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#1 stevoqwerty
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I don't get it, why UK have three different names? And sometimes there's different flags, this is so confusing.

BTW I'm not from England/UK/Great Britain.

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#2 bigblunt537
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I don't get it, why UK have three different names? And sometimes there's different flags, this is so confusing.

BTW I'm not from England/UK/Great Britain.

stevoqwerty

Well thank god you're not from there because it would be a shame if you were and didn't know.:P I honestly think the UK is a couple of countries. As for Great Britain and England I have no diea why there are 2 names and I have no idea what British/English people would prefer so UK people start answering please lol

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Geographically, Great Britain is the name for the island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. The United Kingdom, or officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is, as the name implies, the combination of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England is only the country. That should clear things up. Oh and btw, google would have been quite happy to answer this question for you.
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#4 taj7575
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United Kingdom really stands for "The United Kingdom of Great Britan and Northern Ireland". That is England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland combined.

Great Britan is the Island in which England, Scotland, and Wales is on. Oh, and England is just one part of the UK.

BTW, England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all different countries that are combined parts of the United Kingdom.

Hope that clears things up.

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#5 cheesyjon
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United Kingdom is the official country name.

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#6 Hexagon_777
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Geographically, Great Britain is the name for the island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. The United Kingdom, or officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is, as the name implies, the combination of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England is only the country. That should clear things up. Oh and btw, google would have been quite happy to answer this question for you.MindFreeze

You totally forgot Wales. :o

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#7 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"]Geographically, Great Britain is the name for the island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. The United Kingdom, or officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is, as the name implies, the combination of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England is only the country. That should clear things up. Oh and btw, google would have been quite happy to answer this question for you.Hexagon_777

You totally forgot Wales. :o

Pssh, Wales... Haha, just kidding, okay I did forget about them.
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#8 Bitter_Altmer
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United Kingdom is the official country name.

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No its not. TC, you should know this seriously.Lrn2Geography.
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#9 cheesyjon
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

United Kingdom is the official country name.

Bitter_Altmer

No its not.

What is, then? There's no England here.

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#10 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"][QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

United Kingdom is the official country name.

cheesyjon

No its not.

What is, then? There's no England here.

England is a country. It is part of the United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales).
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#11 cheesyjon
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"] No its not.MindFreeze

What is, then? There's no England here.

England is a country. It is part of the United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales).

I don't know what to call England. It's not a state and it is pretty much a country, but the United Kingdom is the real country, so I really have no idea what England is considered.

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#12 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

What is, then? There's no England here.

cheesyjon

England is a country. It is part of the United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales).

I don't know what to call England. It's not a state and it is pretty much a country, but the United Kingdom is the real country, so I really have no idea what England is considered.

I just told you... England is a country. The United Kingdom is quite simply a kingdom of several countries (again, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales). Each of these is considered an actual country, but politically, they are ruled by the same government and monarchy.
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"] England is a country. It is part of the United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales).MindFreeze

I don't know what to call England. It's not a state and it is pretty much a country, but the United Kingdom is the real country, so I really have no idea what England is considered.

I just told you... England is a country. The United Kingdom is quite simply a kingdom of several countries (again, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales). Each of these is considered an actual country, but politically, they are ruled by the same government and monarchy.

Yes, but United Kingdom is the country. I don't see how a country can be 4 countries. It is a good point, though.

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Wait..doesn't great brittain refer to the great brittish empire? Including all colonies and stuff? UK for the countries England, Scotland, northern Ireland and Wales, and england just the country england?
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#15 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="killerfist"]Wait..doesn't great brittain refer to the great brittish empire? Including all colonies and stuff? UK for the countries England, Scotland, northern Ireland and Wales, and england just the country england?

No, what you mean is the the Commonwealth. Btw, news flash, the British Empire doesn't exist anymore. :P Great Britain is the geographic island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. Politically, it also includes Wales. I know, a huge mess of confusion.
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[QUOTE="killerfist"]Wait..doesn't great brittain refer to the great brittish empire? Including all colonies and stuff? UK for the countries England, Scotland, northern Ireland and Wales, and england just the country england?MindFreeze
No, what you mean is the the Commonwealth. Btw, news flash, the British Empire doesn't exist anymore. :P Great Britain is the geographic island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. Politically, it also includes Wales. I know, a huge mess of confusion.

Ya, and Great Britain is what they use in the Olympics. The Olympics also includes Hong Kong, which isn't an exact country, though, so the Olympics does do some different than official stuff.

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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="killerfist"]Wait..doesn't great brittain refer to the great brittish empire? Including all colonies and stuff? UK for the countries England, Scotland, northern Ireland and Wales, and england just the country england?

No, what you mean is the the Commonwealth. Btw, news flash, the British Empire doesn't exist anymore. :P Great Britain is the geographic island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. Politically, it also includes Wales. I know, a huge mess of confusion.

Ah, whatever! confusing brits!:P I was half right tho:P
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#18 Doom_HellKnight
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England - A country in Great Britain and the United Kingdom.

Great Britain - England, Scotland, Wales.

United Kingdom - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

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#19 cheesyjon
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United Kingdom - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

Doom_HellKnight

Yes, but it is the official country.

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#20 Doom_HellKnight
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[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"]

United Kingdom - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

cheesyjon

Yes, but it is the official country.

I am aware of what is what, seeing as how I live there... ;) I'm simply clearing it up the differences for the TC.

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#21 Foxhound_AU
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The United Kingdom is Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England. (Today this does not include the Republic of Ireland). Note that this is defined as a Kingdom and not as a country.

England is the country. This does not include Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. The name originating from anglo-saxon heritage. You will not find Welshman or Scots ever refer to themselves as Englishman. (Though they may be defined as British).

Great Britain is the geographical landmass of England, Wales and Scotland (Ireland - Eire is a seperate island). This is named just as Europe is the continental landmass which is made up of several nations/countries. I believe this may be named based on the Briton people (I can't define clearly. but I think it goes back past the time of the Romans).

I'm from Australia, sheesh, Haven't any of you watched Braveheart or Michal Collins? :shock:

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#22 cheesyjon
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"]

United Kingdom - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

Doom_HellKnight

Yes, but it is the official country.

I am aware of what is what, seeing as how I live there... ;) I'm simply clearing it up the differences for the TC.

Ok. You must have an accent. And if you have an accent, do you think it's Americans that have the accents and you consider yourself not to have an accent?

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#23 Bitter_Altmer
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

What is, then? There's no England here.

I'm glad to be able to be present and give you a reading lesson.Because just beside that word we call "country" is a thing we call a "slash" (/) and beyond that "slash" is the word "territory" which the United Kingdom falls under.
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[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"][QUOTE="cheesyjon"]Yes, but it is the official country.cheesyjon
I am aware of what is what, seeing as how I live there... ;) I'm simply clearing it up the differences for the TC.

Ok. You must have an accent. And if you have an accent, do you think it's Americans that have the accents and you consider yourself not to have an accent?

Everybody on the planet speaks in different accents and dialects.

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#25 X360PS3AMD05
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What's this Wales? How come we never hear about it?
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#26 MagikarpSplash
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What's this Wales? How come we never hear about it? X360PS3AMD05
Wales is a small country in the United Kingdom. Famous for it's sheep. :P

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The United Kingdom is Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England. (Today this does not include the Republic of Ireland). Note that this is defined as a Kingdom and not as a country.

England is the country. This does not include Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. The name originating from anglo-saxon heritage. You will not find Welshman or Scots ever refer to themselves as Englishman. (Though they may be defined as British).

Great Britain is the geographical landmass of England, Wales and Scotland (Ireland - Eire is a seperate island). This is named just as Europe is the continental landmass which is made up of several nations/countries. I believe this may be named based on the Briton people (I can't define clearly. but I think it goes back past the time of the Romans).

I'm from Australia, sheesh, Haven't any of you watched Braveheart or Michal Collins? :shock:

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no offence but what does Braveheart have to do with this lol ? that was like 400 years before the act of union of 1707 ? .

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#28 T_P_O
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Well, the UK means the United Kingdom of Great Britain (and Northern Ireland), so you can use UK and Great Britain interchangeably. As for England, that's the dominant country in the Union (Westminster Parliament is sovereign), that said, it is only one part of the Union along with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Hope it's clear now TC.

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#29 LJS9502_basic
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Well, the UK means the United Kingdom of Great Britain (and Northern Ireland), so you can use UK and Great Britain interchangeably. As for England, that's the dominant country in the Union (Westminster Parliament is sovereign), that said, it is only one part of the Union along with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Hope it's clear now TC.

T_P_O
UK and Great Britain aren't interchangeable. UK includes Northern Ireland....Great Britain just the major island (England, Scotland, and Wales). And of course, England is one of the countries that make up the other two.
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"]Geographically, Great Britain is the name for the island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. The United Kingdom, or officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is, as the name implies, the combination of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England is only the country. That should clear things up. Oh and btw, google would have been quite happy to answer this question for you.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. I am pretty sure if you referred to any of the 3, I think most people would get it.
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#31 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Well, the UK means the United Kingdom of Great Britain (and Northern Ireland), so you can use UK and Great Britain interchangeably. As for England, that's the dominant country in the Union (Westminster Parliament is sovereign), that said, it is only one part of the Union along with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Hope it's clear now TC.

LJS9502_basic
UK and Great Britain aren't interchangeable. UK includes Northern Ireland....Great Britain just the major island (England, Scotland, and Wales). And of course, England is one of the countries that make up the other two.

The official name of the Union is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". If we just shorten it to the UK (short of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), we include "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" anyway. Coming from a native, we just use it interchangeably, so it's no big deal.
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"]Geographically, Great Britain is the name for the island on which the countries of England and Scotland are. The United Kingdom, or officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is, as the name implies, the combination of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England is only the country. That should clear things up. Oh and btw, google would have been quite happy to answer this question for you.Hexagon_777

You totally forgot Wales. :o

Its a sin :o
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#33 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Well, the UK means the United Kingdom of Great Britain (and Northern Ireland), so you can use UK and Great Britain interchangeably. As for England, that's the dominant country in the Union (Westminster Parliament is sovereign), that said, it is only one part of the Union along with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Hope it's clear now TC.

T_P_O
UK and Great Britain aren't interchangeable. UK includes Northern Ireland....Great Britain just the major island (England, Scotland, and Wales). And of course, England is one of the countries that make up the other two.

The official name of the Union is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". If we just shorten it to the UK (short of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), we include "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" anyway. Coming from a native, we just use it interchangeably, so it's no big deal.

I'm aware of the official name...but Great Britain is the island....and doesn't include No. Ireland...so while you may use something interchangeably...that doesn't mean it should be nor that it is, in fact, interchangeable.
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I don't know what to call England. It's not a state and it is pretty much a country, but the United Kingdom is the real country, so I really have no idea what England is considered.cheesyjon


England is considered a country because it IS a country. Don't claim things like "it is pretty much a country" and "the United Kingdom is the real country" when you obviously don't actually know what you're talking about...

The UK is also a country, and comprises the countries England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales.

So, in response to TC, they are not 3 different names for the same thing, they are 3 different names for different things.

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This thread is ****ing awful, even by OT standards. Christ.
Ok. You must have an accent. And if you have an accent, do you think it's Americans that have the accents and you consider yourself not to have an accent?cheesyjon
What the hell are you going on about.
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#36 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] UK and Great Britain aren't interchangeable. UK includes Northern Ireland....Great Britain just the major island (England, Scotland, and Wales). And of course, England is one of the countries that make up the other two.

The official name of the Union is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". If we just shorten it to the UK (short of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), we include "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" anyway. Coming from a native, we just use it interchangeably, so it's no big deal.

I'm aware of the official name...but Great Britain is the island....and doesn't include No. Ireland...so while you may use something interchangeably...that doesn't mean it should be nor that it is, in fact, interchangeable.

Alright, it's clear we're using the term "Great Britain" in different senses. I'm talking about the abbreviation "Great Britain" for the Union, you're talking about the Island name. "The term "Great Britain" (and the abbreviation 'GB') is the traditional 'short form' of the full country title 'the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" -Wikipedia. This was just a misunderstanding, as ever.
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#37 rowzzr
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thank you for clearing this up. this has always confused me lol.
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#38 jpph
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meh, who cares

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why does this thread always crop up every month?

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#40 Evil_Saluki
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Call it what you like, i'm there.

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Call it what you like, i'm there.

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Yeah, usually I say I'm English and I'm from England, not Britain. :x

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#42 cheesyjon
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This thread is ****ing awful, even by OT standards. Christ. [QUOTE="cheesyjon"]Ok. You must have an accent. And if you have an accent, do you think it's Americans that have the accents and you consider yourself not to have an accent?Darwin_Award
What the hell are you going on about.

I'm asking a question to the one guy.

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#43 cheesyjon
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

What is, then? There's no England here.

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I'm glad to be able to be present and give you a reading lesson.Because just beside that word we call "country" is a thing we call a "slash" (/) and beyond that "slash" is the word "territory" which the United Kingdom falls under.

That's true, but a country is a territory. Territories aren't always countries, but countries are always territories.

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#44 Crimsader
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I thought England is a part of the Great Britain/United Kingdom, which is actually England, Wales, Scotland and north Ireland in one.

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#45 Hexagon_777
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I thought England is a part of the Great Britain/United Kingdom, which is actually England, Wales, Scotland and north Ireland in one.

Crimsader

Only the United Kingdom fits that description. Great Britain is just like the United Kingdom but without Northern Ireland.

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#46 Bitter_Altmer
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[QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"][QUOTE="cheesyjon"]

What is, then? There's no England here.

I'm glad to be able to be present and give you a reading lesson.Because just beside that word we call "country" is a thing we call a "slash" (/) and beyond that "slash" is the word "territory" which the United Kingdom falls under.

That's true, but a country is a territory. Territories aren't always countries, but countries are always territories.

lulz Don't act stupid.
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#47 Darwin_Award
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I'm asking a question to the one guy.cheesyjon
No ****!
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#48 taj7575
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Wow..How did this thread go on so long? Didn't anyone read my OP? :?

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#49 Ensamheten
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I don't consider England to be a real country any more. When they formed the union I'm sure it was but now it's not. Scotland and Wales have some independence but I think most decisions are made in the Parliament of UK. Wales and England share the same laws. The UK have one currency and one central bank. They share seats in the EU parliament and the European Council. Therefore Wales is as much of a nation as Bavaria or Texas are. But then the British are known for how little sense their way of thinking does. For example 12 inches makes 1 foot. 3 feet are 1 yard, 220 makes one furlong, 80 furlongs makes 1 mile(have fun calculating volume scale!).

I don't think UK has won a single cross-country skiing competition or a ice hockey championship but from what I've heard they play a lot of football(sometimes they say that they even invented it). Let them believe that they are three separate countries which needs to have separate football teams splitting talents. As long as UK or Italy doesn't win the world cup I'm happy.

Besides England/UK isn't really a problem compared with USA. What are you supposed to call it's inhabitants? Americans? No since America consists of two continents and 35 countries. United states of Americans sound weird USAans is no good either and this has now been a problem for 300 years now.

What's this Wales? How come we never hear about it? X360PS3AMD05
LoL fail

Didn't anyone read my OP? :?

taj7575

Was the flag thing a serious question?

Yeah, that all depends on which country a person is refering too..I hate it when somebody refers to the entire country as just 'England' - Usually seen in American movies.


I'm Welsh. =D

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How many times haven't you said Holland when you're supposed to say the Neatherlands?

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#50 MushroomWig
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Yeah, that all depends on which country a person is refering too..I hate it when somebody refers to the entire country as just 'England' - Usually seen in American movies.


I'm Welsh. =D