We Are All Born Atheist

Atheism is the Default Condition:

The term atheism is composed of a prefix (a: without)and a root (theism: belief in gods).Hence, an atheist is literally one who is without belief in god(s). It does not necessarily imply a conscious opposition to belief in god(s). Hence, all one needs is a lack of belief in god(s) in order to be an atheist. As we are all born without belief in god(s), irrespective of our ability to understand the concept, we are atheists by birth. Hence, atheism is the default condition. Theism, on the other hand, requires one to become convinced that there is a god. Hence, it is NOT the default condition. Now, an atheist can be consciously aware of the concept of god and be against it, but they are not required to be so in order to be an atheist. Whether an atheist is consciously aware of the concept or not, he is an atheist so as long as he is without belief.

It is illogical to hold Atheists responsible for not being convinced:

As we are all naturally predisposed to be without belief in god, an atheist is not required to prove anything. An atheist is not a claimant. Hence, he/ she is not required to oppose the position that there is a god. He/ she may choose to do so, but does not have to. Prior to becoming aware of a particular concept or idea, one is not required to oppose it, even though they are without belief in that particular concept. If one were to claim that there is an invisible creature standing on my left shoulder, I would not be required to prove them wrong because I would be without belief in that claim by default. I may choose to argue against that claim, but I am not required.

Do you agree or disagree?

So you are basically talking about burden of proof here? I've always been one to say, if you feel strongly enough about it disprove the other person regardless of them making the claim.

Completely agree.

True.

Ok, but I don't really care.

By birth? Babies at that age are incapable of that kind of abstract thinking. Simply put they have no opinion, because their brain cannot comprehend the idea of being created.

It takes effort and logic to conclude evolution. I'd imagine the very first idea about evolution came after years of studying the environment.

I mean think about it, if you're the first batch of "humans" you don't think about being created, you're just there to survive. It probably took a long time for our civilization to start thinking about where they came from.

If anything the idea of an almighty god came first because it's such a simple conclusion.

Don't agree. According to my Islamic faith we are born Muslims (In nature). Then we either change or stay the same. Also, if this is the default state, I wonder why would someone come up with stuff like Islam and Judaism.GazaAli

I was born Asatru and I'll die Asatru!!

That means ill go down swinging!!

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Don't agree. According to my Islamic faith we are born Muslims (In nature). Then we either change or stay the same. Also, if this is the default state, I wonder why would someone come up with stuff like Islam and Judaism.xTheExploited

Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.krazy-blazer

I strongly disagree. We are all born neutral and as we get older and learn we learn one way or the other. When we are born, we don't not believe in god or believe in him because we don't know anything.

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.SkyWard20

Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.krazy-blazer

Don't agree. According to my Islamic faith we are born Muslims (In nature). Then we either change or stay the same. Also, if this is the default state, I wonder why would someone come up with stuff like Islam and Judaism.GazaAli

How can we be born Muslim if we are incapable of even understanding the concept of Islam at birth? A newborn child knows absolutely nothing about anything. As for your second statement in which you question atheism as the default state because someone came upwith "stuff like Islam and Judaism", it answers itself. Pay attention to your use of the term come up. One would not need to come up with something if it exists by default. The reason why someone came up with Judaism and Islam is because they became convinced that it was the truth. However, they were not convinced by default. They were without belief by default.

Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.krazy-blazer

No, it's purely objective. Answer the following question honestly. If someone were born and grew up completely on their own without any other people, would they be a practicing Muslim even though there is no one else to teach them anything about Islam? How would they know about Islam?

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Don't agree. According to my Islamic faith we are born Muslims (In nature). Then we either change or stay the same. Also, if this is the default state, I wonder why would someone come up with stuff like Islam and Judaism.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Don't agree. According to my Islamic faith we are born Muslims (In nature). Then we either change or stay the same. Also, if this is the default state, I wonder why would someone come up with stuff like Islam and Judaism.BluRayHiDef

How can we be born Muslim if we are incapable of even understanding the concept of Islam at birth? A newborn child knows absolutely nothing about anything. As for your second statement in which you question atheism as the default state because someone came upwith "stuff like Islam and Judaism", it answers itself. Pay attention to your use of the term come up. One would not need to come up with something if it exists by default. The reason why someone came up with Judaism and Islam is because they became convinced that it was the truth. However, they were not convinced by default. They were without belief by default.

We are not born atheist's either. as babies we have a hard time understanding basic shapes let alone contemplating the origin of the universe. We are born neutral as pirate said.feel_freetwo

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]We are not born atheist's either. as babies we have a hard time understanding basic shapes let alone contemplating the origin of the universe. We are born neutral as pirate said.Pirate700

Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.krazy-blazer

I strongly disagree. We are all born neutral and as we get older and learn we learn one way or the other. When we are born, we don't not believe in god or believe in him because we don't know anything.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]We are not born atheist's either. as babies we have a hard time understanding basic shapes let alone contemplating the origin of the universe. We are born neutral as pirate said.Pirate700

Subjective. For example in Islam, we believe everyone is a Muslim at birth. and then they become atheists/Jewish/Christian.krazy-blazer

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Don't agree. According to my Islamic faith we are born Muslims (In nature). Then we either change or stay the same. Also, if this is the default state, I wonder why would someone come up with stuff like Islam and Judaism.GazaAli

How can we be born Muslim if we are incapable of even understanding the concept of Islam at birth? A newborn child knows absolutely nothing about anything. As for your second statement in which you question atheism as the default state because someone came upwith "stuff like Islam and Judaism", it answers itself. Pay attention to your use of the term come up. One would not need to come up with something if it exists by default. The reason why someone came up with Judaism and Islam is because they became convinced that it was the truth. However, they were not convinced by default. They were without belief by default.

Bullocks. As I've said, a child knows absolutely nothing about anything. Hence, it is impossible for them to be Muslim by birth. How can one submit to Allah if they are incapable of even understanding what Allah is? Your argument makes no sense. A new born child is a clean slate; completely void. Void of belief, void of disbelief. He is without...anything (including belief in Allah).

No it is not

Babys are born in a near fetus state compared to many animals . They barely even know they are alive let alone can think of there being a god or not .

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]We are not born atheist's either. as babies we have a hard time understanding basic shapes let alone contemplating the origin of the universe. We are born neutral as pirate said.xTheExploited

Actually no that's not the Idea of people being Muslims at birth.krazy-blazer

So you used etymology to determine the meaning?

Learn why you shouldnt do that.

Atheism is a belief. It is the belief that god does not exist. As a baby you have no opinions. Babies can't not believe in something they don't know about or when they don't even have beliefs.

Pirate700

True, atheism is a belief, how can you not believe in God before you even know about him? This thread has been dealt a harsh blow TC!

Ok since you people are not understanding what we mean I'll explain it. We believe that before puberty, you are a Muslim by default, you are not required even to have faith. After puberty, if you adhered another religion or do not believe in God, and do not follow Islam then you are not a Muslim.

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly. Atheism is a belief just as being religious is. Nobody is born atheist or as a believer.

Pirate700

Source:

As commonly understood, atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. So an atheist is someone who disbelieves in God, whereas a theist is someone who believes in God.Another meaning of "atheism" is simply nonbelief in the existence of God, rather than positive belief in the nonexistence of God. …an atheist, in the broader sense of the term, is someone who disbelieves in every form of deity, not just the God of traditional Western theology.Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly. Atheism is a belief just as being religious is. Nobody is born atheist or as a believer.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly. Atheism is a belief just as being religious is. Nobody is born atheist or as a believer.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly. Atheism is a belief just as being religious is. Nobody is born atheist or as a believer.

Pirate700

this ^

[quote="Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy"]As commonly understood, atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. So an atheist is someone who disbelieves in God, whereas a theist is someone who believes in God.Another meaning of "atheism" is simply nonbelief in the existence of God, rather than positive belief in the nonexistence of God. …an atheist, in the broader sense of the term, is someone who disbelieves in every form of deity, not just the God of traditional Western theology.BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[quote="Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy"]As commonly understood, atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. So an atheist is someone who disbelieves in God, whereas a theist is someone who believes in God.Another meaning of "atheism" is simply nonbelief in the existence of God, rather than positive belief in the nonexistence of God. …an atheist, in the broader sense of the term, is someone who disbelieves in every form of deity, not just the God of traditional Western theology.Teenaged

What is your point? This is a philosophical matter.