TX father charged with murder after shooting drunk driver who killed his sons

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I would agree that this individual deserved a day in court if a sentence of "run over by a car" or "killed by parent of victim" was possible.   

airshocker

How fascist of you.

Not at all.  This man was obviously avenging a crime committed against his sons, using his own means.  Nobody seems to be questioning that this person was the driver. 

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

hartsickdiscipl

It doesn't matter what you agree with. Every citizen has the right to a trial in the US. That's not something that can be just thrown out the window when it's convenient.

Not at all.  This man was obviously avenging a crime committed against his sons, using his own means.  Nobody seems to be questioning that this person was the driver. 

hartsickdiscipl

Yes, actually. When you advocate that the driver didn't deserve a trial that is very fascist.

lol harts i see you're aligning yourself with Obama very nicely when it comes to lack of trial by juryDroidPhysX

[QUOTE="Rich3232"]

do you believe people should have the right to a fair trial?

Stesilaus

If all US citizens have the right to a fair trial, then why didn't Anwar al-Awlaki get one?

He shot a guy dead so he's a murderer, no doubts about it.

It would be disgusting and a disgrace against the justice system if he doesn't get sentenced. Although he could get a reduced sentence due to the motive.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]lol harts i see you're aligning yourself with Obama very nicely when it comes to lack of trial by juryShadowJax04

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did.  Probably nothing.  I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago.  Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime.  

Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]lol harts i see you're aligning yourself with Obama very nicely when it comes to lack of trial by juryhartsickdiscipl

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not at all.  This man was obviously avenging a crime committed against his sons, using his own means.  Nobody seems to be questioning that this person was the driver. 

airshocker

Yes, actually. When you advocate that the driver didn't deserve a trial that is very fascist.

And what do you think a fair sentence would be?

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

hartsickdiscipl

I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did.  Probably nothing.  I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago.  Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime.  

Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

It's not even close to the same thing that Obama does.  You know better.  

hartsickdiscipl

This man is not the head of a government, representing the whole nation.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]lol harts i see you're aligning yourself with Obama very nicely when it comes to lack of trial by juryRich3232

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

Obama has a decent portion of the media backing up most of his actions.  He commits atrocities in the name of the US, which is a much greater offense than a father killing the murderer of his sons, IMO.  

And what do you think a fair sentence would be?

hartsickdiscipl

Death. None of this changes the fact that what you are proposing is extremely dangerous. The courts and their appointed officers dispense justice. That's our way.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Some times a picture says more than a thousand words. If you're not trolling you might want to live somewhere less developed, though.ShadowJax04

I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did.  Probably nothing.  I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago.  Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime.  

Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver?

The state kills people.  The father didn't torture anyone as far as I've read. 

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal. Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions. That's far more dangerous to society as a whole. hartsickdiscipl

That's not the point. The point is this is the sort of thing you want to avoid riling up people over, basically killing people and at worst, torturing them on an open street with kids around is a VERY primitive idea.

He may not have tortured anyone but when you advocate 'helping' people in these vigilante situations that's eventually what you end up getting.

Their could be mitigating factors, how drunk was the driver? Did his blood alcohol level surpass the legal limit in that particular region of the country? How visible was the victim? Could the accident have been avoid by a non impaired driver? These are the things that are argued before a judge in the court of law and laws are how we govern society as a whole. IF we cannot follow through on the simple promise of a fair-unbiased trial system, the very foundation of this republic is troubled. 

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

And what do you think a fair sentence would be?

airshocker

Death. None of this changes the fact that what you are proposing is extremely dangerous. The courts and their appointed officers dispense justice. That's our way.

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]lol harts i see you're aligning yourself with Obama very nicely when it comes to lack of trial by juryRich3232

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] [QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Some times a picture says more than a thousand words. If you're not trolling you might want to live somewhere less developed, though.ShadowJax04

That's not the point. The point is this is the sort of thing you want to avoid riling up people over, basically killing people and at worst, torturing them on an open street with kids around is a VERY primitive idea.

He may not have tortured anyone but when you advocate 'helping' people in these vigilante situations that's eventually what you end up getting.

Let's say for a minute that the people hanging from the trees weren't lynched because of their race.  Let's say they were white murderers.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I'm much more willing to agree with a private citizen acting out due to a grievous loss inflicted by a negligent criminal.  Obama the leader of an increasingly tyrannical government as he carries out his actions.  That's far more dangerous to society as a whole.  

toast_burner

I've seen both.  

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did. Probably nothing. I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago. Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime. Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver? hartsickdiscipl

That's not the point. The point is this is the sort of thing you want to avoid riling up people over, basically killing people and at worst, torturing them on an open street with kids around is a VERY primitive idea.

He may not have tortured anyone but when you advocate 'helping' people in these vigilante situations that's eventually what you end up getting.

Let's say for a minute that the people hanging from the trees weren't lynched because of their race.  Let's say they were white murderers.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

Let's say they weren't. This is the problem with mob / vigilante justice. You obviously simply don't know when that many people get together and start killing over some biased opinion that a black / white dude may or may not have stolen something or committed some crime. Things start flying. This is why we have law systems.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Some times a picture says more than a thousand words. If you're not trolling you might want to live somewhere less developed, though.Rich3232

I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did.  Probably nothing.  I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago.  Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime.  

Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver?

Who said he was drunk?  Where did we get that idea?

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did. Probably nothing. I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago. Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime. Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver? hartsickdiscipl

That's not the point. The point is this is the sort of thing you want to avoid riling up people over, basically killing people and at worst, torturing them on an open street with kids around is a VERY primitive idea.

He may not have tortured anyone but when you advocate 'helping' people in these vigilante situations that's eventually what you end up getting.

 Let's say they were american terrorists.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

That's not the point. The point is this is the sort of thing you want to avoid riling up people over, basically killing people and at worst, torturing them on an open street with kids around is a VERY primitive idea.

He may not have tortured anyone but when you advocate 'helping' people in these vigilante situations that's eventually what you end up getting.

ShadowJax04

Let's say for a minute that the people hanging from the trees weren't lynched because of their race.  Let's say they were white murderers.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

Let's say they weren't. This is the problem with mob / vigilante justice. You obviously simply don't know when that many people get together and start killing. Things start flying. This is why we have law systems.

Can you deny that the crowd both eliminated 2 murderers of innocent people and saved taxpayers money?

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I'd like to know what those people hanging in the trees did.  Probably nothing.  I assume these are photos taken in the southern US decades ago.  Obviously being a member of a certain race is not a crime.  

Is anyone questioning whether or not the person shot was the driver?

hartsickdiscipl

Who said he was drunk?  Where did we get that idea?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

That's not the point. The point is this is the sort of thing you want to avoid riling up people over, basically killing people and at worst, torturing them on an open street with kids around is a VERY primitive idea.

He may not have tortured anyone but when you advocate 'helping' people in these vigilante situations that's eventually what you end up getting.

Rich3232

 Let's say they were american terrorists.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

Editing other people's posts..  I thought you would be above that.  

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Let's say for a minute that the people hanging from the trees weren't lynched because of their race.  Let's say they were white murderers.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

hartsickdiscipl

Let's say they weren't. This is the problem with mob / vigilante justice. You obviously simply don't know when that many people get together and start killing. Things start flying. This is why we have law systems.

Can you deny that the crowd both eliminated 2 murderers of innocent people and saved taxpayers money?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] yes, we assume that the person is innocent until proven guilty. the alleged drunk driver was killed before he could have been proven guilty in a court of law. Rich3232

Who said he was drunk?  Where did we get that idea?

Alleged by?  What testing methods gave someone that idea? 

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

Let's say they weren't. This is the problem with mob / vigilante justice. You obviously simply don't know when that many people get together and start killing. Things start flying. This is why we have law systems.

ShadowJax04

Can you deny that the crowd both eliminated 2 murderers of innocent people and saved taxpayers money?

You don't have to guess.  

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

 Let's say they were american terrorists.  The people who killed them just did society a favor.  

hartsickdiscipl

Editing other people's posts..  I thought you would be above that.  

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Can you deny that the crowd both eliminated 2 murderers of innocent people and saved taxpayers money?

hartsickdiscipl

You don't have to guess.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] What's the essential difference between the two? -Sun_Tzu-

This man is not the head of a government, representing the whole nation.  

I agree that it would be better to let the courts at least have a shot at getting it right.  Unfortunately a fair sentence isn't on the books, so... nahh.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Death sentences is not a game of guessing which is still the pointShadowJax04

You don't have to guess.  

I wasn't aware that one man constitutes a lynch mob.  

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Eye for an eye is not anarchy.  It's a different, simpler method of obtaining justice.  

hartsickdiscipl

I say it is justice.  That father just saved taxpayers the price of incarcerating the real murderer- the drunk driver.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] why hello, Obama! nice to meet you. Rich3232

Editing other people's posts..  I thought you would be above that.  

Xenu?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] why hello, Obama! nice to meet you. Rich3232

Editing other people's posts..  I thought you would be above that.  

Obama's rationalization doesn't come from a sense of justice.  It comes from being a power-hungry puppet of the New World Order.  He's putting fear into the whole American public.  The motivation is the difference between what these men do.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] um no, it pretty much is, and that's not justice either. Legolas_Katarn

I say it is justice.  That father just saved taxpayers the price of incarcerating the real murderer- the drunk driver.  

I don't see why.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] um no, it pretty much is, and that's not justice either. Legolas_Katarn

I say it is justice.  That father just saved taxpayers the price of incarcerating the real murderer- the drunk driver.  

I have never understood how the ending of somone's life provides joy or closure to any type of criminal activity. Killing that person isn't going to bring you loved one back and you'll just have another death on the books. 

I have never understood how the ending of somone's life provides joy or closure to any type of criminal activity. Killing that person isn't going to bring you loved one back and you'll just have another death on the books. 

Yusuke420

And another drunk driver off the roads.  

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Editing other people's posts..  I thought you would be above that.  

hartsickdiscipl

Obama's rationalization doesn't come from a sense of justice.  It comes from being a power-hungry puppet of the New World Order.  He's putting fear into the whole American public.  The motivation is the difference between what these men do.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] you are almost verbatim using Obama's rationalization for killing alleged american citizens without a trial. your hero (forgot his name) would be ashamed of ya, mate. Ace6301

Obama's rationalization doesn't come from a sense of justice.  It comes from being a power-hungry puppet of the New World Order.  He's putting fear into the whole American public.  The motivation is the difference between what these men do.  

The difference is that you have zero evidence that I've killed anyone.  You can't say the same about Obama.  

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Obama's rationalization doesn't come from a sense of justice.  It comes from being a power-hungry puppet of the New World Order.  He's putting fear into the whole American public.  The motivation is the difference between what these men do.  

hartsickdiscipl

The difference is that you have zero evidence that I've killed anyone.  You can't say the same about Obama.  

I think the father deserves what he gets because hes guilty as charged. The fact that he killed him on the scene and actually had to leave and return with his gun is especially heinous to me. Its one thing to kill in the moment and another to go home get your gun and come back to kill. I completely understand his rage and its highly likely he will get off light when a jury hears the story but he is guilty and i personally wouldn't have committed murder. The justice system may not be perfect but rest assured the life of a  drunk driver who's killed two kids is indeed over. Killing him was actually In reality a reprieve. My point being that it wasn't like this guy was just gonna get away with it.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Obama's rationalization doesn't come from a sense of justice.  It comes from being a power-hungry puppet of the New World Order.  He's putting fear into the whole American public.  The motivation is the difference between what these men do.  

hartsickdiscipl

The difference is that you have zero evidence that I've killed anyone.  You can't say the same about Obama.