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#1 killblade37
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Supreme court refuses to block execution

http://news.yahoo.com/us-supreme-court-refuses-block-execution-troy-davis-021930079.html

I cant see how there is so much doubt that he has done it yet they still execute him its a shame

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Thinking about this case makes me sick.
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#3 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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I wish there was some unbiased source to read about all the details of this thing from.

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#4 chessmaster1989
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Well, we can only hope that he was guilty and that Georgia isn't executing an innocent man.
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#5 squitsquat
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don't know alot about the case but i hope the guy is guilty since they are gonna execute him

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#6 SF_KiLLaMaN
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I wish there was some unbiased source to read about all the details of this thing from.

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I know. People act as if the media always tells the whole story. They want to make drama to boost their ratings. I wouldn't claim that he is innocent or guilty based solely on what I hear on the news.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I wish there was some unbiased source to read about all the details of this thing from.

SF_KiLLaMaN

I know. People act as if the media always tells the whole story. They want to make drama to boost their ratings. I wouldn't claim that he is innocent or guilty based solely on what I hear on the news.

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#8 Dgalmun
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Guy deserves a chance.
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#9 SaintLeonidas
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I thought when there was even a shred of doubt as to whether someone commited a murder you couldn't find them guilty? Isn't that what everyone was talking about with Casey Anthony? If you don't see any doubt in this case than you are either blind or ignorant. The whole case is sickening.Seven of the nine witnesses recant or contradicted their testimony, a total lack of physical evidence including a murder weapon, flimsy investigations and procedures before the trail, tons and tons of doubt and speculation, support to appeal the case has ranged from former President Jimmy Carter, the Pope and a former FBI director... and yet Troy Davis will still be executed. Guilty or not, the idea of a man being put to death when so many details say he is innocent is a travesty. Better to be white in Florida than black in Georgia. Something is clearly wrong with the justice system in the US.

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Gotta love this country's system. Uhmerica

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I would of expected a 5-4 decision upholding the conviction had it gone that far.
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#12 JML897
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Stay cIassy, Ann Coulter.

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]I thought when there was even a shred of doubt as to whether someone commited a murder you couldn't find them guilty? thegerg
then you thought wrong. The legal standard of evidence for a criminal conviction is simply proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not proof beyond a shred of doubt.

So there is no reasonable doubt? When witnesses recant, when a man steps forward and cliams he was the on who infact did the killing, when no phsycial evidence is found, no DNA, when officers are accused of tampering with the investigation, trying to sway witnesses, no murder weapon found...no I can definitely see how someone could not in anyway have any level of doubt.

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Stay cIassy, Ann Coulter.

JML897

A better link to Ann Coulter's column on Troy Davis. She is right, the media only tells you what it wants to tell you, especially the liberal media.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]I thought when there was even a shred of doubt as to whether someone commited a murder you couldn't find them guilty? SaintLeonidas

then you thought wrong. The legal standard of evidence for a criminal conviction is simply proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not proof beyond a shred of doubt.

So there is no reasonable doubt? When witnesses recant, when a man steps forward and cliams he was the on who infact did the killing, when no phsycial evidence is found, no DNA, when officers are accused of tampering with the investigation, trying to sway witnesses, no murder weapon found...no I can definitely see how someone could not in anyway have any level of doubt.

He didn't say that, he just said it's reasonable doubt not shred of doubt.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]I thought when there was even a shred of doubt as to whether someone commited a murder you couldn't find them guilty? SaintLeonidas

then you thought wrong. The legal standard of evidence for a criminal conviction is simply proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not proof beyond a shred of doubt.

So there is no reasonable doubt? When witnesses recant, when a man steps forward and cliams he was the on who infact did the killing, when no phsycial evidence is found, no DNA, when officers are accused of tampering with the investigation, trying to sway witnesses, no murder weapon found...no I can definitely see how someone could not in anyway have any level of doubt.

Read the linked to Ann Coulter column, shell casings are physical evidence. 34 witnesses were presented by the prosecution, not just 9.

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[QUOTE="JML897"]

Stay cIassy, Ann Coulter.

WhiteKnight77

A better link to Ann Coulter's column on Troy Davis. She is right, the media only tells you what it wants to tell you, especially the liberal media.

So the media can't be trusted but ANN COULTER can be? Okay.
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] then you thought wrong. The legal standard of evidence for a criminal conviction is simply proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not proof beyond a shred of doubt.WhiteKnight77

So there is no reasonable doubt? When witnesses recant, when a man steps forward and cliams he was the on who infact did the killing, when no phsycial evidence is found, no DNA, when officers are accused of tampering with the investigation, trying to sway witnesses, no murder weapon found...no I can definitely see how someone could not in anyway have any level of doubt.

Read the linked to Ann Coulter column, shell casings are physical evidence. 34 witnesses were presented by the prosecution, not just 9.

:lol: people call for a non-bias link and they refer to an Ann Coulter column? Are you serious? No matter if they had shell casings or more witnesses, the events surrounding the entire trail are in no way enough to support putting a man to death. There should be no doubt, what so ever if you want to support executing someone.

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A better link to Ann Coulter's column on Troy Davis. She is right, the media only tells you what it wants to tell you, especially the liberal media.

WhiteKnight77

Hold the phone, you mean Ann Coulter said this?!?!?!?!?!

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#21 James161324
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22 years is more than enough time to find someway to prove him not guilty and they did not

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#22 Genesis-X
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22 years is more than enough time to find someway to prove him not guilty and they did not

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No physical evidence. Seven out of nine witnesses recanted. One of the two remaining witnesses was being investigated. If that isn't enough to provide doubt, then nothing is.
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A better link to Ann Coulter's column on Troy Davis. She is right, the media only tells you what it wants to tell you, especially the liberal media.WhiteKnight77
"There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years"
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Gotta love this country's system. Uhmerica

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I thought they issued a stay for 7 days to evaluate whether they wanted to block it or not.

Edit: Looks like that's not the case. His sentence has now been carried out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/21/national/main20109883.shtml

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[QUOTE="Genesis-X"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Stay cIassy, Ann Coulter.

A better link to Ann Coulter's column on Troy Davis. She is right, the media only tells you what it wants to tell you, especially the liberal media.

So the media can't be trusted but ANN COULTER can be? Okay.

That was my thought too.
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#28 Ace6301
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So if Ann Coulter supports his killing then does that mean he is 100% innocent? I'm pretty sure that woman hasn't been right in her life. Her support should at least be enough to get him off death row and into a regular life sentence.
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#29 Piroshki
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I thought they issued a stay for 7 days to evaluate whether they wanted to block it or not.

Edit: Looks like that's not the case. His sentence has now been carried out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/21/national/main20109883.shtml

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] then you thought wrong. The legal standard of evidence for a criminal conviction is simply proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not proof beyond a shred of doubt.thegerg

So there is no reasonable doubt? When witnesses recant, when a man steps forward and cliams he was the on who infact did the killing, when no phsycial evidence is found, no DNA, when officers are accused of tampering with the investigation, trying to sway witnesses, no murder weapon found...no I can definitely see how someone could not in anyway have any level of doubt.

At what point did I say that there is no reasonable doubt? I am simply saying that you are wrong to think one can not be convicted if there is a shred of doubt.

I wasn't talking about the actual "legal standards", if you read what I first posted I was referring to claims that OTHER peoplemade after the Casey Anthony trial about how they claimed that there can not be a conviction when there is a even a 'shred of doubt' or something along those lines. Either way I was wrong how? In that I what, did not use the correct 'legal term' even though I was referring to what others said and one could easily understand what I meant to say?

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#32 Wanderer5
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Looks like its been done. Will be very sad if he was actually innocent.

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Racism at its finest America...
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I think given that one of the witnesses claims he was coerced by investigators into giving false testimony is reason to speak with the other witnesses into how it came they provided false statements in which they recanted their statements later on, being as there was not one shred of material evidence, federal courts records show there was no point of contention with the flawed ballistic evidence so this case sits solely on the testimony of witness statements, and since almost all those statements have come under question I think that should have merited that they look into the witness testimony that convinced him, and again investigate allegations of coercion by investigators to get witnesses to provide them false testimony.
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I wouldn't be to surprised if he was killed
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Racism at its finest America...MgamerBD
Of course it is. Every time a black person gets committed of a crime it's racism. That was sarcasm by the way if you couldn't tell. Kinda tired of hearing that word thrown around every time a black person gets committed of a crime. If you all want to start jumping to conclusions and saying he is innocent based off of what the media has told you then fine. I'll reserve my judgment as I and none of you know the whole story.

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Truly disgusting that in 2011 we have innocent men being executed by the State. Words cannot express my anger, disappointment and disgust.

A sad day for justice and a sad day for America.

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] At what point did I say that there is no reasonable doubt? I am simply saying that you are wrong to think one can not be convicted if there is a shred of doubt.thegerg

I wasn't talking about the actual "legal standards", if you read what I first posted I was referring to claims that OTHERmade after the Casey Anthony trial about how there can be not a conviction when there is a 'shred of doubt'. Either way I was wrong how? In that I what, did not use the correct'legalterm' even though I was referring to what others said?

You were wrong because you seem to have thought that one can not be convicted if there exists a shred of doubt.

...again you COMPLETELY ignored what I actually posted. I'll repeat myself in hopes that is actually gets through this time. I never said I thought one can not be convicted if there exists a shred of doubt, I said OTHER PEOPLE, other people...shall I repeat? Other people made that claim to defend the decision made after the Casey Anthony trail.

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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Racism at its finest America...SF_KiLLaMaN

Of course it is. Every time a black person gets committed of a crime it's racism. That was sarcasm by the way if you couldn't tell. Kinda tired of hearing that word thrown around every time a black person gets committed of a crime. If you all want to start jumping to conclusions and saying he is innocent based off of what the media has told you then fine. I'll reserve my judgment as I and none of you know the whole story.

Given that there was some pretty legit doubt put on to the case he should have had his sentence changed to life.
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Racism at its finest America...SF_KiLLaMaN

Of course it is. Every time a black person gets committed of a crime it's racism. That was sarcasm by the way if you couldn't tell. Kinda tired of hearing that word thrown around every time a black person gets committed of a crime. If you all want to start jumping to conclusions and saying he is innocent based off of what the media has told you then fine. I'll reserve my judgment as I and none of you know the whole story.

Casey Anthony had no evidence whatsoever and was set free. Everybody...I mean EVERYBODY know she did it. Troy Davis has no evidence whatsoever and is put to death row. Not even a life sentence. If this isn't racism..what is?
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Sad that people even want it blocked.
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Racism at its finest America...SF_KiLLaMaN

Of course it is. Every time a black person gets committed of a crime it's racism. That was sarcasm by the way if you couldn't tell. Kinda tired of hearing that word thrown around every time a black person gets committed of a crime. If you all want to start jumping to conclusions and saying he is innocent based off of what the media has told you then fine. I'll reserve my judgment as I and none of you know the whole story.

A few things: 1. You don't hear "racism" everytime a black person is convicted of a crime. 2. No physical evidence. 3. 7/9 witnesses recanted, one of the remaining two was investigated 4. Georgia. 5. Black man kills white cop. Not a stretch to call this exactly what it was. Racism.
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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Racism at its finest America...Genesis-X

Of course it is. Every time a black person gets committed of a crime it's racism. That was sarcasm by the way if you couldn't tell. Kinda tired of hearing that word thrown around every time a black person gets committed of a crime. If you all want to start jumping to conclusions and saying he is innocent based off of what the media has told you then fine. I'll reserve my judgment as I and none of you know the whole story.

A few things: 1. You don't hear "racism" everytime a black person is convicted of a crime. 2. No physical evidence. 3. 7/9 witnesses recanted, one of the remaining two was investigated 4. Georgia. 5. Black man kills white cop. Not a stretch to call this exactly what it was. Racism.

I'm a white guy from Canada and honestly it seems kind of like racism had a part in it. Sounds like some good ol' police coercion was used too.
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and just an update for those who might not already know he eax executed around 11 tonight

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Like killblade said Davis has been executed.

au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/10317560/police-killer-Troy-Davis-executed

Gamespot wont let me link.

if you have firefox just right click and open in new tab. If you don't HTTP://

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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Racism at its finest America...MgamerBD

Of course it is. Every time a black person gets committed of a crime it's racism. That was sarcasm by the way if you couldn't tell. Kinda tired of hearing that word thrown around every time a black person gets committed of a crime. If you all want to start jumping to conclusions and saying he is innocent based off of what the media has told you then fine. I'll reserve my judgment as I and none of you know the whole story.

Casey Anthony had no evidence whatsoever and was set free. Everybody...I mean EVERYBODY know she did it. Troy Davis has no evidence whatsoever and is put to death row. Not even a life sentence. If this isn't racism..what is?

Wrong. Casey Anthony was set free because the evidence they had didn't support the charges they brought her to court on. It has been said several times by legal analysts that she should have been charged with criminally negligent homicide, and likely would be serving prison time as we speak.

As to Davis' execution: if he exhausted his appeals, and even the Supreme Court couldn't find any evidence that Davis' trial was in any way unfair (which would have to be the case to take on his appeal), then his execution is justified.

From reading an interview of the DA in the case from CNN in another thread, I have my own doubts as to the validity of the claims of no physical evidence and faulty eyewitness testimony. Twenty years is a long time to stall, maneuver and otherwise screw around with the court system: if in all of that time no one has found grounds to overturn the conviction (such as judicial and prosecutorial misconduct, and police tampering with evidence and witnesses) and retry him, then he did it and needs to have his sentence carried out.

And before people begin screaming "RACISM!!!"... are you sure? Can you be 100% positive that in all of the time this has been in trial and appeals, that not one African-American served on a jury during proceedings in this case?

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As to Davis' execution: if he exhausted his appeals, and even the Supreme Court couldn't find any evidence that Davis' trial was in any way unfair (which would have to be the case to take on his appeal), then his execution is justified.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

As to Davis' execution: if he exhausted his appeals, and even the Supreme Court couldn't find any evidence that Davis' trial was in any way unfair (which would have to be the case to take on his appeal), then his execution is justified.

The death penalty is never justified, nor is it justice.

For children killers I'd say it is justified. I am, however, against the almost 100% death penalty on those who kill cops. I say a cop's life is no different than any other adult.
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[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

As to Davis' execution: if he exhausted his appeals, and even the Supreme Court couldn't find any evidence that Davis' trial was in any way unfair (which would have to be the case to take on his appeal), then his execution is justified.

Ace6301

The death penalty is never justified, nor is it justice.

If a person knowingly and deliberately kills another human being in cold blood, it's always justified. To let someone who is willing to take a human life back out into society, knowing what they are capable of... hell, even to risk it happening by accident... is just ******* irresponsible.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

As to Davis' execution: if he exhausted his appeals, and even the Supreme Court couldn't find any evidence that Davis' trial was in any way unfair (which would have to be the case to take on his appeal), then his execution is justified.

OrkHammer007

The death penalty is never justified, nor is it justice.

If a person knowingly and deliberately kills another human being in cold blood, it's always justified. To let someone who is willing to take a human life back out into society, knowing what they are capable of... hell, even to risk it happening by accident... is just ******* irresponsible.

Anyone is capable of killing. Perhaps you've lived a sheltered life, good for you.