Top ranking CIA Operatives admit Al Qaeda 'Is a Complete Fabrication'!

polidics.com

BBC's killer documentary called "The Power of Nightmares". Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after "the bad guy of their choice" namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and "criminal organizations" such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundred's of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Governments story of Al-qaeda a "group" or criminal organization they could "legally" go after. This video documentary is off the hook…

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Other info:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4304516.stm

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

Im not suprised that I would find someone in OT foolish enough to fall for a story like that...:roll:

I'm guessing you guys didn't read the links i provided?knowledge-funk

Did you? The BBC one (the only one I'm willing to treat as a trustable source) does not say that al-Qaeda is a complete fabrication; it only says that al-Qaeda is not like some monolithic military organization with a strict heirarchy of power with one mastermind at the top. Which is vastly different than claiming that al-Qaeda was entirely made up and that nothing by that name has ever actually existed.

That the terrorists are not unified under one single leader does not mean that there are no terrorists in existence.

I admit that Al-Qaeda isnt as powerful as they are portrayed and they arent as organizedfreshgman

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]I'm guessing you guys didn't read the links i provided?GabuEx

Did you? The BBC one (the only one I'm willing to treat as a trustable source) does not say that al-Qaeda is a complete fabrication; it only says that al-Qaeda is not like some monolithic military organization with a strict heirarchy of power with one mastermind at the top. Which is vastly different than claiming that al-Qaeda was entirely made up and that nothing by that name has ever actually existed.

Thats why it was under "other info". It is not the exact topic, but it does reflect the idea that Al Quaeda is not what we are told it is.

I don't trust websites with names like polidics.KG86

why not:S

Okay, let's believe one guy over all the other CIA and specail intelligence agencies of the world. You honestly think that it was all made up and no one from any country said "hey wait a second". It's just more nonsense so people can have another excuse to bash Bush.blackngold29

A whole lot of people have said "wait a second" but they're mocked and shut out because others think it's a conspiracy and just don't want to hear it.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Okay, let's believe one guy over all the other CIA and specail intelligence agencies of the world. You honestly think that it was all made up and no one from any country said "hey wait a second". It's just more nonsense so people can have another excuse to bash Bush.PlasmaBeam44

A whole lot of people have said "wait a minute" but they're mocked and shut out because others think it's a conspiracy and just don't want to hear it.

[QUOTE="KG86"]I don't trust websites with names like polidics.knowledge-funk

why not:S

because it's like "The Onion"

It just doesn't sound like it's serious or real.

Thats why it was under "other info". It is not the exact topic, but it does reflect the idea that Al Quaeda is not what we are told it is.

knowledge-funk

Have you ever played Telephone? The game where people whisper things into other people's ears and this goes through a chain? Did the end result ever remotely resemble the initial sentence?

That's basically exactly what happens with amateur reporting on the internet. I'm sure that some CIA operative somewhere said something about al-Qaeda that contradicted in some way the things that Bush or other government officials have been saying, but I'm rather more apt to believe the version that the BBC gives than the idea that al-Qaeda does not exist, period. I'd need some awfully convincing evidence to make me believe that there are actually no terrorists in the Middle East and that that was all a lie.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

[QUOTE="KG86"]I don't trust websites with names like polidics.ElArab

why not:S

because it's like "The Onion"

It just doesn't sound like it's serious or real.

well the link provides videos from BBC, I'm sure you trust those, or do you have another excuse?

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

[QUOTE="KG86"]I don't trust websites with names like polidics.ElArab

why not:S

because it's like "The Onion"

It just doesn't sound like it's serious or real.

Exactly.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

Thats why it was under "other info". It is not the exact topic, but it does reflect the idea that Al Quaeda is not what we are told it is.

GabuEx

Have you ever played Telephone? The game where people whisper things into other people's ears and this goes through a chain? Did the end result ever remotely resemble the initial sentence?

That's basically exactly what happens with amateur reporting on the internet. I'm sure that some CIA operative somewhere said something about al-Qaeda that contradicted in some way the things that Bush or other government officials have been saying, but I'm rather more apt to believe the version that the BBC gives than the idea that al-Qaeda does not exist, period. I'd need some awfully convincing evidence to make me believe that there are actually no terrorists in the Middle East and that that was all a lie.

Which evidence do you need?

Research Al Qaeda if you wish; they're history, creation, etc.

well the link provides videos from BBC, I'm sure you trust those, or do you have another excuse?

knowledge-funk

If the BBC's video was actually asserting that al-Qaeda actually existed, why would the BBC then run an editorial that says that it definitely does exist, but its nature just isn't what people have been told?

The only explanation that ties everything up in a neat bundle is that the BBC's video does not assert such a thing and that they have read into it what they would like it to say.

Research Al Qaeda if you wish; they're history, creation, etc.

knowledge-funk

Okay, let's go to Wikipedia.

Al-Qaeda ... is an international alliance of militant Islamic terrorist organizations founded in 1988 by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam (later replaced by Osama Bin Laden) and other veteran "Afghan Arabs" after the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

Wikipedia

Am I missing the part where it says "...and they are completely fictional and don't actually exist"?

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

Research Al Qaeda if you wish; they're history, creation, etc.

GabuEx

Okay, let's go to Wikipedia.

Al-Qaeda ... is an international alliance of militant Islamic terrorist organizations founded in 1988 by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam (later replaced by Osama Bin Laden) and other veteran "Afghan Arabs" after the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

Wikipedia

Am I missing the part where it says "...and they are completely fictional and don't actually exist"?

Firstly, wikipedia? common. I'll use my links if you choose to use what you wish.

Second, I didn't mention that their history will explain would out-right explain them being iction.

http://www.oilempire.us/qaeda.html

http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/afghans.html

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/041207Laden.htm

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/printerfriendly.php?storyid=2936

Firstly, wikipedia? common. I'll use my links if you choose to use what you wish.

Second, I didn't mention that their history will explain would out-right explain them being iction.

http://www.oilempire.us/qaeda.html

http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/afghans.html

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/041207Laden.htm

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/printerfriendly.php?storyid=2936

knowledge-funk

Wikipedia isn't just people writing whatever the heck they want. Go down to the bottom of the page if you want to look at their references. They're all from official sources: the US Department of State, the UN Security Council, Time Magazine, the Washington Post, et cetera.

No offense, but I'm inclined to trust those sources over a Geocities website and a website entitled "Oil Empire".

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

Firstly, wikipedia? common. I'll use my links if you choose to use what you wish.

Second, I didn't mention that their history will explain would out-right explain them being iction.

http://www.oilempire.us/qaeda.html

http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/afghans.html

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/041207Laden.htm

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/printerfriendly.php?storyid=2936

GabuEx

Wikipedia isn't just people writing whatever the heck they want. Go down to the bottom of the page if you want to look at their references. They're all from official sources: the US Department of State, the UN Security Council, Time Magazine, the Washington Post, et cetera.

No offense, but I'm inclined to trust those sources over a Geocities website and a website entitled "Oil Empire".

well they provide sources and proof, so I really don't see why you shouldn't trust them

"I doubt anyone would seriously question the existence of THEM; nor was this the point of the documentary - which was on how such groups BEGAN (were engineered) by specific tandem ideological influences and coterminous geopolitical forces."knowledge-funk

If you want to say something, say it; don't be cryptic about it.

well they provide sources and proof, so I really don't see why you shouldn't trust them

knowledge-funk

Sources like what?

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]"I doubt anyone would seriously question the existence of THEM; nor was this the point of the documentary - which was on how such groups BEGAN (were engineered) by specific tandem ideological influences and coterminous geopolitical forces."GabuEx

If you want to say something, say it; don't be cryptic about it.

well they provide sources and proof, so I really don't see why you shouldn't trust them

knowledge-funk

Sources like what?

LOL, you being a mod you should lighten up and be a betterrole model buddy; I'd guess your pretty new at this.

I provided my links, they provide sources and references.

Since your first post I knew you would just shut everything I say, so don't bother even posting in this thread, unless you choose to have a new outlook.

the alien technology was better, but I look forward to your next conspiracy theory.jasperrussell

I wonder if he'll mention that Fluoride was an invention created by the nazi's to propogate mind control :o I wasnt joking about that actually, some people believe it. Saw it on the cover of a conspiracy theory magazine in borders.

Since your first post I knew you would just shut everything I say, so don't bother even posting in this thread, unless you choose to have a new outlook.

knowledge-funk

You're probably the most ignorant person I've seen in the forums for a long time. It's hard to believe you take rubbish so seriously - especially when the best "source" you have is a geocities site. Pathetic.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

Research Al Qaeda if you wish; they're history, creation, etc.

knowledge-funk

Okay, let's go to Wikipedia.

Al-Qaeda ... is an international alliance of militant Islamic terrorist organizations founded in 1988 by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam (later replaced by Osama Bin Laden) and other veteran "Afghan Arabs" after the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

Wikipedia

Am I missing the part where it says "...and they are completely fictional and don't actually exist"?

Firstly, wikipedia? common. I'll use my links if you choose to use what you wish.

Second, I didn't mention that their history will explain would out-right explain them being iction.

http://www.oilempire.us/qaeda.html

http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/afghans.html

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/041207Laden.htm

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/printerfriendly.php?storyid=2936

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

Since your first post I knew you would just shut everything I say, so don't bother even posting in this thread, unless you choose to have a new outlook.

GodLovesDead

You're probably the most ignorant person I've seen in the forums for a long time. It's hard to believe you take rubbish so seriously - especially when the best "source" you have is a geocities site. Pathetic.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]I'm guessing you guys didn't read the links i provided?GabuEx

Did you? The BBC one (the only one I'm willing to treat as a trustable source) does not say that al-Qaeda is a complete fabrication; it only says that al-Qaeda is not like some monolithic military organization with a strict heirarchy of power with one mastermind at the top. Which is vastly different than claiming that al-Qaeda was entirely made up and that nothing by that name has ever actually existed.

That the terrorists are not unified under one single leader does not mean that there are no terrorists in existence.

thanx for saving me the time, couldnt have said it better myself :)

Hmm, wiki says:

What exactly al-Qaeda is, or was, remains in dispute. In the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares, writer and journalist Adam Curtis contends that the idea of al-Qaeda as a formal organization is primarily an American invention. Curtis contends the name "al-Qaeda" was first brought to the attention of the public in the 2001 trial of Osama bin Laden and the four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. As a matter of law, the U.S. Department of Justice needed to show that Osama bin Laden was the leader of a criminal organization in order to charge him in absentia under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as the RICO statutes. The name of the organization and details of its structure were provided in the testimony of Jamal al-Fadl, who claimed to be a founding member of the organization and a former employee of Osama bin Laden.[26] To quote the documentary directly:

The reality was that bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri had become the focus of a loose association of disillusioned Islamist militants who were attracted by the new strategy. But there was no organization. These were militants who mostly planned their own operations and looked to bin Laden for funding and assistance. He was not their commander. There is also no evidence that bin Laden used the term "al-Qaeda" to refer to the name of a group until after September the 11th, when he realized that this was the term the Americans had given it.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

well the link provides videos from BBC, I'm sure you trust those, or do you have another excuse?

GabuEx

If the BBC's video was actually asserting that al-Qaeda actually existed, why would the BBC then run an editorial that says that it definitely does exist, but its nature just isn't what people have been told?

The only explanation that ties everything up in a neat bundle is that the BBC's video does not assert such a thing and that they have read into it what they would like it to say.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

Thats why it was under "other info". It is not the exact topic, but it does reflect the idea that Al Quaeda is not what we are told it is.

GabuEx

Have you ever played Telephone? The game where people whisper things into other people's ears and this goes through a chain? Did the end result ever remotely resemble the initial sentence?

That's basically exactly what happens with amateur reporting on the internet. I'm sure that some CIA operative somewhere said something about al-Qaeda that contradicted in some way the things that Bush or other government officials have been saying, but I'm rather more apt to believe the version that the BBC gives than the idea that al-Qaeda does not exist, period. I'd need some awfully convincing evidence to make me believe that there are actually no terrorists in the Middle East and that that was all a lie.

Hmm, wiki says:

jointed

Still a misleading topic title. Al Qaeda (the people) exist. Though perhaps the picture painted that suggests a large, tight-nit group all concentrated on bases in specific areas may not.

They're saying Al Qaeda may not be as formal and organized as we're led to believe.

Ok, but who cares? They still need to be hunted down. Whether that means using a large standing army or small special forces units, they still need to be found and dealt with with extreme prejudice.

I actually came across Power of Nightmare just the other day. Definitely a killer documentary that can flame the souls of those whose actually decide to listen.

If this information was held in a BBC Documentary, don't you think people that have influence beyond the internet would say something?

Common sense is a rare thing, nowadays. I hate conspiracy theorists.