War.......

Ot i want to know what are your thoughts about war.....is it necssary, is it right, and can we ever live in a world without war....present your opinions and pls explain why no, "it's bad" or "it's dumb" PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY.... now i personally believe that war is necssary and well quite frankly war is human nature, for some bizzare reason we like to declare wars and fight and unless th entire human species is gone there will always be war.....

Anyway OT present your opinions

I just dont like it when someone might invoke the argument that war is inevitable just to justify or excuse a war that he/she finds should be done or whatever.

Wars are to be avoided in my opinion.

And I absolutely hate it when people often refer to how a war might help a nations economy. Well, I guess we should also support suicide since more people dead = more food and provisions for the rest of us.

>___>

War....What is it good for!?Dystopian-X

Oil!

War is necessary at times, but just accepting that it's a part of our nature and there is nothing we can do about it will achieve nothing.

War....What is it good for!?Dystopian-X

War is to the evolution of civilizations as natural selection is to the evolution of species.

War....What is it good for!?Dystopian-X

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?unholymight

War should be avoided at all costs yes.. but sometimes it is necessary.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?TheDuffman26

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?TheDuffman26

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?TheDuffman26

^Not a music guy...

wow....when I saw this topic, I got WAR by Burzum stuck in my head...

awesome song...

But my opinion on war....its necessary only as self defense. I dont feel like posting my whole arguement.....

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?TheDuffman26

On Topic: There have only been 2 years in history where humans have not been at war. Everything from the smartest civillizations to the smallest insects engages in combat, it will always be something that we do. We're still animals, just very self-aware ones.

I just dont like it when someone might invoke the argument that war is inevitable just to justify or excuse a war that he/she finds should be done or whatever.

Wars are to be avoided in my opinion.

And I absolutely hate it when people often refer to how a war might help a nations economy. Well, I guess we should also support suicide since more people dead = more food and provisions for the rest of us.

>___>

Teenaged

i see where you're coming but ever since the rise of civilziations there has been wars, so it's reasonableto assume that fighting and declaring wars is human nature and will always happen i personally believe that even if there was only a few people in the world we would still find ways to hurt each other

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I just dont like it when someone might invoke the argument that war is inevitable just to justify or excuse a war that he/she finds should be done or whatever.

Wars are to be avoided in my opinion.

And I absolutely hate it when people often refer to how a war might help a nations economy. Well, I guess we should also support suicide since more people dead = more food and provisions for the rest of us.

>___>

l4dak47

i see where you're coming but ever since the rise of civilziations there has been wars, so it's reasonableto assume that fighting and declaring wars is human nature and will always happen i personally believe that even if there was only a few people in the world we would still find ways to hurt each other

So true.

Sometimes

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?unholymight

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?TheDuffman26

Why the hell did you repost that?

War is necessary. What do you expect this?

"Hey southern states, I was wondering if you could give up slavery and the way of life you've known to love."

or

"Hey Hitler I was wondering if you could give up your conquest, cause it's kinda unfair."

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"][QUOTE="unholymight"] Absolutely nothing.TheGrayEye

Why the hell did you repost that?

What is it good for?

No it's not necessary, in a perfect world we'd have no militaries and be able to share resources. But the world isn't perfect and violence is king behind money. If anything Iraq should show us that war is now being made for profit, yes the US is hemorrhaging money but companies like Haliburton are/were thriving and member of our government had their hands wrist deep into the sweet war time cash. Despicable.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]War....What is it good for!?TheDuffman26

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"][QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

Why the hell did you repost that?

TheGrayEye

Honestly, you made yourself look like an idiot.

War is good for the economy, and improving relations after the war is over.It can also help get rid of infidels and people who are inclined to commit treason.CrustyFrags

troll is troll.

War is sometimes necesary, sometimes right and always Hell.

i see where you're coming but ever since the rise of civilziations there has been wars, so it's reasonableto assume that fighting and declaring wars is human nature and will always happen i personally believe that even if there was only a few people in the world we would still find ways to hurt each other

l4dak47

I will quote another user in response to your response:

War is necessary at times, but just accepting that it's a part of our nature and there is nothing we can do about it will achieve nothing.swizz-the-gamer

Although again to me thinking that war or conflict is in our nature just because it happens very frequently doesnt mean its unavoidable, or that even the reason behind that mindset (the frequency of conflict/wars) makes the mindset valid.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

i see where you're coming but ever since the rise of civilziations there has been wars, so it's reasonableto assume that fighting and declaring wars is human nature and will always happen i personally believe that even if there was only a few people in the world we would still find ways to hurt each other

Teenaged

I will quote another user in response to your response:

War is necessary at times, but just accepting that it's a part of our nature and there is nothing we can do about it will achieve nothing.swizz-the-gamer

i never said that we should just accept that....what i'm saying is that it's human nature...we should try to stop wars but i have a feeling that the effors will be futile

i never said that we should just accept that....what i'm saying is that it's human nature...we should try to stop wars but i have a feeling that the effors will be futile

l4dak47

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

i never said that we should just accept that....what i'm saying is that it's human nature...we should try to stop wars but i have a feeling that the effors will be futile

Teenaged

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

i never said that we should just accept that....what i'm saying is that it's human nature...we should try to stop wars but i have a feeling that the effors will be futile

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

i never said that we should just accept that....what i'm saying is that it's human nature...we should try to stop wars but i have a feeling that the effors will be futile

heysharpshooter

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

And yes perhaps violence is in nature. But chimps have no choice to avoid it. They havent reached and accomplished what we have accomplished and are deffinetely more bound to natural predispositions than we are.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Conceding to the belief that its part of our nature (which is debatable) wont achieve anything either.

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

Teenaged

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

And yes perhaps violence is in nature. But chimps have no choice to avoid it. They havent reached and accomplished what we have accomplished and are deffinetely more bound to natural predispositions than we are.

Humans are mammals, and we are great apes. We possess the same impulses and needs as all mammals. If a mammal sometimes has to fight to fulfill one of those needs or impulses, then don't we?

Still, as much as fighting is a natural thing, war is no longer natural. The way we fight wars now is tottally unnatural, with weapons capable of leveling entire city blocks and chemical weapons that can kill thousands.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

heysharpshooter

And yes perhaps violence is in nature. But chimps have no choice to avoid it. They havent reached and accomplished what we have accomplished and are deffinetely more bound to natural predispositions than we are.

1. Humans are mammals, and we are great apes. We possess the same impulses and needs as all mammals. If a mammal sometimes has to fight to fulfill one of those needs or impulses, then don't we?

2. Still, as much as fighting is a natural thing, war is no longer natural. The way we fight wars now is tottally unnatural, with weapons capable of leveling entire city blocks and chemical weapons that can kill thousands.

2. So the only way our behavior should be "unnatural" is in the means we use to carry out those tasks? Shouldnt we also pursue to achieve the non-carrying out of those tasks whenever thats possible? And thus be "unnatural".

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well humans are supposed to go above the level of animals, arent they?

And yes perhaps violence is in nature. But chimps have no choice to avoid it. They havent reached and accomplished what we have accomplished and are deffinetely more bound to natural predispositions than we are.

Teenaged

1. Humans are mammals, and we are great apes. We possess the same impulses and needs as all mammals. If a mammal sometimes has to fight to fulfill one of those needs or impulses, then don't we?

2. Still, as much as fighting is a natural thing, war is no longer natural. The way we fight wars now is tottally unnatural, with weapons capable of leveling entire city blocks and chemical weapons that can kill thousands.

2. So the only way our behavior should be "unnatural" is in the means we use to carry out those tasks? Shouldnt we also pursue to achieve the non-carrying out of those tasks whenever thats possible? And thus be "unnatural".

But can we? These things are hard wired into us, and while at times we can seperate ourselves from our more primal emotions, we cannot completely sever our ties with what nature gave us. I never said we shouldn't try to prevent conflict. My orginal post is on an earlier page: I would suggest reading it. I merely said that conflict is not "unnatural".

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

i never said that we should just accept that....what i'm saying is that it's human nature...we should try to stop wars but i have a feeling that the effors will be futile

heysharpshooter

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Conceding to the belief that its part of our nature (which is debatable) wont achieve anything either.

You dont move to better the world around you aiming in perfection. In this case you dont aim to achieve no wars at all. You are aiming to avoid as many as possible. I try to avoid extrapolating the perception of the goal just to label the goal unnatainable and have an excuse to reduce my efforts towards it.

swizz-the-gamer

Violence is nature. Chimps often go to "war", attacking other family units for control of territory. Considering they have 98% of our DNA, they are a pretty good bit of evidence that one group fighting another group for something is perfectly natural. We have merely found very unnatural things to fight about, like relegion.

Not all violence commited by humans is related to war. And our accomplishments have not stopped violence. It never will. We are still animals, and our behavior says so. Our natural tendency to "chest thump" is a genetic hold over. Men still fight over women, and both sexes still do things to make themselves attractive. We are still territorial, and still live in family units.

We are much more wild then you may believe.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

1. Humans are mammals, and we are great apes. We possess the same impulses and needs as all mammals. If a mammal sometimes has to fight to fulfill one of those needs or impulses, then don't we?

2. Still, as much as fighting is a natural thing, war is no longer natural. The way we fight wars now is tottally unnatural, with weapons capable of leveling entire city blocks and chemical weapons that can kill thousands.

heysharpshooter

2. So the only way our behavior should be "unnatural" is in the means we use to carry out those tasks? Shouldnt we also pursue to achieve the non-carrying out of those tasks whenever thats possible? And thus be "unnatural".

But can we? These things are hard wired into us, and while at times we can seperate ourselves from our more primal emotions, we cannot completely sever our ties with what nature gave us. I never said we shouldn't try to prevent conflict. My orginal post is on an earlier page: I would suggest reading it. I merely said that conflict is not "unnatural".

No no I am not saying the people should avoid any kind of conflict. Fights and arguments will be had, friends might swear at each other and so on. But war is not just conflict and I wont accept that we cant possibly live without it; as in that it cant possible be 100% avoided. And in the end it doesnt matter if indeed it cant be avoided 100%.

And the interview you are about to have wont guarantee you the job but still you try to do your best. The odds are against you and yet you try to do your best. Can that be seen as ignoring those odds to achieve it? Perhaps. I dont find idealistic mindsets to be detrimental. In fact, in some cases they can be inspiring and surely not achieve that 100% but deffinetely will prevent that percentage from falling due to our conceding to the situation.