I thought it was pretty curious that after some searching around the internet I could not find any contemporanious historians recording Jesus of Nazareth's actual existence. A lot of Christians will point out Josephus, however there is actually only one line that they are actually referencing. Some people believe this line that talks of Jesus Christ to actually be a mistranslation. Regardless Josephus was not born until after Christ's supposed death. I can't make up my mind either way on this matter.
The other thing you have to consider with the whole was Christ a real person thing is that to deny him not being real is like chalking up the entirety of Western civilization to myth. It'd be a huge blow to not just religious people but even those who are not, since we have all been inherently shaped by Christianity.
Yes...that aspect shouldn't be debated.LJS9502_basic
I'm generally ignorant in this specific matter so I'm just looking for some sources that would be for his existence. The reason I say contemporanious historian is because the farther the time of the records are from the actual event the more likely it is that the writer will be effected by cultural forces that hurt the credibility of his writing.
BTW, while their is little historical evidence outside the new testament proving jesus' existence, there is absolutely no historical evidence that suggests that the person who early christians worshipped did not exist
The other thing you have to consider with the whole was Christ a real person thing is that to deny him not being real is like chalking up the entirety of Western civilization to myth. It'd be a huge blow to not just religious people but even those who are not, since we have all been inherently shaped by Christianity.Devosion
That's why it's such an important question to ask. Question Everything.
[QUOTE="Devosion"]The other thing you have to consider with the whole was Christ a real person thing is that to deny him not being real is like chalking up the entirety of Western civilization to myth. It'd be a huge blow to not just religious people but even those who are not, since we have all been inherently shaped by Christianity.espoac
That's why it's such an important question to ask. Question Everything.
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Devosion"]The other thing you have to consider with the whole was Christ a real person thing is that to deny him not being real is like chalking up the entirety of Western civilization to myth. It'd be a huge blow to not just religious people but even those who are not, since we have all been inherently shaped by Christianity.Devosion
That's why it's such an important question to ask. Question Everything.
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
not all of it was forged. most scholars would agree with me
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
Devosion
Actually historians don't agree with you...by the way, the Buddhist monk story is a myth.;)
[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Devosion"]The other thing you have to consider with the whole was Christ a real person thing is that to deny him not being real is like chalking up the entirety of Western civilization to myth. It'd be a huge blow to not just religious people but even those who are not, since we have all been inherently shaped by Christianity.mig_killer2
That's why it's such an important question to ask. Question Everything.
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
not all of it was forged. most scholars would agree with me
[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Devosion"]The other thing you have to consider with the whole was Christ a real person thing is that to deny him not being real is like chalking up the entirety of Western civilization to myth. It'd be a huge blow to not just religious people but even those who are not, since we have all been inherently shaped by Christianity.Devosion
That's why it's such an important question to ask. Question Everything.
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
not all of it was forged. most scholars would agree with me
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
LJS9502_basic
Actually historians don't agree with you...by the way, the Buddhist monk story is a myth.;)
Why? Because it supports allegations of Christ having not died on the cross?
When it comes down to it, its really not a big deal that our civilization be based upon myth. After all thats how all ancient civilizations reared themselves. It's just that nowadays we're so strict on logic and rational that even the most astute of people who claim atheism wouldnt dare go near such a disastrous question.
Oh and the question of Josephus writing about Christ is a proven forgery. You'd be more akin to finding historical evidence of Christ by Buddhists in India. Seriously.
Devosion
Actually historians don't agree with you...by the way, the Buddhist monk story is a myth.;)
Why? Because it supports allegations of Christ having not died on the cross?
maybe because there is not much evidence to back up that story;)
i mean seriously were not living in the 1600s or anything, i mean everything in the bible is so made up.
i suppose you still believe the earth is flat too.
religion was just used as an easy wa out explanation on how the universe started
and its also used to give false hope to everyone and waste there life praying at church or wherever
mig_killer2
so, what exactly gives you the right to insult us and our beliefs?This is off-topic but whatever. I think he should be able to say whatever he wants but what wolves did say isn't exactly the best way to enter into debate. This is coming from an Atheist who believes Christianity deserves absolutely no respect.
i mean seriously were not living in the 1600s or anything, i mean everything in the bible is so made up.
i suppose you still believe the earth is flat too.
religion was just used as an easy wa out explanation on how the universe started
and its also used to give false hope to everyone and waste there life praying at church or wherever
espoac
so, what exactly gives you the right to insult us and our beliefs?This is off-topic but whatever. I think he should be able to say whatever he wants but what wolves did say isn't exactly the best way to enter into debate. This is coming from an Atheist who believes Christianity deserves absolutely no respect. well, Im just saying that those insults were a little un-called-for
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