOTE="nickmag"][QUOTE="leegar88"]

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

Gamer556

you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results

I am not saying it isn't true, but I just feel he should have come up with a real solution like more education in black communities or something.  

Better school aren't going to make black parents raise their kids properly.

True in some cases, but not all black parents are neglectful to their kids. Also better schools could show kids that they could become something better in life.

Avatar image for Vyse_The_Daring
Vyse_The_Daring

5318

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#31 Vyse_The_Daring
Member since 2003 • 5318 Posts
Good for him, saying what he believes without trying to be PC. He's given me the inspiration to say that I kinda agree.
Avatar image for leandra12
leandra12

380

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#32 leandra12
Member since 2006 • 380 Posts
I'm sure Tony Blair was aware of the response his comments would get, but decided to speak up anyways. Personally, I admire that sort of honesty.
Avatar image for Gamer556
Gamer556

3846

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33 Gamer556
Member since 2006 • 3846 Posts
[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="leegar88"][QUOTE="nickmag"][QUOTE="leegar88"]

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

leegar88

you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results

I am not saying it isn't true, but I just feel he should have come up with a real solution like more education in black communities or something.  

Better school aren't going to make black parents raise their kids properly.

True in some cases, but not all black parents are neglectful to their kids. Also better schools could show kids that they could become something better in life.

I'm not saying all black parent are neglectful of their kids, but a good portion of them are. Too many black parents just aren't raising their kids in a household with rules and proper discipline. For example, when I go to the mall, about 9 out of every 10 black kids I see are all thugged out and swearing their mouths off with no respect for the people around them. These are the same kids who are going to get in serious legal trouble someday.

Avatar image for Omni-Slash
Omni-Slash

54450

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

#34 Omni-Slash
Member since 2003 • 54450 Posts
I think there's a legitimate point to be had.....everyone wants to blame poverty for crime.....but poor white areas don;t have nearly the same levels of crime....I should know I came from an extremely poor family and area....that being said I think it's not as much black culture as it is the distruction of the family...which in turn can be in part caused by the culture....
Avatar image for deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e

8419

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 10

User Lists: 0

#35 deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
Member since 2003 • 8419 Posts
Sounds about right.
Avatar image for leegar88
leegar88

5307

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#36 leegar88
Member since 2006 • 5307 Posts
[QUOTE="leegar88"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="leegar88"][QUOTE="nickmag"][QUOTE="leegar88"]

*sighs* Instead of looking for people to blame maybe he should do something to fix the problem.

Gamer556

you've got to find out what the problem is before you fix it, which is what they've done.. hence these results

I am not saying it isn't true, but I just feel he should have come up with a real solution like more education in black communities or something.  

Better school aren't going to make black parents raise their kids properly.

True in some cases, but not all black parents are neglectful to their kids. Also better schools could show kids that they could become something better in life.

I'm not saying all black parent are neglectful of their kids, but a good portion of them are. Too many black parents just aren't raising their kids in a household with rules and proper discipline. For example, when I go to the mall, about 9 out of every 10 black kids I see are all thugged out and swearing their mouths off with no respect for the people around them. These are the same kids who are going to get in serious legal trouble someday.

I have noticed that a lot too, and it isn't just with black kids but more like kids in general . But I wouldn't go as high to say 9 out of 10 IMO 71/2 out of 10 but it could differ from where we live. Anyway those are also just kids/teens if they were to get the right kind of teacher counselor, or education it is likely they could mature into normal law abiding adults. But when it comes to adults acting like that I can understand what you are saying(but once again that goes for people of all races). 

Avatar image for eXor512
eXor512

3384

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

#37 eXor512
Member since 2006 • 3384 Posts
Well I hate to admit it but its probably true. In the 60's in America there were mostly white Americans and there was very little crime. Now with all these other races coming in America the crime is at an all-time high. Coincidence? I think not.
Avatar image for Ninja-Vox
Ninja-Vox

16314

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

#38 Ninja-Vox
Member since 2006 • 16314 Posts

Prime Minister of Britian making racial profile accusations ftl. He should focus on solving the problem as is, rather than simply pointing out a branch of the problem. All this will accomplish is ethnic tensions, problems with government policy, police militia 'hate criming the place, and Tony Blair being left looking like a guy who is stuck in the Dark Age mentality.

BranKetra

Dude, the man's got a point. Every single case since january has involved young black teenagers. Like he says, you cant just hide away from the fact because of political correctness. 17 stabbings/shootings in two and a half months; evey single incident, young black kids. 

Avatar image for SolidSnake35
SolidSnake35

58971

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 3

#39 SolidSnake35
Member since 2005 • 58971 Posts
He can't really say that, but that doesn't mean he hasn't got a point.
Avatar image for LiquidZ08
LiquidZ08

8820

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#40 LiquidZ08
Member since 2004 • 8820 Posts
I personally am tired of hearing the reverse racism bit, whether it be from whites or blacks. 
Avatar image for leegar88
leegar88

5307

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#41 leegar88
Member since 2006 • 5307 Posts

I personally am tired of hearing the reverse racism bit, whether it be from whites or blacks.  LiquidZ08

Agreed it is sad that people can't pull their heads out of their a$$es and realise racism is wrong in general.

Avatar image for Hexum-311
Hexum-311

1158

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#42 Hexum-311
Member since 2007 • 1158 Posts

I wouldn't be surprised if political suicide was required of him after withdrawing troops from Iraq.

The NWO is everywhere.Â