TX father charged with murder after shooting drunk driver who killed his sons

This behavior should never be acceptable or condoned.. We have seen this kind of behavior time and time again actually hurt innocent people who were at first accused or had some kind of relation with the crime only to be found innocent later on..  I find it hilarious that the guy who is paranoid about being controlled and about the government becoming tyrannical (Hart) is defending this kind of behavior in which all individual rights are being waived to be executed..   Hart has to be suffering from some form of schizophrenia.. It just illustrates that Hart doesn't really give a fvck about personal rights or whether the government is tyrannical or not, just as long the said government is enforcing HIS morals and views.. 

Well yeah.. That's murder.

I'll wager that if the father had shot the guy for sexually molesting his sons---instead of merely killing them---a great many of the posters who are approving the murder charge would be defending the father and calling for the charge to be dropped.

:roll:

 

Stesilaus

Well, he should definitely go to jail with a murder charge. Not sure about temporary insanity, but that could happen. That said, I don't blame him for doing what he did.  I don't condone the action, but I can understand it. Had to watch his kids die, basically.

When you drive drunk, it's the same as arming yourself with a weapon, except the weapon in this case is a heavy, fast-moving vehicle. You kill someone with it, it's pre-meditated to a fair degree in that you made the choice to get in while impaired and wield yourself against others.

Ok I will admit I probably would do the same thing given the time period between the death of the children and the shooting of the driver. It was probably just moments after their death when he went for the gun. (Shortly after the accident, Barajas told relatives that he could not recall anything beyond rushing to the aid of his sons. "It was worse than any movie scene because it was real," Barajas' brother, Gabriel, said. "The next thing my brother remembered was waking up in a hospital naked" after his clothing, drenched in his sons' blood, had been removed.) Being a father myself I know the grief would be immeasurable and I would not be thinking clearly at all at that moment. I would have just reacted. My children killed right in front of me and you would expect me to be in my right mind and thinking clearly? Not possible for any parent that loves their children! And yes I did say killed, I do not consider it an accident at all, The man got drunk and decided to drive, being intoxicated is not an excuse for a very poor decision I consider it to be murder just as if he had the gun instead of the father! Alcohol and a bad decision to drive in this case is a weapon as well as the vehicle that slammed into them! I personally do not drink and am usually the dd but I have a lot of friends that do drink and if they do not have a dd they stay at home or where ever they are at the time. They do not get behind the wheel! A lot of people may blame the alcohol but consider that any thing may be used to excess, sweets, food, pain meds, aspirin,tanning, texting & even vitamins in excess can be bad for you. The person has a choice to be in control or keep control. This could have definitely been prevented! As for the father again I truly believe that in the face of seeing his sons die just moments b4 that he was out of his mind with grief and his reactions were automatic and driven by that grief. There is no way to rationalize it except for that grief. Would any parent do any different considering the time frame of just seeing their child die and getting the gun? Fyrstknight777

:o

The law applies to everyone, that is the only way it can work. It doesn't matter that he had what many people would see as a justifiable reason for murder. The fact is, he murded someone. He wanted to avenge his sons death, I can understand that, but he still has to live with the consequences of his actions. Besides, we tend to forget that the drunk driver was someones son/father too.

Of course he has to be charged. However, that does not stop the defense from bringing in severe emotional distress which may affect the juries opinion of culpability. But you cannot allow vigilante justice.LJS9502_basic

Which is why this should be a manslaughter charge and not a second degree murder charge. It will be very diffucult to get a 12 person jury to come to a consensus on a murder 2 charge but it would be much easier to convince a jury of voluntary manslaughter. This guy will probably get off because they are trying to overcharge him.

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

Goyoshi12

If the kids had been carrying guns with them this wouldn't have happened.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]If the kids had been carrying guns with them this wouldn't have happened.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

Lockedge

  I think what people are trying to say that it was manslaughter due to his criminal negligence..  Not that the guy drove out there with the intention of hitting and killing those two.. 

Seems like a manslaughter case.

I support the father for just murdering a human being.

It is just. As just as just can be.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

sSubZerOo

  I think what people are trying to say that it was manslaughter due to his criminal negligence..  Not that the guy drove out there with the intention of hitting and killing those two.. 

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Yes he should. Just because the drivers were drunk doesn't make them evil.lo_Pine

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]If the kids had been carrying guns with them this wouldn't have happened.dave123321

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]If the kids had been carrying guns with them this wouldn't have happened.dave123321

:lol:

Anyway, mingmao and hartsick are really wearing their idiocy proudly on their sleeve in this thread.

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

Goyoshi12

WTF are you talking about? It wasn't the drunk driver's fault that he intentionally decided to drive under unfluence therefore killing 2 kids? Then whose fault was it?

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

nunovlopes

WTF are you talking about? It wasn't the drunk driver's fault that he intentionally decided to drive under unfluence therefore killing 2 kids? Then whose fault was it?

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Yes he should. Just because the drivers were drunk doesn't make them evil.dave123321

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

As sad as it is, he does deserve to go to jail. I don't know that fatherly feeling he must have felt in him and lost when he lost his sons but either way he still commited a murder. The man was drunk and unintentionally hit the kids; it wasn't his fault.

Ace6301

WTF are you talking about? It wasn't the drunk driver's fault that he intentionally decided to drive under unfluence therefore killing 2 kids? Then whose fault was it?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

WTF are you talking about? It wasn't the drunk driver's fault that he intentionally decided to drive under unfluence therefore killing 2 kids? Then whose fault was it?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Lockedge"] But he intentionally drove drunk, knowing he was inebriated and his perception and reflexes were severely impaired, knowing that he was putting others in grave danger selfishly, so it was his fault. Ace6301

  I think what people are trying to say that it was manslaughter due to his criminal negligence..  Not that the guy drove out there with the intention of hitting and killing those two.. 

It's very likely they had at least their four ways on. I don't think I've ever seen anyone towing a car, pushing a car, etc. without at least the four ways on. Any driver that can't tell that blinking lights ahead = slow/stopped vehicle shouldn't be on the road.

People shouldn't drive while impaired, that means alcohol, drugs, phoning/texting, etc. it's like carrying a gun around town with the safety off. You might accidentally shoot and kill someone.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

  I think what people are trying to say that it was manslaughter due to his criminal negligence..  Not that the guy drove out there with the intention of hitting and killing those two.. 

Lockedge

It's very likely they had at least their four ways on. I don't think I've ever seen anyone towing a car, pushing a car, etc. without at least the four ways on. Any driver that can't tell that blinking lights ahead = slow/stopped vehicle shouldn't be on the road.

People shouldn't drive while impaired, that means alcohol, drugs, phoning/texting, etc. it's like carrying a gun around town with the safety off. You might accidentally shoot and kill someone.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

airshocker

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] He killed the man's sons.....NEWMAHAY

 

disgusting. this man should not be punished.

http://kysdc.com/2920606/texas-father-kills-drunk-driver-moments-after-he-plows-into-his-two-sons-charged-with-murder-video/?omcamp=outbrain_paid

mingmao3046

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

hartsickdiscipl

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="dave123321"] Then the the man murdered him. I feel for the guy, but he still committed murder. frannkzappa

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Do you know what percentage of drunk drivers who kill someone else are sentenced to death?

hartsickdiscipl

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

I significantly disagree with his actions as he should take the huger road.

That said, WTF Gamespot. Why are so many people defending the drivers actions as a petty crime.:|

The sick son of a ***** murdered his son because he was to cheap to pay for a cab or drink responsibly.

Roast in hell you sick *****. 

I significantly disagree with his actions as he should take the huger road.

That said, WTF Gamespot. Why are so many people defending the drivers actions as a petty crime.:|

The sick son of a ***** murdered his son because he was to cheap to pay for a cab or drink responsibly.

Roast in hell you sick *****. 

dercoo

Expected the drunk driver to be a woman, since MingMao. 

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

Abbeten

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

The father of the dead children.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

That's irrelevant. None of that changes the fact that what you propose is insanity. We are a society governed by laws. We have a justice system for this very purpose.

chessmaster1989

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

Says the guy with Clint Eastwood as his avatar.  

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

I significantly disagree with his actions as he should take the huger road.

That said, WTF Gamespot. Why are so many people defending the drivers actions as a petty crime.:|

The sick son of a ***** murdered his son because he was to cheap to pay for a cab or drink responsibly.

Roast in hell you sick *****. 

DroidPhysX

The kids didn't get due process.  

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

hartsickdiscipl

Says the guy with Clint Eastwood as his avatar.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] If the justice system is "not dispensing justice adequately," then the justice system needs to be reformed. You are a moron if you support vigilante justice.chessmaster1989

Says the guy with Clint Eastwood as his avatar.  

It was a joke.  

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

I significantly disagree with his actions as he should take the huger road.

That said, WTF Gamespot. Why are so many people defending the drivers actions as a petty crime.:|

The sick son of a ***** murdered his son because he was to cheap to pay for a cab or drink responsibly.

Roast in hell you sick *****. 

hartsickdiscipl

The kids didn't get due process.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] right to due process, broDroidPhysX

The kids didn't get due process.  

I've used that logic on pro-choice advocates when it comes to rape.  They continue to argue that 2 wrongs do indeed make a right.  

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I disagree.  If the justice system is not dispensing justice adequately, you can expect citizens to try to exact their own.  

hartsickdiscipl

The father of the dead children.  

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

The kids didn't get due process.  

hartsickdiscipl

I've used that logic on pro-choice advocates when it comes to rape.  They continue to argue that 2 wrongs do indeed make a right.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] who defines 'adequate' in this contextAbbeten

The father of the dead children.  

I'm not saying that it's "right."  I am saying that his actions do represent justice in it's simplest, most immediate form.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] two wrongs make a right. Outstanding logic.DroidPhysX

I've used that logic on pro-choice advocates when it comes to rape.  They continue to argue that 2 wrongs do indeed make a right.  

I'm not sure that it is.