We all hate terrorists right?...

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

wado-karate

I don't have much sympathy for you either.Neon-Tiger

I'm on Israel's side, and I agree with most of what you say, but even I'll say I'm pretty much sure a lot of Palestinians don't choose to hide Hamas; they are forced to. If you ask me, if Hamas was gone they'd be living much better lives, and the borders could open up again. But seriously guys, you honestly think Israel's aim is to kill civilians? Hamas is who they're after, and that "civilian infastructure" is unfortunately often where they have their weapons and tunnels and whatnot, because they ARE cowards that hide among their people.

Whether or not Hamas was democratically elected is not the point, it's what they do to their people that counts.

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

helium_flash

o no biggie just a few civilians... bahh whoo needs am i right! :roll:

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

wado-karate

Yeah, really, wtf? I fail to see where you are getting this from, helium...

And theeeen?

The world isn't upset about the killing of terrorists, they're upset by the killing of civilians... that shouldn't come as a surprise.Hungry_bunny

[QUOTE="wado-karate"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

chessmaster1989

Yeah, really, wtf? I fail to see where you are getting this from, helium...

Hmm, I assume you support the way the Nazis dealed with the Polish uprisings too then, since they were just defending the reich against terrorists.jointed

I'm on Israel's side, and I agree with most of what you say, but even I'll say I'm pretty much sure a lot of Palestinians don't choose to hide Hamas; they are forced to. If you ask me, if Hamas was gone they'd be living much better lives, and the borders could open up again. But seriously guys, you honestly think Israel's aim is to kill civilians? Hamas is who they're after, and that "civilian infastructure" is unfortunately often where they have their weapons and tunnels and whatnot, because they ARE cowards that hide among their people.

Whether or not Hamas was democratically elected is not the point, it's what they do to their people that counts.

Yosemine

I have to admit, I'm into to all that self-defense and freedom stuff, thus I support Israel in attacking their attackers. It is regrettable though that the nature of terrorism necessitates civilian casualties, but if the Israelies don't bite the bullet and accept some collateral damage than the Hamas will keep killing the Israeli civilians. At least the Israelis don't have civilian casualties as the end goal.GIJames248

[QUOTE="jointed"]Hmm, I assume you support the way the Nazis dealed with the Polish uprisings too then, since they were just defending the reich against terrorists.helium_flash

[QUOTE="jointed"]Hmm, I assume you support the way the Nazis dealed with the Polish uprisings too then, since they were just defending the reich against terrorists.helium_flash

I think he was actually comparing Hamas or whatever it's called to the Polish uprising.

For the reason of pointing out the differences between them even though both parties were considered terrorists.

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]I have to admit, I'm into to all that self-defense and freedom stuff, thus I support Israel in attacking their attackers. It is regrettable though that the nature of terrorism necessitates civilian casualties, but if the Israelies don't bite the bullet and accept some collateral damage than the Hamas will keep killing the Israeli civilians. At least the Israelis don't have civilian casualties as the end goal.killtactics

Considering the Israelis have been sustaining continued rocket attacks and suicide bombings against civilian targets, but the most of the world still gets furious when they fight back I would say they just have to accept the political heat (and the cost of a war) and "bite the bullet" and defend their nation. Obviously you disagree; I would like to hear you view on why they shouldn't attack the Hamas.

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="GIJames248"]I have to admit, I'm into to all that self-defense and freedom stuff, thus I support Israel in attacking their attackers. It is regrettable though that the nature of terrorism necessitates civilian casualties, but if the Israelies don't bite the bullet and accept some collateral damage than the Hamas will keep killing the Israeli civilians. At least the Israelis don't have civilian casualties as the end goal.GIJames248

Considering the Israelis have been sustaining continued rocket attacks and suicide bombings against civilian targets, but the most of the world still gets furious when they fight back I would say they just have to accept the political heat (and the cost of a war) and "bite the bullet" and defend their nation. Obviously you disagree; I would like to hear you view on why they shouldn't attack the Hamas.

this pic is pretty good at explaining things.

[QUOTE="jointed"]Hmm, I assume you support the way the Nazis dealed with the Polish uprisings too then, since they were just defending the reich against terrorists.helium_flash

Funny to see the Jews crawling under WWII incidents, but when it comes to face the nature of their actions, they just state it was impossible to do other ways.

The problem is with proportionality.

Example: There's one tank in a town of about 2,000 people. The people of the town are innocent civillians, but the tank belongs to the enemy. Would you bomb the town and kill innocent people to get one tank?

Israel's situation is worse because there are no clear cut answers between civillians and enemies since they hide within the population. For all we know, Israel could be killing many more civillians than they are members of Hamas. To make things even more difficult, the innocents who see their families die become angry at Israel and can possibly join Hamas' cause. When all is said and done, Israel is making more enemies than it is friends by using such a blunt method of going after Hamas.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="GIJames248"]I have to admit, I'm into to all that self-defense and freedom stuff, thus I support Israel in attacking their attackers. It is regrettable though that the nature of terrorism necessitates civilian casualties, but if the Israelies don't bite the bullet and accept some collateral damage than the Hamas will keep killing the Israeli civilians. At least the Israelis don't have civilian casualties as the end goal.GIJames248

Considering the Israelis have been sustaining continued rocket attacks and suicide bombings against civilian targets, but the most of the world still gets furious when they fight back I would say they just have to accept the political heat (and the cost of a war) and "bite the bullet" and defend their nation. Obviously you disagree; I would like to hear you view on why they shouldn't attack the Hamas.

I never said israel shouldn't be able to defend its self, but this goes far beyond defence.... Also israel is tauting the terrorist with its tactics, which include: building illegal settlements, enforcing a blockade stopping food and medicine and a general occupation. In short israel has set up a ghetto for the Palestinians...

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]The world isn't upset about the killing of terrorists, they're upset by the killing of civilians... that shouldn't come as a surprise.helium_flash

I have a strong dislike for Hamas, their existence isn't benefiting anyone. But incidents like this makes it very hard for me to voice any kind of support for Israel.

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"]israel gets to "accept" collateral damage for the Palestinians? how convenient.... By the way i dont think you understand the saying "bite the bullet", because it is not the isralies in pain....killtactics

Considering the Israelis have been sustaining continued rocket attacks and suicide bombings against civilian targets, but the most of the world still gets furious when they fight back I would say they just have to accept the political heat (and the cost of a war) and "bite the bullet" and defend their nation. Obviously you disagree; I would like to hear you view on why they shouldn't attack the Hamas.

I never said israel shouldn't be able to defend its self, but this goes far beyond defence.... Also israel is tauting the terrorist with its tactics, which include: building illegal settlements, enforcing a blockade stopping food and medicine and a general occupation. In short israel has set up a ghetto for the Palestinians...

I will admit, Europe (or at least significany portions of it) did side with Israel on this last attack (considering that the Hamas were firing rockets at Israel and all that during a cease fire negotiated by us and the EU earlier on). But in most of the prior attacks Israel has rarely been free of criticism on even the fundemental justice of their self defense (I understand you lamenting the civilian casualities on both sides). Also America politically has been more pro-Israeli than most countries, but our media peristiantly side with the "freedom fighters".

Their have been drastic moves in the Western World to right the wrongs of empiralism and such by returning colonies and prior historical homelands and such to their original people; the success of this is not the question here. The question is why in the world did we not give all of Israel's historical land back to them and instead gave half of it to Muslims who took it over after the collapse of the Roman Empire and who hate the Israelis with a genocidal passion? I cannot help but wish the Israelis luck in taking back their homeland after the British and UN screwed them over by leaving them in the middle of half a dozen hostile nations and with a divided populace.

And theeeen?

ElZilcho90

i just want some chicken lo mein NOTHING ELSE! there is no and then!

[QUOTE="wado-karate"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Hamas is a terrorist group right? They hide behind civilians firing rockets into Israel, so they are terrorists.

Right now, the US and Britain are fighting terrorists. We are using and spending a great amount of resources on fighting these guys in the middle east.

So now that Israel is going to go and kill a few of their own terrorists, everyone gets mad at them? HELLO?! THEY kill America-hating terrorists, not us. We don't lose any soldiers over there. They are practically mercenaries for us. This is a win-win situation!

Yes, civilians die, but if you willingly choose to hide terrorists, I don't have too much sympathy for you.

helium_flash

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="jointed"]Hmm, I assume you support the way the Nazis dealed with the Polish uprisings too then, since they were just defending the reich against terrorists.jointed

Though I am unfamiliar with the situation in Israel I find this to be a very simplistic reasoning for choosing sides.vlin1108

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]Though I am unfamiliar with the situation in Israel I find this to be a very simplistic reasoning for choosing sides.helium_flash

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]Though I am unfamiliar with the situation in Israel I find this to be a very simplistic reasoning for choosing sides.jointed

A terrorist is usually defined as a group that offensively attacks another country, Hamas are more like freedom fighters or paramilitary markop2003

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]THe enemy of Israel is the same enemy of the US. From what I can tell, what Israel is doing is making me safer. How's that?helium_flash

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="jointed"] Okay, explain how they're making you safer by bombing a quarantined zone filled with civilians.jointed

Plus, are you trying to call me a Nazi? I am not obliged to feel sorry for the Palestinian civilians.