Western hypocrisy exposed once again

Back in the day Wikileaks and Bradley Manning were condemned for being a rogue, traitorous and dangerous news outlet and soldier. This was done mainly by the US but also by many other governments while the US and western governments congratulated chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo for being a good rogue, traitorous and dangerous person for the chinese government.

Some time later the western governments were thrillled with the "social media revolutions" going in arab countries. For them social media was giving people the chance to come together and rise against their opressive governments and take matters into their own hands. They highly condemned the blocking of the internet or social networks done by these governments. Now fastforward to England today with all those riots that undoubtely demonstrate many people are not very happy with their government and these are the measures taken by the English government:

1. Police will be given discretion to remove face masks from people on the street.

2. The government would work with the police to stop people communicating via social websites.

3. The army could be used for guarding duties.

4. Last but not least: Curfew!

So yeah of course, as always, what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

I still find it ridiculous that the english government is trying to make us think these people are all just thugs and thieves while ignoring the real issues underneath the discontent.

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

And if they really want to show the government they are displeased, they're doing it in a very counterproductive manor.

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

Chutebox

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

yes because protesting the end to a ruthless leader is the same as the government trying to stop violent rioters from destroying private businesses and indiscriminately stealing and looting. :roll:

if anything the british government was too easy on them.

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

And if they really want to show the government they are displeased, they're doing it in a very counterproductive manor.

Chutebox

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

Blaze787

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

kuraimen

Get educated, and go for a profession that's in demand instead of dealing crack, committing gun violence, and generally being a cancer on society.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Blaze787"]

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

Blaze787

Get educated, and go for a profession that's in demand instead of dealing crack, committing gun violence, and generally being a cancer on society.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

And if they really want to show the government they are displeased, they're doing it in a very counterproductive manor.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

And if they really want to show the government they are displeased, they're doing it in a very counterproductive manor.

sonicare

It's easy to blame the government for everything. A lot of people are simply the product of the choices they make. The government can't force you to sit in school and shove knowledge down your throat. If anything, parents need to be more responsible for what their children do. Unfortunately, many in those communities are not. It's quite shameful when people blame their problems on the rest of the world, and use that as an excuse for sociopathic behaviour.

Did you seriously just compare the London rioters and looters to Liu Xiaobo?

It's easy to blame the government for everything. A lot of people are simply the product of the choices they make. The government can't force you to sit in school and shove knowledge down your throat. If anything, parents need to be more responsible for what their children do. Unfortunately, many in those communities are not. It's quite shameful when people blame their problems on the rest of the world, and use that as an excuse for sociopathic behaviour.

Blaze787

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] How can it be their own fault only that the system can't even give them jobs? The same is happening in Spain by the way.kuraimen

Get educated, and go for a profession that's in demand instead of dealing crack, committing gun violence, and generally being a cancer on society.

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

kuraimen

Because it's not the systems responsibillty to employ people?

This just seems like a messy blob rather than an argument...

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No doubt there are thugs and thieves among them but so were among arab uprisers and western governments were still complimenting them!

kuraimen

So yeah of course, as always, what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

kuraimen

The West generally approves of Britain's government, whereas we often have ideological differences with regimes in the Arab world.

Was there anyone here who was unaware of this?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

So yeah of course, as always, what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

Palantas

The West generally approves of Britain's government, whereas we often have ideological differences with regimes in the Arab world.

Was there anyone here who was unaware of this?

i also dont mind the smell of my farts but yours are disgusting. surrealnumber5

Heh.

You look different. Did you change your picture?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i also dont mind the smell of my farts but yours are disgusting. Palantas

Heh.

You look different. Did you change your picture?

every now and then, stalter and waldorf have been gone for about two months now.surrealnumber5

So have I. It's so confusing when people change their pictures.

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

Chutebox

Yeah, pretty much

-Yawn.-

They are just thugs.

It's easy to blame the government for everything. A lot of people are simply the product of the choices they make. The government can't force you to sit in school and shove knowledge down your throat. If anything, parents need to be more responsible for what their children do. Unfortunately, many in those communities are not. It's quite shameful when people blame their problems on the rest of the world, and use that as an excuse for sociopathic behaviour.

Blaze787

I pretty much agree with this. If you screw around in school and end up as a bum it's your own fault, why blame it on people who actually worked hard to earn the lives that they have?

What is the purpose of the English riots?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

Iantheone

Yeah, pretty much

Haha, such an awesome vid.

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sonicare"] I dont think the western press was complimenting the thugs and thieves amongst the arabs.

sonicare

Yes there's a political cause. Many are protesting the current policies from the government that are cutting local services, specially youth services. There's is also a much bigger political issue underneath and that's social inequality. The most unequal society gets more people will become fed up. Ignoring those issues and dismissing them all as the actions of thugs and thieves is not only unrealistic but also dangerous.

Now I also think there are many thugs and thieves that just want to create havoc but that's just a violent reaction to a system that is violent for many, you won't see much rationality going on there but the political and economical sources can be understood.

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

Blaze787

:| Well that is a load of crap if I ever saw one.. This isn't condoning or defending the riots or the actions that occured there.. But they are usuaully always caused by civil unrest.. Something that can have many causes from government, social issues, to economic problems..

I didn't feel like creating a new thread so just going to post this here since the first paragraph in this article pretty much sumarizes what I was talking about here.

Britain's Riots: A Grim Portent of the Consequences of Europe's Economic Crisis?

To reduce the riots that have shaken Britain this week to nothing more than criminal wickedness, as Prime Minister David Cameron and his cohort tend to do, is a dangerous exercise in denial. And it barely survives the most cursory scrutiny: Thousands of people don't suddenly take to the streets to manifest wickedness as if in response to the appearance of Lord Voldemort's Deatheater sigil on their Blackberries, without any context; criminality -- which the actions of the rioters certainly are, with no mitigating features or excuses -- on the massive scale seen in London this week is indicative of a social crisis. And to dismiss as apologists for thuggery those who seek explanations in the state of society for a mass outbreak of criminality is a self-serving, self-deluding evasion by those in power. When so many young people have been so willing to break the laws that maintain order and protect property rights, it doesn't require a Marcellus to point out that there's something rotten in the state of Britain.

Cameron has lost all legitimacy as a leader.

Why hasn't the international community stepped in to impose a no-fly zone to prevent the tyrant from using police helicopters to oppress his people?

Why haven't the Houses of Parliament been bombed yet?

Why hasn't Sarkozy air-dropped weapons for the rioters?

Why isn't NATO (minus Britain) providing close air support for the rioters?

While I don't think the riots in London and the riots/protests in arab countries are really the same, the Arab protests were for a political change while the London riots are just a bunch of angry people smashing stuff. I agree with your point about wikileaks and the Chinese guys who leaked information though. We like to claim how open and free we are here, but when ever someone exposes some "uncomfortable" truths about our nation, we call them a traitor.

Problem with your thought. The Britain rioters are criminals using a very flimsy excuse to loot and burn.

Problem with your thought. The Britain rioters are criminals using a very flimsy excuse to loot and burn.

789shadow

China's government is very oppressive and so it is right for democratic nations to condemn china and support Liu Xiaobo. The Arab Spring was the result of the middle east rebelling against dictators and wanting free speech. The London Riots were just oppurtunists wanting stuff and looting. It is an insult to the rebels who fought for democracy to associate them with the London Rioters. Do you even live in London? I can assure you everyone hates the rioters and hope they get hell and more. The police will only authorize them to block social media in extreme public disorder. I.e. A riot. The people WERE ALL THUGS. They weren't rising up against an oppressive system; I think this thread has no basis whatsoever.DeX2010

[QUOTE="DeX2010"]China's government is very oppressive and so it is right for democratic nations to condemn china and support Liu Xiaobo. The Arab Spring was the result of the middle east rebelling against dictators and wanting free speech. The London Riots were just oppurtunists wanting stuff and looting. It is an insult to the rebels who fought for democracy to associate them with the London Rioters. Do you even live in London? I can assure you everyone hates the rioters and hope they get hell and more. The police will only authorize them to block social media in extreme public disorder. I.e. A riot. The people WERE ALL THUGS. They weren't rising up against an oppressive system; I think this thread has no basis whatsoever.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DeX2010"]China's government is very oppressive and so it is right for democratic nations to condemn china and support Liu Xiaobo. The Arab Spring was the result of the middle east rebelling against dictators and wanting free speech. The London Riots were just oppurtunists wanting stuff and looting. It is an insult to the rebels who fought for democracy to associate them with the London Rioters. Do you even live in London? I can assure you everyone hates the rioters and hope they get hell and more. The police will only authorize them to block social media in extreme public disorder. I.e. A riot. The people WERE ALL THUGS. They weren't rising up against an oppressive system; I think this thread has no basis whatsoever.DeX2010

[QUOTE="DeX2010"]China's government is very oppressive and so it is right for democratic nations to condemn china and support Liu Xiaobo. The Arab Spring was the result of the middle east rebelling against dictators and wanting free speech. The London Riots were just oppurtunists wanting stuff and looting. It is an insult to the rebels who fought for democracy to associate them with the London Rioters. Do you even live in London? I can assure you everyone hates the rioters and hope they get hell and more. The police will only authorize them to block social media in extreme public disorder. I.e. A riot. The people WERE ALL THUGS. They weren't rising up against an oppressive system; I think this thread has no basis whatsoever.kuraimen

If you're right, then there will be more riots, and they will probably be much worse next time ...

Like America, Britain is cutting social spending (even as it bails out those rich,welfare-leeching bankers in the upper strata of the economy). Amongst the cost-cutting measures the country is implementing is reducing the size of its police force.

:|

The riots weren't about great social reform. They were about a bunch of (not being racist here) black people - mostly males - acting out against police because they are criminals and the police want to put criminals in jail. They use poverty as an excuse to be criminals, then act out when the police target them. =/

As for your other issues, the western world - for most people - is a free society where we can say and do what we think and feel. Other countries do not always offer these ideals. Only people who want to act out against the western world have an issue with it i.e. people who don't really want to be a aprt of this society but live in it. For most of us - you know, the simple minded peons being led around and told what to think and feel (:roll: ) we're free people even if we don't get all the facts, or it's hidden behind 250 channels of porn and sitcoms. >.>

Not sure where my rant was taking me there.

I think the riots have more to do with burning **** and stealing more **** .

And if they really want to show the government they are displeased, they're doing it in a very counterproductive manor.

Chutebox

Back in the day Wikileaks and Bradley Manning were condemned for being a rogue, traitorous and dangerous news outlet and soldier. This was done mainly by the US but also by many other governments while the US and western governments congratulated chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo for being a good rogue, traitorous and dangerous person for the chinese government.

Some time later the western governments were thrillled with the "social media revolutions" going in arab countries. For them social media was giving people the chance to come together and rise against their opressive governments and take matters into their own hands. They highly condemned the blocking of the internet or social networks done by these governments. Now fastforward to England today with all those riots that undoubtely demonstrate many people are not very happy with their government and these are the measures taken by the English government:

1. Police will be given discretion to remove face masks from people on the street.

2. The government would work with the police to stop people communicating via social websites.

3. The army could be used for guarding duties.

4. Last but not least: Curfew!

So yeah of course, as always, what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

I still find it ridiculous that the english government is trying to make us think these people are all just thugs and thieves while ignoring the real issues underneath the discontent.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Back in the day Wikileaks and Bradley Manning were condemned for being a rogue, traitorous and dangerous news outlet and soldier. This was done mainly by the US but also by many other governments while the US and western governments congratulated chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo for being a good rogue, traitorous and dangerous person for the chinese government.

Some time later the western governments were thrillled with the "social media revolutions" going in arab countries. For them social media was giving people the chance to come together and rise against their opressive governments and take matters into their own hands. They highly condemned the blocking of the internet or social networks done by these governments. Now fastforward to England today with all those riots that undoubtely demonstrate many people are not very happy with their government and these are the measures taken by the English government:

1. Police will be given discretion to remove face masks from people on the street.

2. The government would work with the police to stop people communicating via social websites.

3. The army could be used for guarding duties.

4. Last but not least: Curfew!

So yeah of course, as always, what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

I still find it ridiculous that the english government is trying to make us think these people are all just thugs and thieves while ignoring the real issues underneath the discontent.

EsYuGee

[QUOTE="EsYuGee"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Back in the day Wikileaks and Bradley Manning were condemned for being a rogue, traitorous and dangerous news outlet and soldier. This was done mainly by the US but also by many other governments while the US and western governments congratulated chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo for being a good rogue, traitorous and dangerous person for the chinese government.

Some time later the western governments were thrillled with the "social media revolutions" going in arab countries. For them social media was giving people the chance to come together and rise against their opressive governments and take matters into their own hands. They highly condemned the blocking of the internet or social networks done by these governments. Now fastforward to England today with all those riots that undoubtely demonstrate many people are not very happy with their government and these are the measures taken by the English government:

1. Police will be given discretion to remove face masks from people on the street.

2. The government would work with the police to stop people communicating via social websites.

3. The army could be used for guarding duties.

4. Last but not least: Curfew!

So yeah of course, as always, what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander.

I still find it ridiculous that the english government is trying to make us think these people are all just thugs and thieves while ignoring the real issues underneath the discontent.

II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

They are a bunch of thugs and thieves, and innocent business owners are suffering for it. And whatever underlying issues there may be are their own fault. You can choose to work hard and make something of yourself, or you can choose the life of scum...antagonizing everyone else and complaining as if the rest of the world owes you a living.

I support anything the British government does to stop these guys.

kuraimen