Polls indicated that he would have gotten ~17-18% of the vote in a 3 way election between him, Obama, and Romney.
This would have been enough to get him into the debates, which is something Johnson obviously couldn't do.
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He might've snagged about 5%, not nearly enough to be competitive or anything, but enough to steal any hope of winning the election from Romney.
He's really only popular with the college kids and 20 year olds. He is still known as the crazy guy amongst older people. He has no chance.lo_PineThis.
Nobody cares what selfish teenagers/hipsters have to say, and most can't vote anyway.
That's pretty much the only reason why I like him.Would be funny to see in the debates, otherwise meh.
Aljosa23
i have read articles and watched many videos of Ron Paul and i will say he doesnt get the credit that he deserves
Credit for what? What has he done?i have read articles and watched many videos of Ron Paul and i will say he doesnt get the credit that he deserves
djdarkforces
[QUOTE="djdarkforces"]Credit for what? What has he done? he totally owned William Jennings Bryan in the debate over monetary policy.i have read articles and watched many videos of Ron Paul and i will say he doesnt get the credit that he deserves
Toxic-Seahorse
He wouldn't have won. I would like a third party, and I agree that him getting about 20% of votes would be a big deal, and would definitely get the other candidates' attention, but wouldn't that also be a massive amount of money and effort for something that he knew wouldn't land him the presidency?
I think it would be worth it to see him debate Obama and weaken the 2 party system.He wouldn't have won. I would like a third party, and I agree that him getting about 20% of votes would be a big deal, and would definitely get the other candidates' attention, but wouldn't that also be a massive amount of money and effort for something that he knew wouldn't land him the presidency?
-TheSecondSign-
[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]I think it would be worth it to see him debate Obama and weaken the 2 party system.He wouldn't have won. I would like a third party, and I agree that him getting about 20% of votes would be a big deal, and would definitely get the other candidates' attention, but wouldn't that also be a massive amount of money and effort for something that he knew wouldn't land him the presidency?
Laihendi
Ron Paul couldn't own anyone in the GOP primary debates. It's not guaranteed that he could do anything against anyone else.
No. Paul probably didn't want to take votes away from Romney and end up helping Obama win.
whipassmt
This. As much as the two party system sucks, it's what we have right now. Third parties never get anywhere near a majority of the votes, and they only take away potential votes from the candidates that actually have a chance. That's not how it should be. That's not how it's always been. But it is the reality, at this time. And as much as Ron Paul might disagree with Romney on certain issues, he'd rather see Romney win than Obama. And he knows that his presence on the ballot would do nothing but takes votes away from Romney (and maybe a few from Obama, but far more from Romney).
I think it would be worth it to see him debate Obama and weaken the 2 party system.[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]
He wouldn't have won. I would like a third party, and I agree that him getting about 20% of votes would be a big deal, and would definitely get the other candidates' attention, but wouldn't that also be a massive amount of money and effort for something that he knew wouldn't land him the presidency?
jimkabrhel
Ron Paul couldn't own anyone in the GOP primary debates. It's not guaranteed that he could do anything against anyone else.
He owned Romney plenty of times in the Primaries and Obama would be a pushover.[QUOTE="djdarkforces"]Credit for what? What has he done? what hasn't he done is more the question at hand.i have read articles and watched many videos of Ron Paul and i will say he doesnt get the credit that he deserves
Toxic-Seahorse
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I think it would be worth it to see him debate Obama and weaken the 2 party system.sexyweapons
Ron Paul couldn't own anyone in the GOP primary debates. It's not guaranteed that he could do anything against anyone else.
He owned Romney plenty of times in the Primaries and Obama would be a pushover.This. I really don't understand how anyone could possible be so dense, as to watch the GOP primaries, and not think Paul was the only one making a lick of sense.
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="djdarkforces"]Credit for what? What has he done? what hasn't he done is more the question at hand.i have read articles and watched many videos of Ron Paul and i will say he doesnt get the credit that he deserves
sexyweapons
What has he actually done? In all his years in politics what meaningful things has he accomplished?
what hasn't he done is more the question at hand.[QUOTE="sexyweapons"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Credit for what? What has he done?worlock77
What has he actually done? In all his years in politics what meaningful things has he accomplished?
He's been one of the only congressmen not constantly voting himself a raise, supporting meaningless, convoluted laws, or robbing the people of their rights. I'd say the fact that he's "done" so little is why he's so great.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="sexyweapons"] what hasn't he done is more the question at hand.the_bi99man
What has he actually done? In all his years in politics what meaningful things has he accomplished?
He's been one of the only congressmen not constantly voting himself a raise, supporting meaningless, convoluted laws, or robbing the people of their rights. I'd say the fact that he's "done" so little is why he's so great.
It's easy enough to just sit back and constantly say "no" to everything, but has he worked to actually get anything done?
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
What has he actually done? In all his years in politics what meaningful things has he accomplished?
worlock77
He's been one of the only congressmen not constantly voting himself a raise, supporting meaningless, convoluted laws, or robbing the people of their rights. I'd say the fact that he's "done" so little is why he's so great.
It's easy enough to just sit back and constantly say "no" to everything, but has he worked to actually get anything done?
Audit The Fed Bill Legalisation Of Marajauna Bill and appealing to Congress to stop a bunch of wars and NDAA stuffwhat hasn't he done is more the question at hand.[QUOTE="sexyweapons"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Credit for what? What has he done?worlock77
What has he actually done? In all his years in politics what meaningful things has he accomplished?
Its not like h hasn't tried to make a differance[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
He's been one of the only congressmen not constantly voting himself a raise, supporting meaningless, convoluted laws, or robbing the people of their rights. I'd say the fact that he's "done" so little is why he's so great.
sexyweapons
It's easy enough to just sit back and constantly say "no" to everything, but has he worked to actually get anything done?
Audit The Fed Bill Legalisation Of Marajauna Bill and appealing to Congress to stop a bunch of wars and NDAA stuffThis. He's actually been very prolific during his decades in office. But, it's hard to make things happen in congress, when literally everyone else, Republican and Democrat thinks you're crazy because you use logic, and realize that the government isn't supposed to be spending trillions of dollars it doesn't have.
It would have been nice to see a presidential debate between three people, but I don't think it was a mistake for Ron Paul to drop out of the race.
I don't see how that is important though.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]He couldn't because his son is a republican senator. Laihendi
Ron's political career is in its twilight, his son's is just starting and he doesn't want to do things that could potentially damage his son's standing in the party.
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
What has he actually done? In all his years in politics what meaningful things has he accomplished?
worlock77
He's been one of the only congressmen not constantly voting himself a raise, supporting meaningless, convoluted laws, or robbing the people of their rights. I'd say the fact that he's "done" so little is why he's so great.
It's easy enough to just sit back and constantly say "no" to everything, but has he worked to actually get anything done?
Why on Earth would you only, or even primarily judge a politician based on what he's in favor of? What someone rejects can often be far more important and telling than what they accept.He's really only popular with the college kids and 20 year olds. He is still known as the crazy guy amongst older people. He has no chance.lo_PineHis son will have a chance once those old people die.
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]He's really only popular with the college kids and 20 year olds. He is still known as the crazy guy amongst older people. He has no chance.edgewalker16His son will have a chance once those old people die. You're overestimating the intelligence level of Americans.
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
He's been one of the only congressmen not constantly voting himself a raise, supporting meaningless, convoluted laws, or robbing the people of their rights. I'd say the fact that he's "done" so little is why he's so great.
Rhazakna
It's easy enough to just sit back and constantly say "no" to everything, but has he worked to actually get anything done?
Why on Earth would you only, or even primarily judge a politician based on what he's in favor of? What someone rejects can often be far more important and telling than what they accept.I didn't say I would. I'm just asking what he's accomplished. I know what he's rejected, I'd like to know what he's accomplished though.
I think it would be worth it to see him debate Obama /and weaken the 2 party system/.LaihendiQuite optimistic, aren't we?
Why on Earth would you only, or even primarily judge a politician based on what he's in favor of? What someone rejects can often be far more important and telling than what they accept.[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
It's easy enough to just sit back and constantly say "no" to everything, but has he worked to actually get anything done?
worlock77
I didn't say I would. I'm just asking what he's accomplished. I know what he's rejected, I'd like to know what he's accomplished though.
"Accomplishments" in politics are vastly overrated. Bush got a whole helluva lot "accomplished".And we're going to do that by continuing to elect people who support the 2 party system?LaihendiNon-ideally, yes. You'd need a benevolent section of the parties to vote on the measure, otherwise it won't go through. Even ideally, you'd still need that to happen. Now, whether that does or doesn't tickle your fancy, I don't really care. I just retorted to your assertion that a strong third party candidate was the only way to weaken a two party system, which wasn't correct. The other complaint I have is assuming that a strong third party showing in the Presidential election is going to do much to weaken the two party system (we've had this before recently, nothing much happened). This isn't really the most sensible solution. Yes, I'll grant that if you have a good showing in the Presidential elections, you'll get more exposure -- that much is obvious. However, if you don't continue this momentum into Congressionals, you'll only ever be ineffectual. If you want a road to change, it'd seem like you'd want to establish a strong base in state congresses and eventually Congress, then focus on the Presidential.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]And we're going to do that by continuing to elect people who support the 2 party system?RapporteurNon-ideally, yes. You'd need a benevolent section of the parties to vote on the measure, otherwise it won't go through. Let's just ignore the fact that people have been voting for people who support the 2 party system since it has existed, and that has done nothing to weaken it.
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