U.S. spending too much $$$ on War...Science will save us, not War.

As we all know, the U.S. has spent, and will be spending a lot of money on the War. But how will this help us? How will it help us in the upcoming decades, or in the next hundred years? There will be a time when factors such as overpopulation will cause devastation!

In 50 years, the Earth will have around 9 Billion people! (currently the World Population as of July 2007 has reached over 6.6 Billion)

There are way more better uses for the money.

United State's infant mortality rate is 6.37, and there are 41 countries that have a better rate than the #1 Country in the world, the U.S.!

We also know that the U.S. needs a better education system, with more money invested into it.

To go back to my first statement of human survival, most of that money getting spent on War and Arms, needs to be spent on Science. There needs to be way more money spent on Science.

Yes you have NASA and many other Science groups, but the matter of fact is that scientific research needs to be given more importance.

It is a fact and important to remember, that the most vital findings often come from somebody you'd never expected. These are usually smaller science projects, and most of the time they don't have the fundings to continue. Therefore there needs to be way more funding for young Science.

Science is going to help us survive, not killing eachother and going at war.

There was competition between the U.S. and the Soviet Union for the moon landing. Well, we can have competition again today, in researching! That will actually help the world, instead of fighting over who has the best airforce, or what-not.

Mostly everything we have today, electricity, and what-not. It all came from the most unexpected persons, and today there are many young scientists who have the potential and/or possibility of discovering something astonishing that will change/affect our lives, but of course...do not have the funds.

Let's advance, not stay behind. There can be hundreds of Stephen Hawkings, and possibly quite a few Einsteins, if just Science had way more funding. That's just my couple cents.

Here or there, someone will make a mistake, and it will affect us all. Such as Nuclear Weapons being used, and what-not, and when that day comes, the Earth will be covered and it will be dark...and we'll die (- Carl Sagan)

Here's an interesting video by Carl Sagan I found, where he expressed the importance of Scientific Research:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=i03FgnaS-RI

The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

there are plenty of other super poweres in the world who dont spend nearly as much on their militaries....

oh yeah and can people actually start writing their own stuff if their going to make threads trying to show them self as 'intellectuals' and 'philosophers'.

Control oil, control the world.rimnet00

They wouldn´t care about liberating anyone in Iraq if there would be no oil

oh yeah and can people actually start writing their own stuff if their going to make threads trying to show them self as 'intellectuals' and 'philosophers'.

muppet1010

[QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.shikovi4ik

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

And the U.S. also has the least literacy rate, the average people aren't as educated, as well as the HIGHEST infant mortality rate than any other 1st world country, and maybe 2nd world countries are also doing better in those regards.

Is all of that worth being a super power? They are already strong, how stronger do they need to get..strong enough to kill the world 5000 times over and over?

Why aren't there as many marvelous scientific discoveries as before? Of course, they are still there, but where's the quantity? Who invented the refrigerator, or electricity, or many other things? It was the most unexpected people.

We're actually going backwards. What is our purpose in the Middle-East? That "purpose" has changed every single year. First it was Weapons of Mass Destruction, then something else, and so on and so forth. That's a separate discussion, however, concerning our presence there.

The U.S. can remain a super-power without invading countries. There has been more civilians killed in those areas than actual so-called "terrorists".

War and conflict is actually a great motivator for scientific and technological advance

The rapid developments in World War II had major implications for the advancement of radar, communications, aircraft, transport, rockets, space flight, rubbers and plastics, electronics, etc

These advances filtered through to civilian life and consumer uses to benefit everyone

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

War and conflict is actually a great motivator for scientific and technological advance

The rapid developments in World War II had major implications for the advancement of radar, communications, aircraft, transport, rockets, space flight, rubbers and plastics, electronics, etc

These advances filtered through to civilian life and consumer uses to benefit everyone

vitriolboy

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[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.shikovi4ik

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

those are some good points you raise, but this war is necessary. the reason we're a superpower is because we have the worlds best military.

I would have to agree, more money needs to be invested in science and education. people say we are the smartest people in the world, but I read in a book its like 20% of teenagers dont know which country we declared independence from

there are plenty of other super poweres in the world who dont spend nearly as much on their militaries....

oh yeah and can people actually start writing their own stuff if their going to make threads trying to show them self as 'intellectuals' and 'philosophers'.

muppet1010

there are plenty of other super poweres in the world who dont spend nearly as much on their militaries....

oh yeah and can people actually start writing their own stuff if their going to make threads trying to show them self as 'intellectuals' and 'philosophers'.

muppet1010

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

[QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.ab1205

And the U.S. also has the least literacy rate, the average people aren't as educated, as well as the HIGHEST infant mortality rate than any other 1st world country, and maybe 2nd world countries are also doing better in those regards.

Is all of that worth being a super power? They are already strong, how stronger do they need to get..strong enough to kill the world 5000 times over and over?

Why aren't there as many marvelous scientific discoveries as before? Of course, they are still there, but where's the quantity? Who invented the refrigerator, or electricity, or many other things? It was the most unexpected people.

We're actually going backwards. What is our purpose in the Middle-East? That "purpose" has changed every single year. First it was Weapons of Mass Destruction, then something else, and so on and so forth. That's a separate discussion, however, concerning our presence there.

The U.S. can remain a super-power without invading countries. There has been more civilians killed in those areas than actual so-called "terrorists".

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.UrbanSpartan125

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

[QUOTE="muppet1010"]

there are plenty of other super poweres in the world who dont spend nearly as much on their militaries....

oh yeah and can people actually start writing their own stuff if their going to make threads trying to show them self as 'intellectuals' and 'philosophers'.

UrbanSpartan125

there is china which supposedly will become one by 2020, but none except the US at the moment.

How about the US military starts reasearching in better medical care for its troops chances are that the tech would eventually reach civillians and the military budget wouldn't have to change they'd also be able to keep more wounded alive

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.UrbanSpartan125

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

Oh yeah, you also captured Bin Laden AND got rid of Kim II in North Korea who actually HAD nukes, and it's not as if Iraq is on the verge of a civil war. Sorry mate, I forgot all about that.

Wait, didn't science create the atomic bomb...Oh Wait, I mean didn't a group of scientist make the atomic bomb...and we used that science for war...Kinda like a double-edged sword their...I dunnohaterex

yes but the atomic bomb was actually being created by the germans first, and was only being created beacause there was a war on not because of scientific reasearch by it self

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.mig_killer2

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

Oh yeah, you also captured Bin Laden AND got rid of Kim II in North Korea who actually HAD nukes, and it's not as if Iraq is on the verge of a civil war. Sorry mate, I forgot all about that.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="muppet1010"]

there are plenty of other super poweres in the world who dont spend nearly as much on their militaries....

oh yeah and can people actually start writing their own stuff if their going to make threads trying to show them self as 'intellectuals' and 'philosophers'.

markop2003

there is china which supposedly will become one by 2020, but none except the US at the moment.

How about the US military starts reasearching in better medical care for its troops chances are that the tech would eventually reach civillians and the military budget wouldn't have to change they'd also be able to keep more wounded alive

Hardly live up to it, we decimated the Iraqi Army in 2 weeks, that was the fastest military advancement in the history of war. Insurgency is another thing, and now there are significant signs of progress with the surge, even some tough left wing opposers of the war, say its a war we can win. Had this been any other country mainly in Iraq, the casualties would have been many times higher.UrbanSpartan125

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Hardly live up to it, we decimated the Iraqi Army in 2 weeks, that was the fastest military advancement in the history of war. Insurgency is another thing, and now there are significant signs of progress with the surge, even some tough left wing opposers of the war, say its a war we can win. Had this been any other country mainly in Iraq, the casualties would have been many times higher.rimnet00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

There is more information.

Most of the Guerrila Warfare didnt start until mid 2004.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="shikovi4ik"][QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.UrbanSpartan125

It's strong enough now, but not if you lower the military budget.

The EU's (European Union) military spending is 300 billion dollars, and the US's is 500 billion. The EU isn't militaristic but the US is, and that's why there's such a difference in the military budgets. Now, if the US were to lower their budget, they would jepordize their superpower status and things would only accelerate from there on.

Well, the Europeans have them too. The US can hardly live up to their self-proclaimed superpower status even though they have such a high military budget, how do you think they'll manage with a lowered budget when China and India comes along?

Oh yeah, you also captured Bin Laden AND got rid of Kim II in North Korea who actually HAD nukes, and it's not as if Iraq is on the verge of a civil war. Sorry mate, I forgot all about that.

The fact that you letOsama escape into Pakistan is completely unbelievable.....And Pakistan is in a political mess right now, don't expect them to do anything about it. Even though Kim II dismantled his nuclear program, it still doesn't change the fact that he's much crazier than Saddam...much much crazier. And he's the one you should do something about.

[QUOTE="haterex"]Wait, didn't science create the atomic bomb...Oh Wait, I mean didn't a group of scientist make the atomic bomb...and we used that science for war...Kinda like a double-edged sword their...I dunnomarkop2003

yes but the atomic bomb was actually being created by the germans first, and was only being created beacause there was a war on not because of scientific reasearch by it self

20% of taxes go to the military, I think we can shave a couple percent off that and still have a powerful military.SAURON221

The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

well said, but he's right, we need to study science

[QUOTE="SAURON221"]20% of taxes go to the military, I think we can shave a couple percent off that and still have a powerful military.UrbanSpartan125

"...In 2006, according to the national priorities project, current military spending accounted for 27 cents for every income tax dollar paid..."

The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

Backbone yes...but not the only bone

[QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.Armpitfarter

well said, but he's right, we need to study science

The United States has been a leader in scientific research and technological innovation since the late nineteenth century, attracting immigrants such as Albert Einstein. The bulk of research and development funding, 64 percent, comes from the private sector. The United States leads the world in scientific research papers and impact factor. In 1876, Alexander Graham Bell was awarded the first patent for the telephone. The laboratory of Thomas Edison developed the phonograph, the first long-lasting light bulb, and the first viable movie camera. During World War II, the United States developed nuclear weapons, ushering in the atomic age. The space race produced rapid advances in rocketry, material science, computers, and many other areas. The United States largely developed the Arpanet and its successor, the Internet. Americans enjoy high levels of access to technological consumer goods. Almost half of U.S. households have broadband Internet service. The country is the primary developer and grower of genetically modified food; more than half of the world's land planted with biotech crops is in the United States The United States has had a powerful automotive industry for more than a century; the companies of Ransom Olds and Henry Ford pioneered assembly line manufacturing. The intercity passenger rail system is relatively weak. Only 9 percent of total U.S. work trips employ mass transit, compared to 38.8 percent in Europe.

Well as you can tell its from wikipedia, but nonetheless it shows how the US has always lead in technology when competition arises.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.UrbanSpartan125

well said, but he's right, we need to study science

The United States has been a leader in scientific research and technological innovation since the late nineteenth century, attracting immigrants such as Albert Einstein. The bulk of research and development funding, 64 percent, comes from the private sector. The United States leads the world in scientific research papers and impact factor. In 1876, Alexander Graham Bell was awarded the first patent for the telephone. The laboratory of Thomas Edison developed the phonograph, the first long-lasting light bulb, and the first viable movie camera. During World War II, the United States developed nuclear weapons, ushering in the atomic age. The space race produced rapid advances in rocketry, material science, computers, and many other areas. The United States largely developed the Arpanet and its successor, the Internet. Americans enjoy high levels of access to technological consumer goods. Almost half of U.S. households have broadband Internet service. The country is the primary developer and grower of genetically modified food; more than half of the world's land planted with biotech crops is in the United States The United States has had a powerful automotive industry for more than a century; the companies of Ransom Olds and Henry Ford pioneered assembly line manufacturing. The intercity passenger rail system is relatively weak. Only 9 percent of total U.S. work trips employ mass transit, compared to 38.8 percent in Europe.

Well as you can tell its from wikipedia, but nonetheless it shows how the US has always lead in technology when competition arises.

Well, that's not suprising at all...and what has that got to do with this thread? TC's point was that the US is spending too much money on war instead of science, not that they weren't the #1 in that particular area.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="Armpitfarter"]

[QUOTE="jointed"]The US is a super power....The military is the backbone of any super power/major power.jointed

well said, but he's right, we need to study science

The United States has been a leader in scientific research and technological innovation since the late nineteenth century, attracting immigrants such as Albert Einstein. The bulk of research and development funding, 64 percent, comes from the private sector. The United States leads the world in scientific research papers and impact factor. In 1876, Alexander Graham Bell was awarded the first patent for the telephone. The laboratory of Thomas Edison developed the phonograph, the first long-lasting light bulb, and the first viable movie camera. During World War II, the United States developed nuclear weapons, ushering in the atomic age. The space race produced rapid advances in rocketry, material science, computers, and many other areas. The United States largely developed the Arpanet and its successor, the Internet. Americans enjoy high levels of access to technological consumer goods. Almost half of U.S. households have broadband Internet service. The country is the primary developer and grower of genetically modified food; more than half of the world's land planted with biotech crops is in the United States The United States has had a powerful automotive industry for more than a century; the companies of Ransom Olds and Henry Ford pioneered assembly line manufacturing. The intercity passenger rail system is relatively weak. Only 9 percent of total U.S. work trips employ mass transit, compared to 38.8 percent in Europe.

Well as you can tell its from wikipedia, but nonetheless it shows how the US has always lead in technology when competition arises.

Well, that's not suprising at all...and what has that got to do with this thread? TC's point was that the US is spending too much money on war instead of science, not that they weren't the #1 in that particular area.

[QUOTE="SAURON221"]20% of taxes go to the military, I think we can shave a couple percent off that and still have a powerful military.UrbanSpartan125

How can you say the war hasn't brought us anything? What about safety? Up until the invasion of the Middle East terrorist attacks were a daily thing. Now that the terrorists have been killed there isn't anything to worry about, our society is finally free of terror.UssjTrunks

How can you say the war hasn't brought us anything? What about safety? Up until the invasion of the Middle East terrorist attacks were a daily thing. Now that the terrorists have been killed there isn't anything to worry about, our society is finally free of terror.UssjTrunks

How many terrorist attacks do you exactly remember?

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]20% of taxes go to the military, I think we can shave a couple percent off that and still have a powerful military.mig_killer2

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]How can you say the war hasn't brought us anything? What about safety? Up until the invasion of the Middle East terrorist attacks were a daily thing. Now that the terrorists have been killed there isn't anything to worry about, our society is finally free of terror.mig_killer2

I don't joke on serious topics like these. Or do I? :o

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]How can you say the war hasn't brought us anything? What about safety? Up until the invasion of the Middle East terrorist attacks were a daily thing. Now that the terrorists have been killed there isn't anything to worry about, our society is finally free of terror.UssjTrunks

I don't joke on serious topics like these. Or do I? :o