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#1 clyde46
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwAo8lcAC4

A well thought through argument on todays media coverage of tradegies.

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#2 MrGeezer
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Considering his point about how the focus should be on the vicctims and how to prevent such tragedies, it's pretty odd how little attention he actually gave to the victims. And I don't recall him giving any ideas on how to prevent such things from occuring. Pretty much all of that was simply damning the news media and then defending his precious videogames.
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#3 EmpCom
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Well thought through in what way exactly
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Seen it, was a good listen.

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#5 frannkzappa
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Considering his point about how the focus should be on the vicctims and how to prevent such tragedies, it's pretty odd how little attention he actually gave to the victims. And I don't recall him giving any ideas on how to prevent such things from occuring. Pretty much all of that was simply damning the news media and then defending his precious videogames.MrGeezer

well that was the point, he wasn't trying to cover a news story.

btw you're on a video game website.

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#6 MrGeezer
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well that was the point, he wasn't trying to cover a news story.

btw you're on a video game website.

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So it's somehow okay, as long as the person does what they're trying to do? Well in that case, the news media is trying to make money. They aren't trying to go "look at me, I'm so great because I didn't make any money off of this youtube video." It's a business, making money is their jobs, and the scapegoating and sensationalism that he criticizes accomplishes exactly that.
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#7 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

well that was the point, he wasn't trying to cover a news story.

btw you're on a video game website.

MrGeezer

So it's somehow okay, as long as the person does what they're trying to do?

Well in that case, the news media is trying to make money. They aren't trying to go "look at me, I'm so great because I didn't make any money off of this youtube video." It's a business, making money is their jobs, and the scapegoating and sensationalism that he criticizes accomplishes exactly that.

The purpose of a business is to ethically bring a desirable product/service to a consumer, while preventing themselves from going under. Well that's what their purpose to society is, internally you are right. They'd 'love' to be as cut-throat as possible, enslaving you to make an arbitrary, unspendable, number in their bank account increase.

It's disgusting and exploitative for the media to cover a story in this way. They martyr the murderer and produce copycats.

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#8 MrGeezer
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The purpose of a business is to ethically bring a desirable product/service to a consumer, while preventing themselves from going under. Well that's what their purpose to society is, internally you are right. They'd 'love' to be as cut-throat as possible, enslaving you to make an arbitrary, unspendable, number in their bank account increase.

It's disgusting and exploitative for the media to cover a story in this way. They martyr the murderer and produce copycats.

Inconsistancy
Uh...you do realize that "exploitative" is the very nature of how pretty much all news has always operated, right? Look at that topic on this forum about the rock star who got arrested for conspiring to rape a baby. Notice how the story isn't focused on the victim, it's focused on the criminals. Do you see anyone in THAT thread complaining about how there's too much focus on the criminal? Does that story simply encourage people to go out and rape babies? The news media isn't "enslaving" anyone, they're giving people what they want. And what people want is entertainment. An interesting story. And the story of a deranged killer is a more interesting story than talking about victims. "Man shoots 20 people" is a far more interesting story than "a man got shot". That's what the news media does. They sell stories that people want to hear. If you think they've got blood on their hands for that, then the whole defense of videogames is on really shaky ground because all it'd take is for one person to come forward and say that he committed his crimes after being inspired by something in a videogame.
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#9 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

The purpose of a business is to ethically bring a desirable product/service to a consumer, while preventing themselves from going under. Well that's what their purpose to society is, internally you are right. They'd 'love' to be as cut-throat as possible, enslaving you to make an arbitrary, unspendable, number in their bank account increase.

It's disgusting and exploitative for the media to cover a story in this way. They martyr the murderer and produce copycats.

MrGeezer

Uh...you do realize that "exploitative" is the very nature of how pretty much all news has always operated, right? Look at that topic on this forum about the rock star who got arrested for conspiring to rape a baby. Notice how the story isn't focused on the victim, it's focused on the criminals. Do you see anyone in THAT thread complaining about how there's too much focus on the criminal? Does that story simply encourage people to go out and rape babies? The news media isn't "enslaving" anyone, they're giving people what they want. And what people want is entertainment. An interesting story. And the story of a deranged killer is a more interesting story than talking about victims. "Man shoots 20 people" is a far more interesting story than "a man got shot".

That's what the news media does. They sell stories that people want to hear. If you think they've got blood on their hands for that, then the whole defense of videogames is on really shaky ground because all it'd take is for one person to come forward and say that he committed his crimes after being inspired by something in a videogame.

I see you only fully read all of one sentence, and saw the word "enslave", nice job.

I'll try to make this easier for you.

It is wrong, regardless of whether or not it is the norm, for the media to cover stories in this sensationalist manner that martyrs criminals and produces copycats. And my use of "enslave" wasn't towards the 'news media' itself, but the cut-throat behavior of unregulated businesses in general (see: sweat shops) and why we, as a society, demand them to be ethical (especially through laws).

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#10 MrGeezer
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I see you only fully read all of one sentence, and saw the word "enslave", nice job.

I'll try to make this easier for you.

It is wrong, regardless of whether or not it is the norm, for the media to cover stories in this sensationalist manner that martyrs criminals and produces copycats. And my use of "enslave" wasn't towards the 'news media' itself, but the cut-throat behavior of unregulated businesses in general (see: sweat shops) and why we, as a society, demand them to be ethical (especially through laws).

Inconsistancy
Is sensationalism wrong? Or is it only wrong when it's a story about a school shooting? It could be a story about a school shooting, a story about the bird flu, or a story about the rising price of gas. Regardless of what the story is, it's the job of the news to deliver it in a way that is both true (though not necessarily unbiased) and interesting. And that's the formula they use for pretty much every single story they run. Do you really have a problem with that, or do you only have a problem with that when it happens to be a story about a shooting?
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#11 Laihendi
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He didn't spend enough time criticizing people who being so gullible and eager to accept/promote whatever misinformation the MSM puts out. They are responsible for propping up these organizations by watching/reading/paying them.