U.S. blocks Security Council criticism of Israeli raid

Wow, I'm starting to think US blocking UN criticism of Israel is just a natural reflex.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15200395

Israel faced heavy criticism in an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council on Monday in response to its deadly attack on an aid flotilla trying to breach the Gaza blockade, but attempts to issue a formal statement stalled after the United States rejected the strong condemnation sought by Turkey.

Turkey proposed a statement that would condemn Israel for violating international law, demand a U.N. investigation and demand that Israel prosecute those responsible for the raid and pay compensation to the victims. It also called for the end of the blockade.

The Obama administration refused to endorse a statement that singled out Israel, and proposed a broader condemnation of the violence that would include the assault of the Israeli commandos as they landed on the deck of the ship.

While condemnation of Israel in the Security Council is not uncommon, the criticism at the emergency session by Turkey and Lebanon was notable for both its vehemence and for the broad array of countries demanding an independent investigation into the decision to fire on civilians in what they described as a humanitarian mission.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu of Turkey, whose country's once close relations with Israel have deteriorated markedly since Israel's invasion of Gaza in 2008, called the attack "tantamount to banditry and piracy; it is murder conducted by a state."

Considering the UN is ******* useless, go Obama admin.

Was the U.N. going to give Israel a spanking? Go to your room!

why blame other's if it was Israel alone that shot up the flotilla?

this relationship is going to be the end of us:|

Israel's influence in the US is still very strong.

Bah, all the U.N. would do is write an angry letter to Isreal, telling them how naughty they've been.

this relationship is going to be the end of us:|

mlbslugger86

That's very doubtful.

Bah, it was likley all the U.N. would do is write an angrey letter to Isreal, telling them how naughty they've been.

DarkLink77

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Bah, it was likley all the U.N. would do is write an angrey letter to Isreal, telling them how naughty they've been.

chris_yz80

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

this relationship is going to be the end of us:|

airshocker

That's very doubtful.

yeah well its sure as hell not helping us much either.

The US protecting Israel from criticism? Is anyone surprised about this? I'm not.

why blame other's if it was Israel alone that shot up the flotilla?

this relationship is going to be the end of us:|

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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

this relationship is going to be the end of us:|

mlbslugger86

That's very doubtful.

yeah well its sure as hell not helping us much either.

yeah well its sure as hell not helping us much either.

mlbslugger86

Uh huh, sure.

why blame other's if it was Israel alone that shot up the flotilla?

this relationship is going to be the end of us:|

mlbslugger86

Yeah, I do have to admit the relationship between the US and Israel is perhaps the most baffling thing about the US. The unshakable, almost rabid support of Israel is quite disturbing.

I understand friendship and ideological sympathies, but I get the impression the US and its people are willing to literally sacrifice their entire country for Israel, if situations demanded it. There has to more to the relationship, because it sure isnt friendship, its something deeper.:question:

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Bah, it was likley all the U.N. would do is write an angrey letter to Isreal, telling them how naughty they've been.

chris_yz80

"Hans Blix", although that's a good rendition of Kim's accent. :P

Our backing of Israel started with President Harry S. Truman (Democrat). He recognized Israel 11 minutes after it declared itself a nation.

Here is what Truman said:

Hitler had been murdering Jews right and left. I saw it, and I dream about it even to this day. The Jews needed some place where they could go. It is my attitude that the American government couldn't stand idly by while the victims [of] Hitler's madness are not allowed to build new lives.

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yeah well its sure as hell not helping us much either.

Uh huh, sure.

US is useless, UN is useless. None can do it right. optiow

The US has really nothing to gain supporting Israel at this time. All the US is doing is ****ing off the only Muslim country that likes them.lordreaven

What do you honestly think Turkey is going to do? Absolutely nothing. They'll rant and scream at the UN and then go back home. They like our air base way too much.

I'm not sure I understand the context of the word "blocks" here. What exactly was "blocked" from occurring?StopThePresses

I give this move two thumbs up. Screw the U.N.

But trumans motive was entirely political. he needed the votes for re election purposes. his entire cabinet was against it.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]I'm not sure I understand the context of the word "blocks" here. What exactly was "blocked" from occurring?lordreaven

And an investigation etc.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]The US has really nothing to gain supporting Israel at this time. All the US is doing is ****ing off the only Muslim country that likes them.airshocker

What do you honestly think Turkey is going to do? Absolutely nothing. They'll rant and scream at the UN and then go back home. They like our air base way too much.

If UN fails, then the future looks bleak. All the powerful countries will just eat the weaker ones and the powerful ones will clash against each other.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"]I'm not sure I understand the context of the word "blocks" here. What exactly was "blocked" from occurring?SgtKevali

And an investigation etc.

If UN fails, then the future looks bleak. All the powerful countries will just eat the weaker ones and the powerful ones will clash against each other.

one_plum

If UN fails, then the future looks bleak. All the powerful countries will just eat the weaker ones and the powerful ones will clash against each other.

one_plum

It would seem that the US's relationship with Israel is very similar to China's relationship with North Korea. Both relationships greatly harm the US and China's international relations with no benefit other than ideological ones.

I really wish the US would drop its support of Israel. We give them a disgusting amount of financial and military aid and all we get in return is a PR ****storm with the rest of the world and especially the Middle East in particular. Oh yeah, and how does Israel repay us? By turning around and selling some of the weapons and tech we give them to other nations like China (and some of said nations are outright hostile to us).

People are surprised? At first I thought Israel was the US attack dog but I was wrong, Israel is more like the US child who can do no wrong. However it's hilarious that they didn't even condemn the Israeli's for hurting one of their own citizens. DON'T LET SAUDI ARABIA OR IRAN DO IT THOUGH CAUSE YEA!!!!

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If UN fails, then the future looks bleak. All the powerful countries will just eat the weaker ones and the powerful ones will clash against each other.

lordreaven

But trumans motive was entirely political. he needed the votes for re election purposes. his entire cabinet was against it.

majwill24

Nevertheless, it was the right thing to do. He personally saw the carnage at the Nazi concentration camps. He experienced nightmares about it.

I can understand why Turkey is upset and demand an investigation, but Turkey has gone way overboard in their onslaught of accusations thrown at Israel.

It would seem that the US's relationship with Israel is very similar to China's relationship with North Korea. Both relationships greatly harm the US and China's international relations with no benefit other than ideological ones.

I really wish the US would drop its support of Israel. We give them a disgusting amount of financial and military aid and all we get in return is a PR ****storm with the rest of the world and especially the Middle East in particular. Oh yeah, and how does Israel repay us? By turning around and selling some of the weapons and tech we give them to other nations like China (and some of said nations are outright hostile to us).

gameguy6700

Israel is biting the hand that feeds them because they have now learned to gather food on their own. That's how I see it.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

If UN fails, then the future looks bleak. All the powerful countries will just eat the weaker ones and the powerful ones will clash against each other.

lordreaven

Point taken. The future already looks bleak... and it's like some people are even wishing for WW3.

It would seem that the US's relationship with Israel is very similar to China's relationship with North Korea. Both relationships greatly harm the US and China's international relations with no benefit other than ideological ones.

I really wish the US would drop its support of Israel. We give them a disgusting amount of financial and military aid and all we get in return is a PR ****storm with the rest of the world and especially the Middle East in particular. Oh yeah, and how does Israel repay us? By turning around and selling some of the weapons and tech we give them to other nations like China (and some of said nations are outright hostile to us).

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

It would seem that the US's relationship with Israel is very similar to China's relationship with North Korea. Both relationships greatly harm the US and China's international relations with no benefit other than ideological ones.

I really wish the US would drop its support of Israel. We give them a disgusting amount of financial and military aid and all we get in return is a PR ****storm with the rest of the world and especially the Middle East in particular. Oh yeah, and how does Israel repay us? By turning around and selling some of the weapons and tech we give them to other nations like China (and some of said nations are outright hostile to us).

Espada12

Israel is biting the hand that feeds them because they have now learned to gather food on their own. That's how I see it.

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

But trumans motive was entirely political. he needed the votes for re election purposes. his entire cabinet was against it.

topsemag55

Nevertheless, it was the right thing to do. He personally saw the carnage at the Nazi concentration camps. He experienced nightmares about it.

It wasn't the right thing to do well at least imo, unless Americans are willing to give native americans control 1/2 of the US or something because we all know the atrocities that Americans committed to them... imo they should have simply relocated the jewish communities to other parts of europe and the US.

If UN fails, then the future looks bleak. All the powerful countries will just eat the weaker ones and the powerful ones will clash against each other.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

It would seem that the US's relationship with Israel is very similar to China's relationship with North Korea. Both relationships greatly harm the US and China's international relations with no benefit other than ideological ones.

I really wish the US would drop its support of Israel. We give them a disgusting amount of financial and military aid and all we get in return is a PR ****storm with the rest of the world and especially the Middle East in particular. Oh yeah, and how does Israel repay us? By turning around and selling some of the weapons and tech we give them to other nations like China (and some of said nations are outright hostile to us).

carrot-cake

Israel is biting the hand that feeds them because they have now learned to gather food on their own. That's how I see it.

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Well they have been defying the US quite a bit

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7071927.ece

But yea you are probably right.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

It would seem that the US's relationship with Israel is very similar to China's relationship with North Korea. Both relationships greatly harm the US and China's international relations with no benefit other than ideological ones.

I really wish the US would drop its support of Israel. We give them a disgusting amount of financial and military aid and all we get in return is a PR ****storm with the rest of the world and especially the Middle East in particular. Oh yeah, and how does Israel repay us? By turning around and selling some of the weapons and tech we give them to other nations like China (and some of said nations are outright hostile to us).

carrot-cake

Israel is biting the hand that feeds them because they have now learned to gather food on their own. That's how I see it.

This entire Isreal debacle has completely destabalized a region all for what? The US needs to realize that not agreeing with Isreal does not mean you agree with Iran, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Isreal is just out of control because they are virtually untouchable because of the military they have and the backing of the US. The beauty of this is that Israel is commiting cultural genocide on the Palestinian population, but the sole reason for the state of Isreal existing is because people felt sorry for the Holocaust. Its horrible that it occurred and no society should suffer the horrors of the holocaust, but honestly was it really worth it? Since Israel's creation how many wars have occurred and how many generations have been taught to hate Israel and the Jewish population? Would the US do what Isreal just did?Who attacks a boat full of scholars and peaceful protesters with special forces?

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Israel is biting the hand that feeds them because they have now learned to gather food on their own. That's how I see it.

lordreaven

This entire Isreal debacle has completely destabalized a region all for what? The US needs to realize that not agreeing with Isreal does not mean you agree with Iran, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Isreal is just out of control because they are virtually untouchable because of the military they have and the backing of the US. The beauty of this is that Israel is commiting cultural genocide on the Palestinian population, but the sole reason for the state of Isreal existing is because people felt sorry for the Holocaust. Its horrible that it occurred and no society should suffer the horrors of the holocaust, but honestly was it really worth it? Since Israel's creation how many wars have occurred and how many generations have been taught to hate Israel and the Jewish population? Now Israel is seriously putting up more apartments which ban Palastinian residents from living there, and if forcing them to live in ghetto's under guard.

Fizzman

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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]
Nah, if anything they're just seeing how much they can get away with before the US puts its foot down, which I dont see happening anytime soon unless Israel does something REALLY bad.

carrot-cake