was the British empire evil ?

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

As evil as any other western nation...

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

deadeye012006

You stuck a lot of wrong in this post.

Britain wasn't the first country to outlaw slavery in Europe. That would be France. I believe they were the first to begin trading slaves to the Americas.

British Law is derived from Roman Law. What is this dribble about giving the world an education?

USA beat Germany in the Second World War. Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.

If those are the only cons you can think of, and are the basis of thinking Britain might be evil, you got some research to do.

I like the fact that many of the American Indians would flee English territory into Spanish territory. That should go a long way in explaining how nice the Brits were.

I think how they treated the Palestinians would be a better con.

[QUOTE="deadeye012006"]

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

cirthlanthelios

You stuck a lot of wrong in this post.

USA beat Germany in the Second World War. Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.

the US didnt win WW2, the Allies did.

Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.cirthlanthelios

Like you said, there were many positive aspects in that a great many countries were deeply unhappy when it was agreed to disassemble the empire. Smaller island nations and many african countries enjoyed much greater standard of living and booming economies. Having said that, more developed nations like India were treated horrendously. It's no good pointing out all the good you've done when that is countered by the likes of oppression.

Overall i'd say it was probably more bad then good. I wouldn't be happy being oppressed in exchange for law and order and education. Freedom and happiness comes first, which is obviously why the empire was eventually abandoned.

[QUOTE="deadeye012006"]

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

cirthlanthelios

You stuck a lot of wrong in this post.

Britain wasn't the first country to outlaw slavery in Europe. That would be France. I believe they were the first to begin trading slaves to the Americas.

British Law is derived from Roman Law. What is this dribble about giving the world an education?

USA beat Germany in the Second World War. Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.

If those are the only cons you can think of, and are the basis of thinking Britain might be evil, you got some research to do.

I like the fact that many of the American Indians would flee English territory into Spanish territory. That should go a long way in explaining how nice the Brits were.

I think how they treated the Palestinians would be a better con.

wow you have a serious chip on your shoulder how ever i think you will find i am right about the British ending slavery first Google it and you say America won the 2 world wars please pick up a history book because if the UK had lost the battle of Britain America would have lost the war to plus you are forgetting what churchill once said the British and the Americans fort hard in world war 2 but it was the soviet union that ripped the heart out of Nazi Germany ;)

[QUOTE="cirthlanthelios"]Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.SolidSnake35

Er no he's completely correct. Germany did not "lose" the first world war. They agreed to a ceasefire and were effectively ganged up on by Britain, America and France. The war was pretty much an endless stalemate which could have gone on for many more years. Germany was simply the first nation to decide it wasn't worth it any more, thus backing down. The German people were not expecting to be treated the way they were, hence why so many German soldiers rioted as as far as they were concerned they were fighting on and their superiors had abandoned them and forced them to go home to a country now being ravaged by the allies via the Treaty of Versailles.

[QUOTE="cirthlanthelios"][QUOTE="deadeye012006"]

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

clyde46

You stuck a lot of wrong in this post.

USA beat Germany in the Second World War. Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.

the US didnt win WW2, the Allies did.

I just thought id emphasise it.

You stuck a lot of wrong in this post.

Britain wasn't the first country to outlaw slavery in Europe. That would be France. I believe they were the first to begin trading slaves to the Americas.

British Law is derived from Roman Law. What is this dribble about giving the world an education?

USA beat Germany in the Second World War. Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.

If those are the only cons you can think of, and are the basis of thinking Britain might be evil, you got some research to do.

I like the fact that many of the American Indians would flee English territory into Spanish territory. That should go a long way in explaining how nice the Brits were.

I think how they treated the Palestinians would be a better con.

cirthlanthelios

That post is pretty much 90% false. :|

Yes France ended slavery first. Yes Germany didn't really lose the first world war. Everything is just pure incorrectness, if you ask me.

British Law derived from Roman Law? :|

USA beat Germany in WW2? :|

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="cirthlanthelios"]Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.Ninja-Hippo

Er no he's completely correct. Germany did not "lose" the first world war. They agreed to a ceasefire and were effectively ganged up on by Britain, America and France. The war was pretty much an endless stalemate which could have gone on for many more years. Germany was simply the first nation to decide it wasn't worth it any more, thus backing down. The German people were not expecting to be treated the way they were, hence why so many German soldiers rioted as as far as they were concerned they were fighting on and their superiors had abandoned them and forced them to go home to a country now being ravaged by the allies via the Treaty of Versailles.

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wow you have a serious chip on your shoulder how ever i think you will find i am right about the British ending slavery first Google it and you say America won the 2 world wars please pick up a history book because if the UK had lost the battle of Britain America would have lost the war to plus you are forgetting what churchill once said the British and the Americans fort hard in world war 2 but it was the soviet union that ripped the heart out of Nazi Germany ;)

deadeye012006

No it was indeed France which abolished slavery first, although Napolean revived it. Britain was the first to pass an act into law abolishing it however, if that's what you're talking about.

As for "USA beat germany..." - well, that's one of the worst examples of completely incorrect beliefs held by so very many people. I dont understand where it comes from, though i'd have to guess hollywood movies.

[QUOTE="cirthlanthelios"]

You stuck a lot of wrong in this post.

Britain wasn't the first country to outlaw slavery in Europe. That would be France. I believe they were the first to begin trading slaves to the Americas.

British Law is derived from Roman Law. What is this dribble about giving the world an education?

USA beat Germany in the Second World War. Germany didn't lose the First World War, pretty much one of the major reasons there was a Second World War.

If those are the only cons you can think of, and are the basis of thinking Britain might be evil, you got some research to do.

I like the fact that many of the American Indians would flee English territory into Spanish territory. That should go a long way in explaining how nice the Brits were.

I think how they treated the Palestinians would be a better con.

Ninja-Hippo

That post is pretty much 90% false. :|

Yes France ended slavery first. Yes Germany didn't really lose the first world war. Everything is just pure incorrectness, if you ask me.

British Law derived from Roman Law? :|

USA beat Germany in WW2? :|

When did the USA fight World War II single handedly i'm pretty sure that Britian france and a few other nations were also fighting agaist the axis at that point.

We wern't evil it was the times we have moved on from there we apolgised about the slavery thing when we shouldn't.

We did a lot of good it was when we were the top superpower and we did a lot of good unlike you yanks with George W Gump as president.

That's losing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm right in saying Germany might not have existed if France had got her way. His post seemed to imply that we didn't crush Germany enough and that's why they fought again in WW2. My point is that the harsh treatment led to WW2.SolidSnake35

No offense but he's pretty much entirely correct. The stuff about "USA won WW2" is obviously false, but Germany did not lose the first world war. And no, it could not have been destroyed by France. You're thinking of WW2. France wanted Germany to be pretty much annihilated as a nation but the big three were very, very keen to prevent that as that's how WW2 happened in the first place. Hence why Germany became an extremely prosperous nation after WW2, not including the soviet territories obviously.

As for WW1; Germany did not lose. Like i said the war was going nowhere. It was a stalemate. They agreed to a ceasefire and withdrew their troops thinking there would be some mutual agreement and there was not. They were ganged up on by America, the UK and France and effectively found themselves with no choice but to sign a Treaty which crippled their nation.

Again; that's why so many German troops were so angry. That's why Kaiser Wilhelm had to flee the country. The nation's superior's effectively sold the entire nation down the river because they weren't decisive enough to argue against the Treaty of Versais. Hitler later blamed all that on the Jews. And we know what happened there.

When did the USA fight World War II single handedly i'm pretty sure that Britian france and a few other nations were also fighting agaist the axis at that point.

We wern't evil it was the times we have moved on from there we apolgised about the slavery thing when we shouldn't.

We did a lot of good it was when we were the top superpower and we did a lot of good unlike you yanks with George W Gump as president.

Poshkidney

That is just so very, very wrong. How can you possibly say we shouldn't apologise for slavery? :? Think about how epic an injustice that was to so many people. Think of all the families ripped apart to go and work in american plantations, or in british ship yards. It was wrong on so many levels and you cant possibly say "it was just the times."

Slavery itself is arguably what triggered a revolution in scientific advancement and western prosperity. American and Britian were rich as hell. But would you honestly put prosperity above simple freedom and happiness? There's a reason both the US and UK have laws protecting your rights. It's to stop things just like that; money and social advancement being prioritised over your personal happiness and freedom.

EDIT: i just saw the "you yanks!" line. Casual racism for the lose.

[QUOTE="deadeye012006"][

wow you have a serious chip on your shoulder how ever i think you will find i am right about the British ending slavery first Google it and you say America won the 2 world wars please pick up a history book because if the UK had lost the battle of Britain America would have lost the war to plus you are forgetting what churchill once said the British and the Americans fort hard in world war 2 but it was the soviet union that ripped the heart out of Nazi Germany ;)

Ninja-Hippo

No it was indeed France which abolished slavery first, although Napolean revived it. Britain was the first to pass an act into law abolishing it however, if that's what you're talking about.

As for "USA beat germany..." - well, that's one of the worst examples of completely incorrect beliefs held by so very many people. I dont understand where it comes from, though i'd have to guess hollywood movies.

ill agree with your post hes probably like 12 years old and has watched to much saving private Ryan :lol:

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] That's losing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm right in saying Germany might not have existed if France had got her way. His post seemed to imply that we didn't crush Germany enough and that's why they fought again in WW2. My point is that the harsh treatment led to WW2.Ninja-Hippo

No offense but he's pretty much entirely correct. The stuff about "USA won WW2" is obviously false, but Germany did not lose the first world war. And no, it could not have been destroyed by France. You're thinking of WW2. France wanted Germany to be pretty much annihilated as a nation but the big three were very, very keen to prevent that as that's how WW2 happened in the first place. Hence why Germany became an extremely prosperous nation after WW2, not including the soviet territories obviously.

As for WW1; Germany did not lose. Like i said the war was going nowhere. It was a stalemate. They agreed to a ceasefire and withdrew their troops thinking there would be some mutual agreement and there was not. They were ganged up on by America, the UK and France and effectively found themselves with no choice but to sign a Treaty which crippled their nation.

Again; that's why so many German troops were so angry. That's why Kaiser Wilhelm had to flee the country. The nation's superior's effectively sold the entire nation down the river because they weren't decisive enough to argue against the Treaty of Versais. Hitler later blamed all that on the Jews. And we know what happened there.

EDIT: i just saw the "you yanks!" line. Casual racism for the lose.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] That's losing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm right in saying Germany might not have existed if France had got her way. His post seemed to imply that we didn't crush Germany enough and that's why they fought again in WW2. My point is that the harsh treatment led to WW2.SolidSnake35

No offense but he's pretty much entirely correct. The stuff about "USA won WW2" is obviously false, but Germany did not lose the first world war. And no, it could not have been destroyed by France. You're thinking of WW2. France wanted Germany to be pretty much annihilated as a nation but the big three were very, very keen to prevent that as that's how WW2 happened in the first place. Hence why Germany became an extremely prosperous nation after WW2, not including the soviet territories obviously.

As for WW1; Germany did not lose. Like i said the war was going nowhere. It was a stalemate. They agreed to a ceasefire and withdrew their troops thinking there would be some mutual agreement and there was not. They were ganged up on by America, the UK and France and effectively found themselves with no choice but to sign a Treaty which crippled their nation.

Again; that's why so many German troops were so angry. That's why Kaiser Wilhelm had to flee the country. The nation's superior's effectively sold the entire nation down the river because they weren't decisive enough to argue against the Treaty of Versais. Hitler later blamed all that on the Jews. And we know what happened there.

the french really bullied germany after WW1 they thought they were a bigger power than what they actually were but what the french didn't tell anyone is that during WW1 they were basically begging the British for more and more military industrial aid without British money France would have been screwed from the start they had a military industry of a local McDonald's franchise compared to the UK GERMANY & AMERICA ;)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]EDIT: i just saw the "you yanks!" line. Casual racism for the lose.SolidSnake35

It's not so much the term "yank" but rather his entire comment. You cant read that and then say he wasn't being offensive towards americans.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]EDIT: i just saw the "you yanks!" line. Casual racism for the lose.Ninja-Hippo

It's not so much the term "yank" but rather his entire comment. You cant read that and then say he wasn't being offensive towards americans.

Oh no doubt, I was just wondering about that particular term. I thought it was often used in a friendly way usually.SolidSnake35

To be honest i thought so too, but then the security guard at the airport in new england once yelled at me for using the word "yank", and went on some rant about how it's a term used to describe old southern civil war supporters which many americans found deeply offensive. I wasn't sure if he was ranting about nothing or if it's actually true. Either way, i avoid the word now. :P

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Oh no doubt, I was just wondering about that particular term. I thought it was often used in a friendly way usually.Ninja-Hippo

To be honest i thought so too, but then the security guard at the airport in new england once yelled at me for using the word "yank", and went on some rant about how it's a term used to describe old southern civil war supporters which many americans found deeply offensive. I wasn't sure if he was ranting about nothing or if it's actually true. Either way, i avoid the word now. :P

I think that if the British Empire was still around today AND political correctness and human rights were still what they are today then the British Empire could have brought a lot of good to this world and we would be a lot closer to uniting the world as one people rather than as many different countries, as for the problems that it caused, nothing is black and white, every group that is "good" has done many wrong things in the past even christians who persecuted pagans and led a war on the holy land which has left many feeling its sting even today.hagadorn

Yeah but that's pretty much the same as saying if slavery still existed today, only we had laws and things saying it was bad, everything would be fine. You cant oppress a nation in a politically correct manner. It's impossible. Either they accept your rule and welcome it, or they dont, at which point you must either force it on them, or leave. Regardless of whatever good the british empire was doing, there were countries which prefered to go it alone; and there's no way to prevent that other than oppressing those people and forcing your rule upon them against their will. You cant do that while taking human rights into account. So while your hypothetical empire is interesting, it's one which could never exist.

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

deadeye012006

You missed just about everything important except for that and most important past.

Since I'm not American, and currently living in the commonwealth, I'm going to have to say that the British empire was the best thing in history, getting rid of the bushes was the best move

EVAR

[QUOTE="deadeye012006"]

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

RKfromDownunder

You missed just about everything important except for that and most important past.

Since I'm not American, and currently living in the commonwealth, I'm going to have to say that the British empire was the best thing in history, getting rid of the bushes was the best move

EVAR

what part of the commonwealth are you from ? yeah that was a stroke of luck getting rid of the bushes :lol:

at the height of its power the British empire ruled over 25% of the worlds land making it the largest empire in history and is the only other country next to the USA & RUSSIAN to have ever been a superpower .

PROS

the first country to end slavery

invented a lot of the products today that we take for granted

give the world law and an education system

one of the central powers that defeated Germany in 2 world wars

CONS

they may have been the first to end it but fact still remains they used slavery a lot more than any other country

they sent there convicts to wipe out the Aborigines in australia

when India Ros up against them they cut there food and water supple and starved millions of people in India

they give the Jewish the state of Israel look at the mess out there now

George bushes family immigrated from england to the USA

deadeye012006

Totally depends what king they had. Like King Arthur he'll never do that.

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