Vietnam War, all Wars. I'm Ready, When's Next World War?

So, we all know how that went out.

It was North Vietnam, Vietcong, China, Soviet Union, and North Korea against South Vietnam, South Korea, U.S. + allies

Unfortunately, U.S. + allies lost, and South Vietnam reunified with Communist North Vietnam. I just watched the movie

"We Were Soldiers" and damn it's pretty intense. Honestly, we're so bias, and think One American live is worth 1000 foreign lives (still going on today, cough Israel) and there were many casualties.

Anyways, how did this even start? Who cares whose Communist or not, why have a war on it? Why don't the frikin Politicians just fight it out instead of having many people die because of their stubborness? Damn...is Communism really that bad? I mean I don't see it being bad enough to have a war over it...better than having millions of people die.

I live in Canada, but I kind of though USA thinks they can do whatever they want, trying to govern the world. We tried going in there and couldn't do anything, we tried going into Somalia with President Clinton and couldn't do anything. Now we're going into the Middle-East, and again, will not be able to do anything. So really, what's the point?

I mean, the whole world doesn't need to be like the U.S. Yes, there's places like Africa which really need help, but the truth is we can't do anything. I mean.. we could have pulled an Israel in Vietnam War,etc and just bombed the whole damn place, but then again..how would it feel like that happening to us?

The so-called strongest military Country in the world can't do anything to even 3rd world countries...our gov't is so screwed up lol.

The soldiers of North Vietnam were only fighting for their country pretty much, they were just doing what their leaders were telling them to. They were supposed to kill us, and we were supposed to return the favor. That's what the Taliban,etc are doing also, we kill them, they kill us. We can always leave them alone...

And after we've probably killed millions and millions of civilians, we start freaking out when a thousand died on September 11th. I doubt the gov't even cares about the losses of their own people, they just keep sending in men. Every problem has a root cause and I honestly think the U.S. is the reason for a lot of the violence in the world.

1. U.S. appoints its Puppet Dictator and Violent Shah in Iran.
2. Iran people overthrow the Shah. Iran Revolution (most of Iran is Shia, and Iraq has more Shia than Sunnis)
3. Saddham gets scared and attacks Iran.
4. U.S. supports Saddham.
5. We kill Saddham.
6. Iran hates our guts. And of course you get more terrorists in Iraq that also hate us

Oh, and don't forget Russia harassing Afghanistan while U.S. President Jimmy Carter backed up the "Terrorists" in Afghanistan to fight Russia. Then the U.S. didn't even care to help rebuild Afghanistan. Now when I think of it...in the midst of the Cold War, all of these nations got into struggles just because of U.S. and Russia. That's so screwed up.

Anyways, when do you guys think the next World-Scale War will be and who will take part?!

In your opinion, who are the Top 10 Military (overall) Leaders (countries) in the world?

So, we all know how that went out.

It was North Vietnam, Vietcong, China, Soviet Union, and North Korea against South Vietnam, South Korea, U.S. + allies

Unfortunately, U.S. + allies lost, and South Vietnam reunified with Communist North Vietnam. I just watched the movie

"We Were Soldiers" and damn it's pretty intense. Honestly, we're so bias, and think One American live is worth 1000 foreign lives (still going on today, cough Israel) and there were many casualties.

Anyways, how did this even start? Who cares whose Communist or not, why have a war on it? Why don't the frikin Politicians just fight it out instead of having many people die because of their stubborness? Damn...is Communism really that bad? I mean I don't see it being bad enough to have a war over it...better than having millions of people die.

I live in Canada, but I kind of though USA thinks they can do whatever they want, trying to govern the world. We tried going in there and couldn't do anything, we tried going into Somalia with President Clinton and couldn't do anything. Now we're going into the Middle-East, and again, will not be able to do anything. So really, what's the point?

I mean, the whole world doesn't need to be like the U.S. Yes, there's places like Africa which really need help, but the truth is we can't do anything. I mean.. we could have pulled an Israel in Vietnam War,etc and just bombed the whole damn place, but then again..how would it feel like that happening to us?

The so-called strongest military Country in the world can't do anything to even 3rd world countries...our gov't is so screwed up lol.

The soldiers of North Vietnam were only fighting for their country pretty much, they were just doing what their leaders were telling them to. They were supposed to kill us, and we were supposed to return the favor. That's what the Taliban,etc are doing also, we kill them, they kill us. We can always leave them alone...

And after we've probably killed millions and millions of civilians, we start freaking out when a thousand died on September 11th. I doubt the gov't even cares about the losses of their own people, they just keep sending in men. Every problem has a root cause and I honestly think the U.S. is the reason for a lot of the violence in the world.

1. U.S. appoints its Puppet Dictator and Violent Shah in Iran.
2. Iran people overthrow the Shah. Iran Revolution (most of Iran is Shia, and Iraq has more Shia than Sunnis)
3. Saddham gets scared and attacks Iran.
4. U.S. supports Saddham.
5. We kill Saddham.
6. Iran hates our guts. And of course you get more terrorists in Iraq that also hate us

Oh, and don't forget Russia harassing Afghanistan while U.S. President Jimmy Carter backed up the "Terrorists" in Afghanistan to fight Russia. Then the U.S. didn't even care to help rebuild Afghanistan. Now when I think of it...in the midst of the Cold War, all of these nations got into struggles just because of U.S. and Russia. That's so screwed up.

Anyways, when do you guys think the next World-Scale War will be and who will take part?!

andyb1205

2000 people died on 9/11, not 1000,and despite what you might think, the government actually does care about the victims and their families, so please don't talk about what you don't know. *leaves*

It's sad, but the leaving afterwards caused the ultimate amount of deaths. Sometimes war is necessary, but war is always bad in certain aspects.NathanHawkins

that is true, but did most americans really disrespect the soliders when they came back?

It's sad, but the leaving afterwards caused the ultimate amount of deaths. Sometimes war is necessary, but war is always bad in certain aspects.NathanHawkins

Hell yeah war sucks. There's always a war going on, and it's always because of Politics. Even most cases where religion is blamed, it's actually Politics.

So we fought against Nazism, we fought against Communism, now we fight again...Terrorism. After all of this settles within a hundred years or so, we'll fight against...something else!

All I know is that damn it must be good to be an Aussie, those Australians will be the only survivors after the rest of the world bombs eachother!

2000 people died on 9/11, not 1000,and despite what you might think, the government actually does care about the victims and their families, so please don't talk about what you don't know. *leaves*

Shrapnel99

Nearly 3000.

[QUOTE="NathanHawkins"]It's sad, but the leaving afterwards caused the ultimate amount of deaths. Sometimes war is necessary, but war is always bad in certain aspects.smallcaplegend

that is true, but did most americans really disrespect the soliders when they came back?

yes, my stepdad was spat on.

edit: let me clarify that. if you mean the vietnam war, many were considered as baby killers.

if you mean the war in the middleeast, then no....they are highly regarded.

[QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

2000 people died on 9/11, not 1000,and despite what you might think, the government actually does care about the victims and their families, so please don't talk about what you don't know. *leaves*

NathanHawkins

Nearly 3000.

True, I rounded wrong.

[QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

2000 people died on 9/11, not 1000,and despite what you might think, the government actually does care about the victims and their families, so please don't talk about what you don't know. *leaves*

NathanHawkins

Nearly 3000.

3000...scary number indeed. If you compare it to a Million dieing in other places though...

My point is, that don't Americans over-react somewhat? Perhaps it's because we've never seen tragedies like these while other countries are used to them.

[QUOTE="smallcaplegend"]

[QUOTE="NathanHawkins"]It's sad, but the leaving afterwards caused the ultimate amount of deaths. Sometimes war is necessary, but war is always bad in certain aspects.NathanHawkins

that is true, but did most americans really disrespect the soliders when they came back?

yes, my stepdad was spat on.

Yah I hate those mother .....ers. They should go join the damn army if they dare call anyone who's been on the battlefield a "(slang for vagina)"

But again, USA is the country with the least educated people out of all the 1st World Countries imo...heh.

[QUOTE="smallcaplegend"]

[QUOTE="NathanHawkins"]It's sad, but the leaving afterwards caused the ultimate amount of deaths. Sometimes war is necessary, but war is always bad in certain aspects.NathanHawkins

that is true, but did most americans really disrespect the soliders when they came back?

yes, my stepdad was spat on.

that sucks man, people can be jerks. People should show respect for people who would die for their country whether they like the war or not.

Yeah, the US does try to govern the whole world, for world peace. in teh end, thats what we all want, is peace. its just that the US seems to have the corrupt mentality of how to achieve it. "For the greater good" some might say...
Yeah, i just finished reading harry potter and the deathly hallows... hmm maybe theres some hidden meaning behind that book?Self_indulgence

They think through "arms of force" and showing that they are "militarily superior" the world will be scared of them and there will be global-peace. Won't happen though.

The cool thing about war, is that I'm sure two enemies would respect eachother, since they both have families. But really, at war, what do you fight for?

Btw, do you guys think that it is possible to change Africa? I mean the U.S. is damn rich, but still they can't do crap for Africa? I'm talking about getting rid of the civil wars, and helping those people have food/shelter and what-not. I mean...in 2007, there's still people that starve? Why not spend our money to save those lives, instead of going to Iraq where many people will die.

Or wait...Africa doesn't have oil? Bah..the oil argument is just fun to poke at :)

when we men are alive there will always be warPapaGlide

[QUOTE="Self_indulgence"]Yeah, the US does try to govern the whole world, for world peace. in teh end, thats what we all want, is peace. its just that the US seems to have the corrupt mentality of how to achieve it. "For the greater good" some might say...
Yeah, i just finished reading harry potter and the deathly hallows... hmm maybe theres some hidden meaning behind that book?andyb1205

They think through "arms of force" and showing that they are "militarily superior" the world will be scared of them and there will be global-peace. Won't happen though.

The cool thing about war, is that I'm sure two enemies would respect eachother, since they both have families. But really, at war, what do you fight for?

Btw, do you guys think that it is possible to change Africa? I mean the U.S. is damn rich, but still they can't do crap for Africa? I'm talking about getting rid of the civil wars, and helping those people have food/shelter and what-not. I mean...in 2007, there's still people that starve? Why not spend our money to save those lives, instead of going to Iraq where many people will die.

Or wait...Africa doesn't have oil? Bah..the oil argument is just fun to poke at :)

It was a huge mistake. The north Vietnamese leader was a very peaceful man who just though communism would help his people, it's not like we were fighting mao or stalin, and in the end, over time vietnam ended up voting down many of the economic policies over the years, so in the end, that war really was in vain.yoshi-lnex

Yah that's what I think. Why did Vietnam War happen, since the guy wasn't Hitler or anyone. And it wasn't a clash of races...they were all Viets

[QUOTE="Self_indulgence"]Yeah, the US does try to govern the whole world, for world peace. in teh end, thats what we all want, is peace. its just that the US seems to have the corrupt mentality of how to achieve it. "For the greater good" some might say...
Yeah, i just finished reading harry potter and the deathly hallows... hmm maybe theres some hidden meaning behind that book?andyb1205

They think through "arms of force" and showing that they are "militarily superior" the world will be scared of them and there will be global-peace. Won't happen though.

The cool thing about war, is that I'm sure two enemies would respect eachother, since they both have families. But really, at war, what do you fight for?

Btw, do you guys think that it is possible to change Africa? I mean the U.S. is damn rich, but still they can't do crap for Africa? I'm talking about getting rid of the civil wars, and helping those people have food/shelter and what-not. I mean...in 2007, there's still people that starve? Why not spend our money to save those lives, instead of going to Iraq where many people will die.

Or wait...Africa doesn't have oil? Bah..the oil argument is just fun to poke at :)

The thing is that people we send into Darfur, and other places like it, are being murdered. A few months ago, a truck load of college students (volunteered) went to bring water and vacinnes to Darfur. The rebels (whatever faction they are, I don't really know)stopped their truck, and burned everyone alive.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]It was a huge mistake. The north Vietnamese leader was a very peaceful man who just though communism would help his people, it's not like we were fighting mao or stalin, and in the end, over time vietnam ended up voting down many of the economic policies over the years, so in the end, that war really was in vain.andyb1205

Yah that's what I think. Why did Vietnam War happen, since the guy wasn't Hitler or anyone. And it wasn't a clash of races...they were all Viets

[QUOTE="andyb1205"]

[QUOTE="Self_indulgence"]Yeah, the US does try to govern the whole world, for world peace. in teh end, thats what we all want, is peace. its just that the US seems to have the corrupt mentality of how to achieve it. "For the greater good" some might say...
Yeah, i just finished reading harry potter and the deathly hallows... hmm maybe theres some hidden meaning behind that book?Shrapnel99

They think through "arms of force" and showing that they are "militarily superior" the world will be scared of them and there will be global-peace. Won't happen though.

The cool thing about war, is that I'm sure two enemies would respect eachother, since they both have families. But really, at war, what do you fight for?

Btw, do you guys think that it is possible to change Africa? I mean the U.S. is damn rich, but still they can't do crap for Africa? I'm talking about getting rid of the civil wars, and helping those people have food/shelter and what-not. I mean...in 2007, there's still people that starve? Why not spend our money to save those lives, instead of going to Iraq where many people will die.

Or wait...Africa doesn't have oil? Bah..the oil argument is just fun to poke at :)

The thing is that people we send into Darfur, and other places like it, are being murdered. A few months ago, a truck load of college students (volunteered) went to bring water and vacinnes to Darfur. The rebels (whatever faction they are, I don't really know)stopped their truck, and burned everyone alive.

Ah..didn't hear about that...damn that's sad. Why do those rebels not want help though? I don't get it...

That's like..me offering to give you some food,and you blasting my head open lol. I'd say "bring in the army" but then again we know what happened at Somalia. Damn..

[QUOTE="smallcaplegend"]

[QUOTE="NathanHawkins"]It's sad, but the leaving afterwards caused the ultimate amount of deaths. Sometimes war is necessary, but war is always bad in certain aspects.NathanHawkins

that is true, but did most americans really disrespect the soliders when they came back?

yes, my stepdad was spat on.

edit: let me clarify that. if you mean the vietnam war, many were considered as baby killers.

if you mean the war in the middleeast, then no....they are highly regarded.

Terrible for your dad.

Though people of my ethnicity have probably never heard of the Vietnam War, I always cringe with guilt and anger everytime a soldier from a war before my birth is disrespected for doing what he had to, or if they get disrespected unjustly.

[QUOTE="NathanHawkins"][QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

2000 people died on 9/11, not 1000,and despite what you might think, the government actually does care about the victims and their families, so please don't talk about what you don't know. *leaves*

andyb1205

Nearly 3000.

3000...scary number indeed. If you compare it to a Million dieing in other places though...

My point is, that don't Americans over-react somewhat? Perhaps it's because we've never seen tragedies like these while other countries are used to them.

No, we reacted as we should have.

On the whole nations are not comeplete altruists, especially larger more powerful nations. We have created a nation that was never meant to be attacked, who's people are meant to know peace and prosperity within it's borders.

If The South would of the fought they would of a had a chance to win. American forces pretty much wiped out the NVA army. The cong was the biggest problem. Plus the south wouldn't fight. They expected the American forces to do all of the fighting after the Vietcong sold the south out.

There could havebeen an unconditional surrender but America offered apeace accord under the assumption that they would never surrender. The U.S destroyed the North Army and the only resistance they had was from the rebels. It was the same thing this war is now. There is no enemy force. Just a small band of rebels hiding amongst the civilians and the daily operation is to keep the perimeter secure and weed out the rebels. BUT the problem is. There's a lot of weeds to find.

Vietnam wasaborted for the same reason most other wars are. It was no longer worth investing life, time and resources into it.France gave up on the southvietnamese sowhy did the U.S believe they could make difference? This is what happens with wars that don't have to be won. The war loses it's worth.

You can't win someone else's war, because there isonly so much time, life and resources you are willing to put into it. When it's your war you have no choice but to win. You can't quit and walk away. When the war is somewhere else you can just go home, but when the war is at home you have to fight to get it back or you won't have a home. If you're not willing to fight you will never get it back. Asia is not America's home. So how long do you think it will be before the current war is aborted?

America's real problem is that American's worry too much about killing civilians. When the enemy hides amongst them it happens. Who is a civilian anyway? Just because they don't have a gun today that means they are civilians? If there is a problem coming from your yard that is effecting my yard you better fix it or their will be a situation. If you can't fix it I am gonna come over there and fix it and if you get in the way... too bad so sad.

Vietnam could havebeen won. It was a test of will. Who could hold out longer, who wanted it more. Apparently America didn't REALLY want a victory.

Most world leaders are on a conquest. That's what Hitler wanted. So communism was a threat at the time. People are so dumb that they will let the gov take all of their right away. Hitler took away all of their guns before he started his conquest. And when he banned guns the people were like "Oh, Okay, whatever."

I don't you people realize how crappy communism is. There's a reason that severalcountries that were communist aren't communist anymore.

wow...first off we didn't lose...second it wasnt a war...third off our only failure in that war was our homeland support collapsing and influencing the coming generations negatively.... and to answer your question it was a conflict to contain communism and stop it from spreading any furtherClinton015

we did lose, because we forfeited based on general consensus of the public.

but i hear your point, we shouldn't have. had the U.S. had the backing we might have well prevented the massacre of 3 million.

wow...first off we didn't lose...second it wasnt a war...third off our only failure in that war was our homeland support collapsing and influencing the coming generations negatively.... and to answer your question it was a conflict to contain communism and stop it from spreading any furtherClinton015

Best summary. The term CONFLICT is political history bookhairsplitting BS. IT was a war. They played the game. America assaulted them then they assaulted American forces. Battles were fought with battalions and Brigades and ENTIRE divisions and it went on for years.

The current war is considered a war, it's the same scenario, but no where near the amount of fighting and destruction that took place vietnam is. Ask my father. Every day and nightthey taxiedoff ofChu Lai's runway it was a war.

US promised Vietnam independence if they helped kick the Japs out since they were going to liberate France.
US sided with France imperialism to guarantee French support against the USSR.
US blocked Vietnamese elections because 80% would have voted for Ho Chi Min
USA holocaust slaughtered over 4 million Southeast Asians. Cambodia and Laos governments were both couped by the CIA.

The more and more you think about it...the U.S. is kind of like a big bully.

US promised Vietnam independence if they helped kick the Japs out since they were going to liberate France.
US sided with France imperialism to guarantee French support against the USSR.
US blocked Vietnamese elections because 80% would have voted for Ho Chi Min
USA holocaust slaughtered over 4 million Southeast Asians. Cambodia and Laos governments were both couped by the CIA.

The more and more you think about it...the U.S. is kind of like a big bully.andyb1205

That's what politicians do. A soldier is just their tool. People should know this by now. The soldier is the handy man. There's anagenda and the soldier's job is to do the dirty work.

Who believes in the conspiracy that the U.S. is trying to set up a World Government?andyb1205

Lol, no.

I don't think there will be another World War, but I think that the Americans will start a whole bunch of illegal wars like they've been doing since World War I to reap the profits.

Top Ten Leaders in order:

United States - Bush
Iran - The Iranian Guy
United Kingdom - Gordon Brown
Italy - The Pizza Guy
Japan - The anime Guy
France - The Garlic Eating, Surrendering guy
Pakistan - The Pakistani Guy
Israel - That Israeli Guy
Gaza Strip - That guy
India - The indian lady

I don't think there will be another World War, but I think that the Americans will start a whole bunch of illegal wars like they've been doing since World War I to reap the profits.

Top Ten Leaders in order:

United States - Bush
Iran - The Iranian Guy
United Kingdom - Gordon Brown
Italy - The Pizza Guy
Japan - The anime Guy
France - The Garlic Eating, Surrendering guy
Pakistan - The Pakistani Guy
Israel - That Israeli Guy
Gaza Strip - That guy
India - The indian lady

Total-KO

I lol'd at the French one :lol:

Who believes in the conspiracy that the U.S. is trying to set up a World Government?andyb1205

Well, the evidence in Part III of Zeitgeist sounds very intreguing, luring, tempting and too hard to disagree with. Especially since you can't talk to the narrator of the video with how you disagree with some of his points.

Aaah, I know what you are saing in a way even if I didn't read your post. I'm the perfect soldier type, no family, almost no firends and no worries. That make me someone mad and not courageous which would help in critical situations.

I also tend to do thing myself because others are screwing things... and... I am an engineer. The army can't ask for more. Also, I'm a very stratagical person who think a lot so i could be a good leader.

But the chances are thin for me to ever get accepted in army due to my mental dissorder.

So, we all know how that went out.

It was North Vietnam, Vietcong, China, Soviet Union, and North Korea against South Vietnam, South Korea, U.S. + allies

Unfortunately, U.S. + allies lost, and South Vietnam reunified with Communist North Vietnam. I just watched the movie

"We Were Soldiers" and damn it's pretty intense. Honestly, we're so bias, and think One American live is worth 1000 foreign lives (still going on today, cough Israel) and there were many casualties.

Anyways, how did this even start? Who cares whose Communist or not, why have a war on it? Why don't the frikin Politicians just fight it out instead of having many people die because of their stubborness? Damn...is Communism really that bad? I mean I don't see it being bad enough to have a war over it...better than having millions of people die.

I live in Canada, but I kind of though USA thinks they can do whatever they want, trying to govern the world. We tried going in there and couldn't do anything, we tried going into Somalia with President Clinton and couldn't do anything. Now we're going into the Middle-East, and again, will not be able to do anything. So really, what's the point?

I mean, the whole world doesn't need to be like the U.S. Yes, there's places like Africa which really need help, but the truth is we can't do anything. I mean.. we could have pulled an Israel in Vietnam War,etc and just bombed the whole damn place, but then again..how would it feel like that happening to us?

The so-called strongest military Country in the world can't do anything to even 3rd world countries...our gov't is so screwed up lol.

The soldiers of North Vietnam were only fighting for their country pretty much, they were just doing what their leaders were telling them to. They were supposed to kill us, and we were supposed to return the favor. That's what the Taliban,etc are doing also, we kill them, they kill us. We can always leave them alone...

And after we've probably killed millions and millions of civilians, we start freaking out when a thousand died on September 11th. I doubt the gov't even cares about the losses of their own people, they just keep sending in men. Every problem has a root cause and I honestly think the U.S. is the reason for a lot of the violence in the world.

1. U.S. appoints its Puppet Dictator and Violent Shah in Iran.
2. Iran people overthrow the Shah. Iran Revolution (most of Iran is Shia, and Iraq has more Shia than Sunnis)
3. Saddham gets scared and attacks Iran.
4. U.S. supports Saddham.
5. We kill Saddham.
6. Iran hates our guts. And of course you get more terrorists in Iraq that also hate us

Oh, and don't forget Russia harassing Afghanistan while U.S. President Jimmy Carter backed up the "Terrorists" in Afghanistan to fight Russia. Then the U.S. didn't even care to help rebuild Afghanistan. Now when I think of it...in the midst of the Cold War, all of these nations got into struggles just because of U.S. and Russia. That's so screwed up.

Anyways, when do you guys think the next World-Scale War will be and who will take part?!

In your opinion, who are the Top 10 Military (overall) Leaders (countries) in the world?

andyb1205

We would have done alot in Somalia, but Clinton had a moment of idiocy and decided to pull out, even though the troops there wished to complete their mission.

I dont think there will be another major global war.

the top 10 militaries in the world, I'll list them in order

1st: United states military duh:P

2nd. United Kingdom

3rd, Israeli military

4th, China

5th. Russian (including commonwealth of independent states(former soviet union)

6th. France or Germany

7th. Germany or france

8th. India

I cant think of anymore

I dont think there will be another major global war.

the top 10 militaries in the world, I'll list them in order

1st: United states military duh:P

2nd. United Kingdom

3rd, Israeli military

4th, China

5th. Russian (including commonwealth of independent states(former soviet union)

6th. France or Germany

7th. Germany or france

8th. India

I cant think of anymore

mig_killer2

What about Egypt? They have the 2nd best military in Middle-East after Israel (think they got best airforce in middle-east?)