TX father charged with murder after shooting drunk driver who killed his sons

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] And you supporting the murder of the driver stems from you being an insane serial killing psychopath and not your sense of justice. Oh hey I can throw out accusations with zero grounding in reality to demonize people too. Ace6301

The difference is that you have zero evidence that I've killed anyone.  You can't say the same about Obama.  

My claim has a lot of evidence that you choose to ignore.  Yours has none.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I have never understood how the ending of somone's life provides joy or closure to any type of criminal activity. Killing that person isn't going to bring you loved one back and you'll just have another death on the books. 

hartsickdiscipl

And another drunk driver off the roads.  

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I have never understood how the ending of somone's life provides joy or closure to any type of criminal activity. Killing that person isn't going to bring you loved one back and you'll just have another death on the books. 

Yusuke420

And another drunk driver off the roads.  

Yeah, I guess we'll never know if this guy would or wouldn't have become a better person.  What we do know is that he ended the lives of 2 kids by being a complete idiot.  

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

mrbojangles25

Do you believe that "eye for an eye" or as close as possible is justice?  I do.  What could be more just?

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

mrbojangles25

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

mrbojangles25

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

And another drunk driver off the roads.  

hartsickdiscipl

Yeah, I guess we'll never know if this guy would or wouldn't have become a better person.  What we do know is that he ended the lives of 2 kids by being a complete idiot.  

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

mrbojangles25

That would be ridiculous, mob rule is much more effective and has never failed.

This thread is great.  So many people defending the justice system.  In general I agree with the idea of due process.  Sometimes the process is pretty fast and simple though.. like i turned out to be for this drunk driver.  

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

hartsickdiscipl

Do you believe that "eye for an eye" or as close as possible is justice?  I do.  What could be more just?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

toast_burner

That would be ridiculous, mob rule is much more effective and has never failed.

People indoctrinated by our society?  That doesn't seem like a better option.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

the replies in this thread make me afraid that, should I or anyone I know be charged with anything, we are judged "by our peers".

My peers, myself included, apparently dont know squat about justice.  Only revenge and "getting even". 

toast_burner

Do you believe that "eye for an eye" or as close as possible is justice?  I do.  What could be more just?

I don't know how you can say that.  

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]  Somewhere else dozens of adults are doing he same thing. This person made a mistake, there have been plenty of drivers who go on to reoffend, but this man will never have the chance to turn this tragedy into something positive. A lot of former DUI manslauter case end with the driver learning a very harsh lesson and becoming a better person for it. 

Ace6301

Yeah, I guess we'll never know if this guy would or wouldn't have become a better person.  What we do know is that he ended the lives of 2 kids by being a complete idiot.  

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Do you believe that "eye for an eye" or as close as possible is justice?  I do.  What could be more just?

hartsickdiscipl

I don't know how you can say that.  

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

 

Yeah, I guess we'll never know if this guy would or wouldn't have become a better person.  What we do know is that he ended the lives of 2 kids by being a complete idiot.  

hartsickdiscipl

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Letting all the criminals in the world walk free would be more just than gunning them down.

toast_burner

I don't know how you can say that.  

Still don't know how you could think that.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] So you advocate that we should kill everyone who accidentally ends the lives of anyone? toast_burner

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

Was he drunk or not?  

Maybe on a second or third offense, but death from a one time mistake is much to harsh a penalty for me to support. 

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

 

Yeah, I guess we'll never know if this guy would or wouldn't have become a better person.  What we do know is that he ended the lives of 2 kids by being a complete idiot.  

hartsickdiscipl

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

Maybe on a second or third offense, but death from a one time mistake is much to harsh a penalty for me to support. 

Yusuke420

Oh.. so you get a few mulligans when it comes to running people over while drunk?  Fantastic.  Where should we set the bar?  3 deaths?  4?  10?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

The difference is that you have zero evidence that I've killed anyone.  You can't say the same about Obama.  

hartsickdiscipl

My claim has a lot of evidence that you choose to ignore.  Yours has none.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] So you advocate that we should kill everyone who accidentally ends the lives of anyone? Ace6301

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

Your shallow assessment of my character is neither accurate nor relevant.  I can't think of a workplace accident not involving willful intoxication that would equate to killing someone while driving drunk.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

hartsickdiscipl

Was he drunk or not?  

You're saying it's ok to shoot someone dead if they run over you're family, but then say it's not ok if it truly were an accident. At the moment it would be impossible to tell if it were an accident or not, so in your flawed system of vigilantism it would be ok to shot them regardless. 

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]So lets say that was the case what happened here and the dad only assumed he was drunk while really he was innocent. How would you perfect justice system work then?

toast_burner

Was he drunk or not?  

You're saying it's ok to shoot someone dead if they run over you're family, but then say it's not ok if it truly were an accident. At the moment it would be impossible to tell if it were an accident or not, so in your flawed system of vigilantism it would be ok to shot them regardless. 

You're saying that it's impossible to tell if someone is drunk?

Tell me that thought doesn't send shivers down your spine.mattbbpl

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Was he drunk or not?  

hartsickdiscipl

You're saying it's ok to shoot someone dead if they run over you're family, but then say it's not ok if it truly were an accident. At the moment it would be impossible to tell if it were an accident or not, so in your flawed system of vigilantism it would be ok to shot them regardless. 

You're saying that it's impossible to tell if someone is drunk?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

If someone's car malfunctions and they hit someone as a result, of course not.  If they choose to become intoxicated, then choose to get behind the wheel of a car and end up killing someone because of it.. I can think of worse policies.  

hartsickdiscipl

Your shallow assessment of my character is neither accurate nor relevant.  I can't think of a workplace accident not involving willful intoxication that would equate to killing someone while driving drunk.  

 I would understand the resoning behind it, but honestly killing somone because they wronged you achieves nothing. It doesn't bring your loved one back and it doesn't make you feel any better knowing you took from someone something that no person has the right to take. Revenge is nothing more then a childish fantasy that humanity would do better to rid itself of the notion. Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Maybe on a second or third offense, but death from a one time mistake is much to harsh a penalty for me to support. 

hartsickdiscipl

Oh.. so you get a few mulligans when it comes to running people over while drunk?  Fantastic.  Where should we set the bar?  3 deaths?  4?  10?

Since when do two wrongs make a right? 

He should have been arrested and thrown in jail for murder.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Hypothetically speaking.

You're saying it's ok to shoot someone dead if they run over you're family, but then say it's not ok if it truly were an accident. At the moment it would be impossible to tell if it were an accident or not, so in your flawed system of vigilantism it would be ok to shot them regardless. 

toast_burner

You're saying that it's impossible to tell if someone is drunk?

I was unaware that this is the only way to tell.  

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] I would understand the resoning behind it, but honestly killing somone because they wronged you achieves nothing. It doesn't bring your loved one back and it doesn't make you feel any better knowing you took from someone something that no person has the right to take. Revenge is nothing more then a childish fantasy that humanity would do better to rid itself of the notion. MrGeezer

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Maybe on a second or third offense, but death from a one time mistake is much to harsh a penalty for me to support. 

Yusuke420

Oh.. so you get a few mulligans when it comes to running people over while drunk?  Fantastic.  Where should we set the bar?  3 deaths?  4?  10?

So he accidentally got drunk?  And then accidentally got behind the wheel? 

The role of the justice system is to get justice and deter others from doing stupid sh!t that endangers others.  

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

You're saying that it's impossible to tell if someone is drunk?

hartsickdiscipl

I was unaware that this is the only way to tell.  

Why not just put him on a train and send him a camp while you're at it?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I somehow doubt someone like you would believe someone if they said their car malfunctioned and that's why they ran over your loved one. I'll as again though: What about work place accidents were negligence causes the death of someone? Should their loved ones march up there and kill the supervisor?mattbbpl

Your shallow assessment of my character is neither accurate nor relevant.  I can't think of a workplace accident not involving willful intoxication that would equate to killing someone while driving drunk.  

Very sad story, wow..  No, not close to an equivalency though.  By riding in the back of the truck, those people each made the choice to do something that they knew was very dangerous.  I'm not saying that the company owner doesn't have some responsibilty, but it's nothing like a person who chooses to get plastered and then drive.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]I was unaware drunk drivers painted on the side of their cars "oye pisshead inside"

toast_burner

I was unaware that this is the only way to tell.  

Why not just put him on a train and send him a camp while you're at it?

Is anyone debating whether or not the driver was drunk?  

I disagree with that haphazard assement of the justice system. It's about as nuanced as an earthworm. They call prisons correctional facilties for a reason hart. 

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I was unaware that this is the only way to tell.  

hartsickdiscipl

Why not just put him on a train and send him a camp while you're at it?

Is anyone debating whether or not the driver was drunk?  

I disagree with that haphazard assement of the justice system. It's about as nuanced as an earthworm. They call prisons correctional facilties for a reason hart. 

Yusuke420

They should call them @ssrape centers.  That would be just as accurate.  I'm not sure how much "correction" goes on in there.  I don't think you know much about what really goes on in prisons if you have such a grand opinion of them.  

You also have a very narrow view of what it is to be intoxicated. There are various states of mind while consuming alcohol and one person plastered is another persons "buzz". Without a way to determine a person BAL before an incident like this takes place, there no way of knowing if that person knew they were above the legal limit. 

I'm not a demented individual and don't condone murder so I'm okay with him going to jail.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Are you suggesting stopping the vehicle, taking the driver out of his seat, test to see if he drunk, and if he is you then execute him right there on the spot?

Why not just put him on a train and send him a camp while you're at it?

toast_burner

Is anyone debating whether or not the driver was drunk?  

Define "fair."

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I disagree with that haphazard assement of the justice system. It's about as nuanced as an earthworm. They call prisons correctional facilties for a reason hart. 

hartsickdiscipl

They should call them @ssrape centers.  That would be just as accurate.  I'm not sure how much "correction" goes on in there.  I don't think you know much about what really goes on in prisons if you have such a grand opinion of them.  

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

hartsickdiscipl

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

This helps the argument against guns.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

airshocker

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

lol 2nd Amendment at work people.

 

disgusting. this man should not be punished.

http://kysdc.com/2920606/texas-father-kills-drunk-driver-moments-after-he-plows-into-his-two-sons-charged-with-murder-video/?omcamp=outbrain_paid

mingmao3046

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

Aljosa23

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.