Was my former teacher(who was in the military) wrong for this behaviour.

My buisness teacher once told us about his days in the military, and one student asked if he was ever in a combat situation. He said yes, but when fighting he just fired rounds hoping to just hit the ground. He went on to say when he enlisted he did not think he had the heart to kill and would try to avoid it, hoping not to hit anyone when he fired in the enemies direction. He did not like being around the snipers, because he knew a few who had a tendency to claim body parts(fingers, ears, etc) of people they shot.

I understand where he was coming from, but he put his own men and objective in danger doing that. I can understand wishing to avoid fighting and not enjoying the violence, but when he enlisted he should of known what kind of responsibility this job holds.

and that is why he is no longer in the military

It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

Oh but he DID perform. He probably killed some poisonous scorpians or spiders pumping rounds into mother earth. Everyone does their part. Er... albeit some more different others considering your teacher happens to hate nature.

Well, if he willfully enlisted into the military, he should have done so preparing to take the lives of the opponent if necessary.

He should have done a different job. There are plenty of jobs in the military where you don't need a gun.

smc91352

When I joined the military, you didn't really have much of a choice. Of course that was 20 years ago.

It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

jus2nyce

He put his fellow soldiers at risk, I understand where he is coming from but still, how would he have felt if a missed shot had led to the death of another soldier?

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It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

needled24-7

Well, the recruiters I know wouldn't really tell the whole truth when getting someone to enlist.

Recruiter: Man, it's going to be great! We give free education, food, your living arrangements are great! I can even give you a choice of what you want to do. Pick three things and we'll get you signed up in no time doing what you love.

Innocent man: Ok, sounds good. I would like to be a radio operator, or computer technician, Oh how about fixing airplanes, that would be cool!

Recruiter: You got it man! What ever you want.

Innocent man: signs papers

1 year later

Innocent man: Holy S***! Run! C'mon you darn Gun! FIRE!!! Where in the hell are the planes I'm supposed to fix?!

:P

Well, if he willfully enlisted into the military, he should have done so preparing to take the lives of the opponent if necessary.

DJ-Lafleur

Some countries have (or had) compulsory military service, for like a year or so.

Like Britain.

Well, if he willfully enlisted into the military, he should have done so preparing to take the lives of the opponent if necessary.

DJ-Lafleur

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Well, if he willfully enlisted into the military, he should have done so preparing to take the lives of the opponent if necessary.

IbnLaAhad

Some countries have (or had) compulsory military service, for like a year or so.

Like Britain.

Yeah, but I'm guessing the TC's teacher willingly joined (I could be wrong though). If you are joining the military willingly, you should know that you will probably have to take the life of others.

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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Well, if he willfully enlisted into the military, he should have done so preparing to take the lives of the opponent if necessary.

DJ-Lafleur

Some countries have (or had) compulsory military service, for like a year or so.

Like Britain.

Yeah, but I'm guessing the TC's teacher willingly joined (I could be wrong though). If you are joining the military willingly, you should know that you will probably have to take the life of others.

Hmm... someday I will look at a military handbook, and get all this verified...

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It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

needled24-7

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[QUOTE="jus2nyce"]

It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

jus2nyce

Uhm if you willing to join the military then you have to accept the fact that you will have to kill so you wont put yourself or other comrades-in-arm in danger. Plus if he was in the army he should know the Soldier's Creed!

One of the Soldier's Creed said this: "I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America i close combat."

No he was NOT right and I am glad he's no longer in our armed forced. :?

If your not cut out to kill you shouldn't join.

It is good hearted of him not wanting to kill in that situation, but yeah your right, it does put others in danger.

Did he aim for the ground or only hope to hit the ground? That would be the difference in answering yes or no. theharlemshake

He said he was trying to hit the ground, hoping his bullets did not harm anyone.

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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Well, if he willfully enlisted into the military, he should have done so preparing to take the lives of the opponent if necessary.

DJ-Lafleur

Some countries have (or had) compulsory military service, for like a year or so.

Like Britain.

Yeah, but I'm guessing the TC's teacher willingly joined (I could be wrong though). If you are joining the military willingly, you should know that you will probably have to take the life of others.

When he enlisted the draft was over.

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[QUOTE="jus2nyce"]

It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

jus2nyce

Key word armed, the guns are not just for dancing around with in parades. Sadly that is what soldiers are trained to do and since he willingly enlisted that is something he should of pondered over.

[QUOTE="jus2nyce"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]wrong. at least not in this situation. he signed up to do a job, and he didn't do it.

Mercenary848

Key word armed, the guns are not just for dancing around with in parades. Sadly that is what soldiers are trained to do and since he willingly enlisted that is something he should of pondered over.

What idiot intentionally misses in combat? If you're that much of a ***** then at least choose a military occupation that doesn't put a gun in your hand.

I can certainly understand his mindset, but one does have to wonder why he enlisted in the first place, unless of course he enlisted thinking he wouldn't be deployed into conbat.

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[QUOTE="jus2nyce"] So you're saying when you enlist in the armed forces you must kill? Is that a prerequisite for being a 'good' solider?Pirate700

Key word armed, the guns are not just for dancing around with in parades. Sadly that is what soldiers are trained to do and since he willingly enlisted that is something he should of pondered over.

Well it still kind of sucks we live in a world where we have to kill each other;) , also he got stationed in Germany for towards the end of his duty. Luckly he is a better teacher then soldier.

[QUOTE="theharlemshake"]Did he aim for the ground or only hope to hit the ground? That would be the difference in answering yes or no. Mercenary848

He said he was trying to hit the ground, hoping his bullets did not harm anyone.

I think its some sort of teacher regulation that they have to tell their students that they did not kill anyone in combat while in the service. Even if they did. I had 3 teachers who were in Vietnam, 1 in the Korean War. and they all said they did not kill anyone. total BS.

Especially the one who was a gunner for a medivac chopper in Vietnam. Umm yeah I am pretty damn sure that if they seen the enemy chasing down the team they were sent to evacuate, as they usually did chase them down, then the gunner is definitly going to kill some vietcong.

[QUOTE="jus2nyce"]

It takes the better man not to fire his weapon and still walk out a fight

I think its some sort of teacher regulation that they have to tell their students that they did not kill anyone in combat while in the service. Even if they did. I had 3 teachers who were in Vietnam, 1 in the Korean War. and they all said they did not kill anyone. total BS.

Especially the one who was a gunner for a medivac chopper in Vietnam. Umm yeah I am pretty damn sure that if they seen the enemy chasing down the team they were sent to evacuate, as they usually did chase them down, then the gunner is definitly going to kill some vietcong.

SunofVich

I don't know in 9th grade one of my history teacher told me about his days as a member of a artillery team. Being a kid I franly asked him how many people he killed in Iraq. I did not expet an answer but he said three.

I have another teacher who was also a soldier, who was in Vietnam. I got to interview him, he never outright said it(I didn't feel right to ask) but he made it clear that he took lives. He was in tears though also.

I think its some sort of teacher regulation that they have to tell their students that they did not kill anyone in combat while in the service. Even if they did. I had 3 teachers who were in Vietnam, 1 in the Korean War. and they all said they did not kill anyone. total BS.

Especially the one who was a gunner for a medivac chopper in Vietnam. Umm yeah I am pretty damn sure that if they seen the enemy chasing down the team they were sent to evacuate, as they usually did chase them down, then the gunner is definitly going to kill some vietcong.

SunofVich

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I think its some sort of teacher regulation that they have to tell their students that they did not kill anyone in combat while in the service. Even if they did. I had 3 teachers who were in Vietnam, 1 in the Korean War. and they all said they did not kill anyone. total BS.

Especially the one who was a gunner for a medivac chopper in Vietnam. Umm yeah I am pretty damn sure that if they seen the enemy chasing down the team they were sent to evacuate, as they usually did chase them down, then the gunner is definitly going to kill some vietcong.

Mercenary848

I don't know in 9th grade one of my history teacher told me about his days as a member of a artillery team. Being a kid I franly asked him how many people he killed in Iraq. I did not expet an answer but he said three.

I have another teacher who was also a soldier, who was in Vietnam. I got to interview him, he never outright said it(I didn't feel right to ask) but he made it clear that he took lives. He was in tears though also.

as a person who has gone threw alittle bit of army life i can say that we sign a paper before you even go to basic training asking if you'd be able to shoot someone or if you'd morally object to it. If you say yes and you really mean no it can get you into alot of trouble not to mention it's irresponsible to the members of his unit not to help fight.

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

He should have done a different job. There are plenty of jobs in the military where you don't need a gun.

When I joined the military, you didn't really have much of a choice. Of course that was 20 years ago.

Case in point, would any of you want him in your squad??

There's a study that suggests that during WW2, only about 1/5th of the combatants would actually fire their weapons.

Case in point, would any of you want him in your squad??

Sparticus247