Video on the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in World War 2

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#1 gamerguru100
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rHrV2QhArA

I might as well tell you it's nine minutes long.

I just wanted to share this video; I thought it was interesting.

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It is a turning point in history after all.

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I'm in a good mood at the moment, so I'll pass, thanks.

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Kind of sad the moon landing and this have less views than Girlfriend....

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Kind of sad the moon landing and this have less views than Girlfriend....

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Yeah, why does the "Girlfriend" music video have the most views? It doesn't make sense.

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Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

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Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

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Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Cathan

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

Not really. The supposed fight that was to ensue would never happen because Japan had already lost before the atomic bombs were dropped (yes, there were two). The leaders just wouldn't accept that it was over, when they had no supplies and no food.

The bombs were not necessary at all and if we would have had better intelligence they might not have been.

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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Cathan

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

The creation of nuclear technology is also what saved europe from the Soviets. If it werent from the nukes, the Soviets would have easily conquered Western Europe

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I don't have 9 minutes to spare right now, but I'm sure its good.
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Cathan

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

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I've seen that video before on the history or military channel. Can't remember which, it sure was interesting. Sad that it had to happen though.
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[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

gamerguru100

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

If anyone actually were to die, it would be Japanese women with spears trying to hold off American soldiers with guns.

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Reason for posting this I wonder?

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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Cathan

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

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Reason for posting this I wonder?

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To show the power in which humanity has created! All hail the USA and Russia who have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 18+ times over! :P
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US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

Blubadox

He means millions, not billions. It was definitely the right, yet hard to make, choice. I can guarantee you if that decision wasn't made, and the Allies invaded -- millions would have died and we'd have a North and South Japan right now.

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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Cathan
Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

"billions" is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a hundred thousand more than the nuke killed over a matter of months. I know the Japanese said they would fight to the last woman and child but I really doubt they ever would have done that. Yes it saved lives but IMO the Nagasaki bomb was a really terrible choice. It pretty much only killed civilains.

Maybe we should go with what Red Alert 3 tells us and that by having nukes we actually saved ourselves a huge amount of trouble in the long run with both the soviets and the Japanese :P
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If you don't want to watch the video becaus eit is too long I would suggest only watching the part from 8 minutes until the end.
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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.hakanakumono

I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

If anyone actually were to die, it would be Japanese women with spears trying to hold off American soldiers with guns.

Wait, what?
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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

Yeah, but it's still sad that all those innocent people had to die.
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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan

I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

Yeah, but it's still sad that all those innocent people had to die.

I agree.
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[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Ace6301

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

"billions" is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a hundred thousand more than the nuke killed over a matter of months. I know the Japanese said they would fight to the last woman and child but I really doubt they ever would have done that. Yes it saved lives but IMO the Nagasaki bomb was a really terrible choice. It pretty much only killed civilains.

Maybe we should go with what Red Alert 3 tells us and that by having nukes we actually saved ourselves a huge amount of trouble in the long run with both the soviets and the Japanese :P

What's terrible is that it wasn't an instant death like everyone seems to believe.. Many people were left alive in the atomic bombing, but their lives would be torture due to the complications from radiation sickness that would eventually kill them.

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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Those poor people, I know that it helped us put a stop to the War, but it is a shame that so many lives had to be destroyed, so many people had to suffer, and because our lack of understanding of the atomic bomb and what it could do, people who even were born years after the Was suffered from Lukemia and other medical complications.

Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.

US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?
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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

Stevo_the_gamer

He means millions, not billions. It was definitely the right, yet hard to make, choice. I can guarantee you if that decision wasn't made, and the Allies invaded -- millions would have died and we'd have a North and South Japan right now.

You shouldn't hypothesize the outcome of the war inorder to drop a nuclear bomb. It's a very stupid thing to do....or is it a lame excuse?

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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan

US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?

There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.

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"billions" is a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a hundred thousand more than the nuke killed over a matter of months. I know the Japanese said they would fight to the last woman and child but I really doubt they ever would have done that. Yes it saved lives but IMO the Nagasaki bomb was a really terrible choice. It pretty much only killed civilains.Ace6301

They would have done such -- if the emperor or Japanese comanded them to do it, they would not hesitate to sacrafice themselves for their homeland. They would have been on the beaches with whatever weapons they could muster up. The Allies would have invaded, and the Americans would have stayed and so would have the Soviets. One of the main reasons why they wanted to end it quickly was so Stalin and his army wouldn't invade Japan. If he did... goodness, we would have had a North and South Japan.

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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan

US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?

Why would the rest of the world die...Japan was pretty much done at that point anyway. The Americans were at the main Islands and the Russians and the rest of the world was coming to help mop up. Yes I am aware that the Americans didn't want to give the Russians any more land as well. Remember I just feel that Nagasaki was overkill and that I wish there was some other way that they could have ended it with "similar results" (not the deaths or anything but the way Japan and the world is now)
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]I agree. The atomic bombings ended the war. If the war had continued, many more would have died on the battlefield than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

gamerguru100

If anyone actually were to die, it would be Japanese women with spears trying to hold off American soldiers with guns.

Wait, what?

Japan was teaching its women to use spears to fight off invaders in the case that they invaded Japan's mainland because Japan was out of resources for war. In the latter years of the war they were even asking their people to extract pine oil to fuel their war effort (because they were out of oil). Japan was in their last stages of desperation and the war could have likely been ended without the use of atomic weaponry.

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You shouldn't hypothesize the outcome of the war inorder to drop a nuclear bomb. It's a very stupid thing to do....or is it a lame excuse?Blubadox
Considering the projections on what would have happen -- and considering I wouldn't even hesitate to doubt their accuracy, I don't find it "stupid" at all. I mean, if the Allies invaded do you really think the Russians would "kindly" leave? Do you really think the "Japanese" would kindly lay down their weapons?
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As a side note... You gotta love all the people stating that we should bomb North Korea with nukes, which today are about 100 times more powerful than the nuke that was dropped on the two cities here, because they feel that it is basically their right to see the country and everyone in it destroyed,.
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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]

[QUOTE="Cathan"] Yes, but the atomic bombs ended the War and saved the lives of billions of other people. That's the price that must be paid when tyrants want to take over the world, and the U.S. made the right choice.Cathan

US didn't make the right choice, it only forced other countries to develop nukes. And what do you mean billions of other people? Weren't these people special? How many potential scientists or peace lovers must have died? It's never a right choice dude...you are ok with it as long as your family and friends are safe, it's a very selfish thing. You best hope nothing falls on your head.

So I guess you would have rather had the rest of the world die to save those two cities?

The rest of the world wouldn't have died; Japan didn't even have the resources to save themselves nor did they have a thirst for world conquest like Germany.

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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]You shouldn't hypothesize the outcome of the war inorder to drop a nuclear bomb. It's a very stupid thing to do....or is it a lame excuse?Stevo_the_gamer
Considering the projections on what would have happen -- and considering I wouldn't even hesitate to doubt their accuracy,

They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.

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There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.Blubadox
The only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
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As a side note... You gotta love all the people stating that we should bomb North Korea with nukes, which today are about 100 times more powerful than the nuke that was dropped on the two cities here, because they feel that it is basically their right to see the country and everyone in it destroyed,.BumFluff122
They also ignore the fact that NK has other countries around it that the Nuke could effect with it's longer term...effects.
[QUOTE="Blubadox"]There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.Cathan
The only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

You kinda said to save the rest of the world. Im curious as to what you meant.
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Some person made a chuck norris joke on the comments,I chuckled:( Also at 4:40 looks like a middle finger
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They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.

Blubadox

They had experience on what the Japanese were capable of, they *knew their culture*. They *knew* the Soviets and they *knew* what Stalin's intentions were. Why didn't you address the rest of my post?

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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.Cathan
The only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Japan couldn't have continued fighting. It would have ended anyways.

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[QUOTE="Blubadox"]They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.

Stevo_the_gamer

They had experience on what the Japanese were capable of, they *knew their culture*. They *knew* the Soviets and they *knew* what Stalin's intentions were. Why didn't you address the rest of my post?

They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended.
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#40 Cathan
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] They also ignore the fact that NK has other countries around it that the Nuke could effect with it's longer term...effects. [QUOTE="Cathan"][QUOTE="Blubadox"]There are better ways to save the world than dropping a nuke, Jesus won't kiss you in heaven for doing that.Ace6301
The only other way to end the war would've been to continue fighting, and a lot more people would've died. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

You kinda said to save the rest of the world. Im curious as to what you meant.

Yes, that too.
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#41 Blubadox
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]They are not even capable of predicting tomorrows weather ..you don't even know if you'll be the next hurricane or tsunami target and you are talking about world wars? Give me a break.

Ace6301

They had experience on what the Japanese were capable of, they *knew their culture*. They *knew* the Soviets and they *knew* what Stalin's intentions were. Why didn't you address the rest of my post?

They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended.

Tarot readers will do a better job predicting what would or would not have happened...but anyways when you look at nuclear technology you cannot say necessity is the mother of invention, it's the stupidity.

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#42 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended. Ace6301
True, but that also during a time of stupidity and incompetence. ;) Which regions were those?
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#43 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]They also *knew* that the Russians would nuke america in the 50's. Predictions of other countries motives are often clouded in aggression and mistrust. The soviets actually did leave certain parts of Europe that the west had "called" after the war ended. Stevo_the_gamer
True, but that also during a time of stupidity and incompetence. ;) Which regions were those?

Parts of Greece.
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#44 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Parts of Greece.Ace6301
I haven't heard of any Soviet troops being in Greece -- only British forces.

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#45 Tokugawa77
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many people fail to realize that the atom bombs were not the only reason for the japanese surrender. The soviets also invaded Manchuria a week before, But for some reason we are not tought this in america. In that invasion, 100,000 japanese soldiers died, and Russia came close to taking over korea. It was the shock of the soviet invasion that forced the surrender, not the bomings. in either case, at least russia never invaded Hokaido, which was possibly the only good to come of the bombings. After seeing what the red army did to the germans, i shudder to think what could have happened if they invaded japan itself.

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#46 Jfisch93
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To think that nukes today make than look like a firecracker.