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I might as well tell you it's nine minutes long.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rHrV2QhArA
I might as well tell you it's nine minutes long.
I just wanted to share this video; I thought it was interesting.
Yeah, why does the "Girlfriend" music video have the most views? It doesn't make sense.Kind of sad the moon landing and this have less views than Girlfriend....
Mythbuster4ever
Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
DarkGamer007
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Cathan
Not really. The supposed fight that was to ensue would never happen because Japan had already lost before the atomic bombs were dropped (yes, there were two). The leaders just wouldn't accept that it was over, when they had no supplies and no food.
The bombs were not necessary at all and if we would have had better intelligence they might not have been.
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Cathan
The creation of nuclear technology is also what saved europe from the Soviets. If it werent from the nukes, the Soviets would have easily conquered Western Europe
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Cathan
Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]
Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
gamerguru100
If anyone actually were to die, it would be Japanese women with spears trying to hold off American soldiers with guns.
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Cathan
US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
To show the power in which humanity has created! All hail the USA and Russia who have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 18+ times over! :PReason for posting this I wonder?
LJS9502_basic
He means millions, not billions. It was definitely the right, yet hard to make, choice. I can guarantee you if that decision wasn't made, and the Allies invaded -- millions would have died and we'd have a North and South Japan right now.US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
Blubadox
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice. "billions" is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a hundred thousand more than the nuke killed over a matter of months. I know the Japanese said they would fight to the last woman and child but I really doubt they ever would have done that. Yes it saved lives but IMO the Nagasaki bomb was a really terrible choice. It pretty much only killed civilains. Maybe we should go with what Red Alert 3 tells us and that by having nukes we actually saved ourselves a huge amount of trouble in the long run with both the soviets and the Japanese :PThose poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Cathan
I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]
[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.hakanakumono
If anyone actually were to die, it would be Japanese women with spears trying to hold off American soldiers with guns.
Wait, what?[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]
Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Yeah, but it's still sad that all those innocent people had to die.[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Yeah, but it's still sad that all those innocent people had to die.I agree.[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan
[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice. "billions" is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a hundred thousand more than the nuke killed over a matter of months. I know the Japanese said they would fight to the last woman and child but I really doubt they ever would have done that. Yes it saved lives but IMO the Nagasaki bomb was a really terrible choice. It pretty much only killed civilains.Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Ace6301
Maybe we should go with what Red Alert 3 tells us and that by having nukes we actually saved ourselves a huge amount of trouble in the long run with both the soviets and the Japanese :P
What's terrible is that it wasn't an instant death like everyone seems to believe.. Many people were left alive in the atomic bombing, but their lives would be torture due to the complications from radiation sickness that would eventually kill them.
[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]
Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.
Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?He means millions, not billions. It was definitely the right, yet hard to make, choice. I can guarantee you if that decision wasn't made, and the Allies invaded -- millions would have died and we'd have a North and South Japan right now.[QUOTE="Blubadox"]
US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
Stevo_the_gamer
You shouldn't hypothesize the outcome of the war inorder to drop a nuclear bomb. It's a very stupid thing to do....or is it a lame excuse?
[QUOTE="Blubadox"][QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan
US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.
"billions" is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a hundred thousand more than the nuke killed over a matter of months. I know the Japanese said they would fight to the last woman and child but I really doubt they ever would have done that. Yes it saved lives but IMO the Nagasaki bomb was a really terrible choice. It pretty much only killed civilains.Ace6301
They would have done such -- if the emperor or Japanese comanded them to do it, they would not hesitate to sacrafice themselves for their homeland. They would have been on the beaches with whatever weapons they could muster up. The Allies would have invaded, and the Americans would have stayed and so would have the Soviets. One of the main reasons why they wanted to end it quickly was so Stalin and his army wouldn't invade Japan. If he did... goodness, we would have had a North and South Japan.
[QUOTE="Blubadox"][QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan
US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities? Why would the rest of the world die...Japan was pretty much done at that point anyway. The Americans were at the main Islands and the Russians and the rest of the world was coming to help mop up. Yes I am aware that the Americans didn't want to give the Russians any more land as well. Remember I just feel that Nagasaki was overkill and that I wish there was some other way that they could have ended it with "similar results" (not the deaths or anything but the way Japan and the world is now)[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"]I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
gamerguru100
If anyone actually were to die, it would be Japanese women with spears trying to hold off American soldiers with guns.
Wait, what?Japan was teaching its women to use spears to fight off invaders in the case that they invaded Japan's mainland because Japan was out of resources for war. In the latter years of the war they were even asking their people to extract pine oil to fuel their war effort (because they were out of oil). Japan was in their last stages of desperation and the war could have likely been ended without the use of atomic weaponry.
You shouldn't hypothesize the outcome of the war inorder to drop a nuclear bomb. It's a very stupid thing to do....or is it a lame excuse?BlubadoxConsidering the projections on what would have happen -- and considering I wouldn't even hesitate to doubt their accuracy, I don't find it "stupid" at all. I mean, if the Allies invaded do you really think the Russians would "kindly" leave? Do you really think the "Japanese" would kindly lay down their weapons?
[QUOTE="Blubadox"][QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan
US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.
So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?The rest of the world wouldn't have died; Japan didn't even have the resources to save themselves nor did they have a thirst for world conquest like Germany.
[QUOTE="Blubadox"]You shouldn't hypothesize the outcome of the war inorder to drop a nuclear bomb. It's a very stupid thing to do....or is it a lame excuse?Stevo_the_gamerConsidering the projections on what would have happen -- and considering I wouldn't even hesitate to doubt their accuracy,
They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.
There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.BlubadoxThe only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
As a side note... You gotta love all the people stating that we should bomb North Korea with nukes, which today are about 100 times more powerful than the nuke that was dropped on the two cities here, because they feel that it is basically their right to see the country and everyone in it destroyed,.BumFluff122They also ignore the fact that NK has other countries around it that the Nuke could effect with it's longer term...effects.
[QUOTE="Blubadox"]There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.CathanThe only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make. You kinda said to save the rest of the world. Im curious as to what you meant.
They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.They had experience on what the Japanese were capable of, they *knew their culture*. They *knew* the Soviets and they *knew* what Stalin's intentions were. Why didn't you address the rest of my post?Blubadox
[QUOTE="Blubadox"]There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.CathanThe only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
Japan couldn't have continued fighting. It would have ended anyways.
They had experience on what the Japanese were capable of, they *knew their culture*. They *knew* the Soviets and they *knew* what Stalin's intentions were. Why didn't you address the rest of my post? They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended.[QUOTE="Blubadox"]They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.
Stevo_the_gamer
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] They also ignore the fact that NK has other countries around it that the Nuke could effect with it's longer term...effects. [QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.Ace6301The only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make. You kinda said to save the rest of the world. Im curious as to what you meant. Yes, that too.
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]They had experience on what the Japanese were capable of, they *knew their culture*. They *knew* the Soviets and they *knew* what Stalin's intentions were. Why didn't you address the rest of my post? They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended.[QUOTE="Blubadox"]They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.
Ace6301
Tarot readers will do a better job predicting what would or would not have happened...but anyways when you look at nuclear technology you cannot say necessity is the mother of invention, it's the stupidity.
They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended. Ace6301True, but that also during a time of stupidity and incompetence. ;) Which regions were those?
[QUOTE="Ace6301"]They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended. Stevo_the_gamerTrue, but that also during a time of stupidity and incompetence. ;) Which regions were those? Parts of Greece.
many people fail to realize that the atom bombs were not the only reason for the japanese surrender. The soviets also invaded Manchuria a week before, But for some reason we are not tought this in america. In that invasion, 100,000 japanese soldiers died, and Russia came close to taking over korea. It was the shock of the soviet invasion that forced the surrender, not the bomings. in either case, at least russia never invaded Hokaido, which was possibly the only good to come of the bombings. After seeing what the red army did to the germans, i shudder to think what could have happened if they invaded japan itself.
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