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#1 cee1gee
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do you think we are succeeding on this war on terrorism , or do you think its a waste of time and money?

im from america and i feel they should bring the troops back...imo you cant really win a war on terrorism because they dont care if they die..

we should just protect ourselves better so no more attacks here happen instead of going on their home turf...any thoughts?

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#2 wado-karate
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There has always been Terror in the world, its a pointless war that will never end. If you defeat it in the Middle Eat theres bound to be one other place in the world thats terrorizing some country. In fact, isn't war just based off of terror? One country terrorizing another?

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#3 cee1gee
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There has always been Terror in the world, its a pointless war that will never end. If you defeat it in the Middle Eat theres bound to be one other place in the world thats terrorizing some country. In fact, isn't war just based off of terror? One country terrorizing another?

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u got a point there...
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#4 mrbojangles25
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You cant really wage a formal war on terror because you'll be fighting it until the end of time.

I think reacting to and preventing acts of terror is fine, but to continually wage war and station troops abroad in a political and social environment that does not need them is wrong.

I dont like some of the practices of fundamental Islam, but if a country other than mine wants to adopt those practices, let them. Not our business.

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#5 foxhound_fox
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Terrorism has existed basically since the dawn of organized tribal societies and continued on throughout the history settled civilization. There is no way to stop the oppressed and fanatics from doing whatever it takes to be heard. The "War on Terrorism" is an absolute joke. For every terrorist you kill, there are 10 waiting to take their place... and in many cases, more determined due to the death of their comrade.

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#6 pyromaniac223
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You will never win a war on terror. It's just not possible.
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#7 Conjuration
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No one has the answers
But one thing is true
You got to turn on evil
When its coming after you
You gotta face it down
And when it tries to hide
You gotta go in after it
And never be denied

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#8 mixmax5
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I really don't agree with it and I hardly think we are "winning".

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#9 one_plum
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Winning against terror by amplifying worldwide paranoia since the start of the war? Sounds like an oxymoron.

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#10 Pixel-Pirate
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Pointless waste of money. Waging a war on an abstract idea like terrorism isn't going to work. Wars are conventionally fought against nations and people. Not ideas. No one will ever be able to extinguish terrorism in the world.

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#11 deactivated-5d3f5f1ece8fb
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The abstract idea you all are talking of is called the Taliban/Al Qaeda.

I prefer to fight the Taliban/Al Qaeda on their soil with trained professional soldiers.

I do not want to fight the Taliban/ Al Qaeda on our soil with firefighters, cops, doctors, and nurses.

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#12 Pixel-Pirate
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The abstract idea you all are talking of is called the Taliban.

I prefer to fight the Taliban on their soil with trained professional soldiers.

I do not want to fight the Taliban on our soil with firefighters, cops, doctors, and nurses.

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The Taliban do not hold exclusive rights to terrorism. If we defeated the Taliban, terrorism would still exist. And it's the war on terror, not the war on the taliban.

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#13 deactivated-5d0e4d67d0988
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I don't know about you, but I fully support America's War of Terror.

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#14 black_cat19
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I don't know about you, but I fully support America's War of Terror.

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I lol'd.

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#15 MuddVader
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If you want terrorism to end, say goodbye to your rights and your religions, or prepare to keep fighting.

(Are those not the only choices? correct me if i'm wrong)

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#16 andytisnt
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i feel that the idea to fight for the security of peoples lives is a good one but the way they are going about it is not so much wrong but could be more effective,, i feel they should fix the problems of terrorism within there country first before going overseas to fight it, the terrosits overseas pose little to no threat to the u.s. as it has a very strong national defence system, but those within the country itself pose the largest threat, if they can fight overseas without compromising the amount they can control withing there own country then its a good idea. Its hard on the troops, but thats what they are trained for, exactly these situations.

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#17 Dman0017
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its funny how America cant try to get anything done without declaring war on it
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#18 Kanix23
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its funny how America cant try to get anything done without declaring war on it Dman0017

What's funnier is your lack of punctuation.

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#19 ariz3260
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Although I agree something should be done about terrorism, there are better ways to go about it than waging wars.

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#20 Shad0ki11
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The term "War on Terror" has been phased out of the government...or at least they've been trying to phase it out for the past number of months.

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#21 Dman0017
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[QUOTE="Dman0017"]its funny how America cant try to get anything done without declaring war on it Kanix23

What's funnier is your lack of punctuation.

nice, you attack the way a person writes instead of what they say. :|
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#22 Pyro767
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We will never destroy terrorism, but that doesn't mean that we can't beat Al Queda.
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#23 Kanix23
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[QUOTE="Kanix23"]

[QUOTE="Dman0017"]its funny how America cant try to get anything done without declaring war on it Dman0017

What's funnier is your lack of punctuation.

nice, you attack the way a person writes instead of what they say. :|

What else did you want me to say? You made a sweeping generalization without providing anything to back it up.

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#24 Shad0ki11
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[QUOTE="Dman0017"][QUOTE="Kanix23"]

What's funnier is your lack of punctuation.

Kanix23

nice, you attack the way a person writes instead of what they say. :|

What else did you want me to say? You made a sweeping generalization without providing anything to back it up.

Do sweeping generalizations need backup? -.-;;

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#25 fidosim
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People make the mistake of believing that the War on Terror is a war against terrorism as a whole, when it is really a war on Islamic Extremeism and its associated militant organizations. The reason we've been reluctant to call it that is because it would give people the impression that we're fighting Islam itself. Putting it in that light, I do support the War on Terror, and I hope that the President won't back away from it.
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#26 SunofVich
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IMO every dead terrorist is a success.

If we dont seek out and kill this maniacs then they can keep planning their attacks in relative safety.

The only thing that makes me angry is that the war is called War on Terrorism. But it seems more like a War on Al-Queda. Al-Queda is not the only terrorist group out there. There is the Chechans, the PKK, and numerous numbers of them in Africa.

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#27 Kanix23
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[QUOTE="Kanix23"]

[QUOTE="Dman0017"] nice, you attack the way a person writes instead of what they say. :|Shad0ki11

What else did you want me to say? You made a sweeping generalization without providing anything to back it up.

Do sweeping generalizations need backup? -.-;;

No, thus the "sweeping".

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#28 Dman0017
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[QUOTE="Dman0017"][QUOTE="Kanix23"]

What's funnier is your lack of punctuation.

Kanix23

nice, you attack the way a person writes instead of what they say. :|

What else did you want me to say? You made a sweeping generalization without providing anything to back it up.

Americans have declared a war on terror, war on drugs, war on crime and a war on poverty.
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#29 Kanix23
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[QUOTE="Kanix23"]

[QUOTE="Dman0017"] nice, you attack the way a person writes instead of what they say. :|Dman0017

What else did you want me to say? You made a sweeping generalization without providing anything to back it up.

Americans have declared a war on terror, war on drugs, war on crime and a war on poverty.

What country doesn't try to fight these things? Btw, I thought you were talking about literal warfare. It seems you just meant it as a generalization.

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#30 Dman0017
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[QUOTE="Dman0017"][QUOTE="Kanix23"]

What else did you want me to say? You made a sweeping generalization without providing anything to back it up.

Kanix23

Americans have declared a war on terror, war on drugs, war on crime and a war on poverty.

What country doesn't try to fight these things? Btw, I thought you were talking about literal warfare. It seems you just meant it as a generalization.

I just thought it was funny that they need to "declare war" on it to get something done.it is great that they want to try and fix it, but it seems to be an odd mindset that requires it to be a war to get any major action. that is all i meant. nothing more.

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#31 K0PaSk4
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The term "War on Terror" has been phased out of the government...or at least they've been trying to phase it out for the past number of months.

Shad0ki11
Indeed, first it was GWOT (Global War On Terror). Then for a time it became SAVE (Strategy Against Violent Extremism). Later on, it became CONTEST (Counter Terrorism Strategy) with the 4 P's of "Prevent, Pursue, Protect and Prepare.

I really don't agree with it and I hardly think we are "winning".

mixmax5
The U.S and its allies wont be winning anything like this, because the real issue is that of matching satellite-based and air launched technology of war should be calibrated with the ground-level anthropology challenge of graduated winning hearts and minds. GWOT, SAVE and OCO can only succeed if these ground level social, economic and cultural issues are resolved at the scope and speed willingly undertaken by local leaders. To simply put we need more chalk on the ground in order ton win this "war" But how far does U.S & its allies willing to go to win this "war"?
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#32 Kanix23
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But how far does U.S & its allies willing to go to win this "war"?K0PaSk4

Good point. These terrorists, while evil, are incredibly committed to their cause and if they had even half the technology that we had, we would be toast. The US just doesn't have the same type of hard conviction that's required to match the terrorists.

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#33 andytisnt
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Although I agree something should be done about terrorism, there are better ways to go about it than waging wars.

ariz3260
Any idea's?? please if you have a way that is better then fighting to resolve this issue let the US government know...
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#34 jimmyjammer69
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Curtailing civil liberties is only going to lead to more terrorism.
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#35 jetpower3
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The War on Terror is a bit of a quagmire at this moment. Luckily, the U.S. and its allies have only a major presence in two hot spots. If you really wanted to fight terror and perceived threats, you would be all over the developing world, where security is full of holes. That would be no good at all. The only thing I see to be viable at this moment would be for the U.S. and its allies to finish off whatever commitments it currently has in the region and go home. And yes, I'm aware that can take decades, and that the public in the developed world generally has little patience. But if the U.S. and its allies pulls out now, things will only get worse in the region. I'm also not a big fan of calling something quits until it's finished, especially when so many lives hang in the balance.

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#36 CBR600-RR
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We're trying to train the Afghan army so that when they're good enough to fight back, we'll pull more troops out and let themselves take care of it.

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#37 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

The term "War on Terror" has been phased out of the government...or at least they've been trying to phase it out for the past number of months.

K0PaSk4

Indeed, first it was GWOT (Global War On Terror). Then for a time it became SAVE (Strategy Against Violent Extremism). Later on, it became CONTEST (Counter Terrorism Strategy) with the 4 P's of "Prevent, Pursue, Protect and Prepare.

I really don't agree with it and I hardly think we are "winning".

mixmax5

The U.S and its allies wont be winning anything like this, because the real issue is that of matching satellite-based and air launched technology of war should be calibrated with the ground-level anthropology challenge of graduated winning hearts and minds. GWOT, SAVE and OCO can only succeed if these ground level social, economic and cultural issues are resolved at the scope and speed willingly undertaken by local leaders. To simply put we need more chalk on the ground in order ton win this "war" But how far does U.S & its allies willing to go to win this "war"?

By more "chalk", do you mean more projects related to education and development? Because that's one thing Afghanistan in particular does not have very much of at all. In fact, it's more than just education that's needed. After 30 years of war, you've had an entire generation that's grown up only knowing war, and how to fight. That sounds like a prime, one way ticket to near endless conflict. An entirely new outlook for this is necessary.

We should all know by now that guerrilla warfare, insurgencies, or just asymmetrical warfare in general is one of the most difficult to combat. Unlike regular, symmetrical warfare, there is no tangible army to conquer and dominate in the field. No matter what kind of success you have in any one engagement, more will just keep coming unless you isolate their population and recruitment base. The hearts and minds approach is one of the methods to doing so, and it can certainly be effective, but the cunning ability of insurgents is not to be underestimated. Even if the U.S. and its allies make a point to really show the people of Afghanistan that they are committed to their development and eventually "prosperity" as a nation, the insurgents can easily make an example both physically and psychologically not to deal with them (I'm always taken back to the monologue by Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now about the Viet Cong chopping off inoculated arms of villagers). Violence and war on its own will be just as bad, leading to more and more escalation.

The optimal seems to be using the two in tandem, as well as discouraging the existing insurgents from fighting, or, if you're lucky, maybe even defecting. It's not so easy when their motive is so indoctrinated into them after years of fighting for a particular cause, but it can sure be worth a try. Just my two cents.

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#38 redthug
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in pakistan we are having almost a war like situation.....when u leave home you never know that u gonna come home alive....these terrorist are killing innocent people...and yeah i hope someday these terrorists get some sence and dont waste lives as they are doing right now......

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#39 Oey666
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

You cant really wage a formal war on terror because you'll be fighting it until the end of time.

I think reacting to and preventing acts of terror is fine, but to continually wage war and station troops abroad in a political and social environment that does not need them is wrong.

I dont like some of the practices of fundamental Islam, but if a country other than mine wants to adopt those practices, let them. Not our business.

Well, this is the point of using the name "war on terror". It can never be won and will continue to make a few people very rich.
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I have a feeling alot of you don't know the point behind the war..

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[QUOTE="K0PaSk4"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]Indeed, first it was GWOT (Global War On Terror). Then for a time it became SAVE (Strategy Against Violent Extremism). Later on, it became CONTEST (Counter Terrorism Strategy) with the 4 P's of "Prevent, Pursue, Protect and Prepare. [QUOTE="mixmax5"]

I really don't agree with it and I hardly think we are "winning".

jetpower3

The U.S and its allies wont be winning anything like this, because the real issue is that of matching satellite-based and air launched technology of war should be calibrated with the ground-level anthropology challenge of graduated winning hearts and minds. GWOT, SAVE and OCO can only succeed if these ground level social, economic and cultural issues are resolved at the scope and speed willingly undertaken by local leaders. To simply put we need more chalk on the ground in order ton win this "war" But how far does U.S & its allies willing to go to win this "war"?

By more "chalk", do you mean more projects related to education and development? Because that's one thing Afghanistan in particular does not have very much of at all. In fact, it's more than just education that's needed. After 30 years of war, you've had an entire generation that's grown up only knowing war, and how to fight. That sounds like a prime, one way ticket to near endless conflict. An entirely new outlook for this is necessary.

We should all know by now that guerrilla warfare, insurgencies, or just asymmetrical warfare in general is one of the most difficult to combat. Unlike regular, symmetrical warfare, there is no tangible army to conquer and dominate in the field. No matter what kind of success you have in any one engagement, more will just keep coming unless you isolate their population and recruitment base. The hearts and minds approach is one of the methods to doing so, and it can certainly be effective, but the cunning ability of insurgents is not to be underestimated. Even if the U.S. and its allies make a point to really show the people of Afghanistan that they are committed to their development and eventually "prosperity" as a nation, the insurgents can easily make an example both physically and psychologically not to deal with them (I'm always taken back to the monologue by Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now about the Viet Cong chopping off inoculated arms of villagers). Violence and war on its own will be just as bad, leading to more and more escalation.

The optimal seems to be using the two in tandem, as well as discouraging the existing insurgents from fighting, or, if you're lucky, maybe even defecting. It's not so easy when their motive is so indoctrinated into them after years of fighting for a particular cause, but it can sure be worth a try. Just my two cents.

My point exactly . We need more people on the ground in order to launch effective Territorial Capacity Buiding (TCB) programs. Its twin track schemes provide governance capacity building for village, local and township management as well as supporting economic development delivery systems. Reinforcing governance capacity and providing economic support (repair of irrigation canals, bridges, rehabilitating houses of worship, teaching arithmetic and maybe, english in isolated areas) create a positive environment of ?nation-building? and ?nation replenishing? at the grass roots level. Yes chance of violence repercussion does exists as you mentioned above, but its a risk that have to be taken. They (U.S) did tried to take less risky way by addressing the problem right to ?cultural roots of the problem? in a particular country in the Middle East or South Asia. Kinetic-based counter-terrorist actions, including the use of special forces and UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) operated from Nevada often inadvertently targeted innocent civilians suspected of being involved in terrorist acts in the Middle East and Afghanistan. But it was proven largely ineffective, if anything it only providing fuel for Al-Qaida's "Christian West vs Muslim East" propaganda.
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#42 bsman00
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[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

do you think we are succeeding on this war on terrorism , or do you think its a waste of time and money?

im from america and i feel they should bring the troops back...imo you cant really win a war on terrorism because they dont care if they die..

we should just protect ourselves better so no more attacks here happen instead of going on their home turf...any thoughts?

IT will be like the war on drugs... never ever ending
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#43 Hewkii
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Good point. These terrorists, while evil, Kanix23
*ignores everyone who's not Al Qaeda*
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#44 Napster06
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The war on terrorism, specifically the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is like fighting against an invisible army. I guess it does more harm than good.
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#45 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Al Qaeda is basically dead. The war has shifted from the homefront to overseas.

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#46 KungfuKitten
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Education and social safety net are the key in countries with established order. (teaching relativism and the way we all play a role in society (politics, landing a job, law/rights, criminals, police); making sure they got something to lose and don't become criminal out of necessity)
But when facing guerilla warfare in a chaotic foreign country, i don't think creating order is the best approach.

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#47 htekemerald
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The war on terror is a joke. America goes around saying do as we say or you're dead, then claims anyone who doesn't is a terrorist.

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#48 KungfuKitten
Member since 2006 • 27389 Posts

The war on terror is a joke. America goes around saying do as we say or you're dead, then claims anyone who doesn't is a terrorist.

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Yes that was horrid. They were saying it like any form of protest against their rule was considered terrorism from that point on.
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#49 Flamecommando
Member since 2003 • 11634 Posts

We are making progress, but it will take some tactics that they will never do to win.