What American SF/SOF is the most elite?

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#1 HostileEffect
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I thought the Navy SEALs were the most elite, best trained SOF and got the highest end missions but its confusing with so many groups. So who lays down the most ownage?

Marines
Green Berets
Delta Force
Navy SEALs
75th Rangers
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#2 MattUD1
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From what I remember the Delta Force, denied by the government, is the best of the best.
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#3 superelite2688
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i always thought delta force were pretty elite
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#4 SolidSnake_108
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Pffft, it doesn't matter. I could destroy them all.
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Pffft, it doesn't matter. I could destroy them all.SolidSnake_108
lol you tell em!
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Delta Force. They have Chuck Norris.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake_108"]Pffft, it doesn't matter. I could destroy them all.superelite2688
lol you tell em!

Quiet! Or I shall destroy thee.
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[QUOTE="superelite2688"][QUOTE="SolidSnake_108"]Pffft, it doesn't matter. I could destroy them all.SolidSnake_108
lol you tell em!

Quiet! Or I shall destroy thee.

but oh glorious thee? oh but cant u see oooh glorious thee does not deceive :? ok im out with the rhyme ramble lol
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It doesn't really work like that. The Marines are not special operations, but we do have a unit within the Marines called MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command). As for which branch has the most highly trained infantry, it's easily the Marine Corps. However, the question is more complicated regarding our special operations community. They have very different roles and the emphasis is often placed on many disparate skills, not just sheer toughness. They've got to be jack-of-all-trades, and men who can work independently. Delta Force (Army) and MARSOC (Marine Corps) are the most selective and most difficult. However, the Navy SEALS, while not especially difficult to get the opportunity to try out for, have very intensive and lengthy training. They get great gear and all the best schools. This is changing though, because now that JSOC formed and all branches worked together in a special operations community, we're seeing overlapping training and skill sets. The individual organizations are becoming more alike due to their forced integration. The Army Special Forces (Green Berets) is large, and has very many different functions. It's not quite as difficult physically to become as the previously mentioned groups, but they work in the same community. As for the Rangers, they're more of the Army's version of the Marine Corps infantry: a light, highly mobile infantry unit.
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#10 DarkKar
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From what I remember the Delta Force, denied by the government, is the best of the best.MattUD1
I also agree, Delta Force... because it has Chuck Norris.
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Delta Force. They have Chuck Norris.Account_27
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  The Green Berets is a nickname, because they wear green Berets. The Green Berets aren't just A special force. They are THEEE SPECIAL FORCES. Only a certified green Beret has the *Special Forces* have the special forces patch on their gear.

  Special Forces just means they have special functions. Doesn't mean they are elite. My dad was Special Forces only because his unit was special application. They weren't elite. They weren't any different than any other aviations unit they just conducted Special Operations.

  Rangers are stationed everywhere. 75th is a division. My fathers Division (which was the 23rd Americal division had Rangers and Greed Berets. When you are assigned you are assigned to a division. Americal Had Rangers, Green Berets and LRRPs.

  The Army Rangers come from an Army Corp. Then they are assigned to a division when they are deployed.

  Green Berets Are combat ambassadors. Their job is to evaluate enemy territory, strength and undermine the enemy aswell.

  Rangers Are the Same thing as Marines. A Ranger is the Army's version of the Navy's Marines. They are both hard charging infantry they deploy by land sea and air. Their job is to lead the way, to establish a foothold and gain control of the hot zone so the Army can safely construct a firebase and bring in their forces.

  Delta Force is now SFOD-Delta and the Delta is a CTU force and multipurpose special operations force, because all of them were rangers or or special forces before they were recruited to delta. So they oriented to tckle any assignment. The Delta is Army's version of the Navy's SEALs.

  Which is more elite? Most of their training is the same. The only real difference is that each force is trained for specific jobs.

  I'd say the Delta is the most elite, because Delta Force isn't something you can apply for. Delta Force recruits are selected from every branch of the military. They choose the best they can find to join the Delta Force.

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You didn't put the best. The best is AirForce Rescue and Revovery. They are the best, and are very hard to get in to.
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#14 Loonie
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The SAS lay down the most ownage but they are British so.... The Delta Force as I believe they are the American equivalent.
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Delta Force
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the SOF that comes and takes ur other matching pair of sock out of the dryer...also the one that kills puppies...they're deadly....shhhhhh
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The SAS were the first real special forces, I believe. I think that you can apply for them, but you need to have 3 years in the army and the selection process is harsh beyond belief. And if you join the SAS, you get an elite mustache.
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I'd be wary of singling one of those units out as the most elite. I think each has special capabilities and is better in some areas more than others. By the way, the Marines aren't special forces. They do have their own special forces, though.
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marines

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Delta Force

They don't negotiate with terrorists... they blow them away!

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SEAL.
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Navy SEALs are. Delta is definitely badass, but they arent as stealth or covert. A Navy SEAL would take out a Delta operative before he knew what hit him.
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Curtis Sliwa and the Guardian Angels. Badasses through and through...cleaning up NYC one punk at a time and spreading the word of non-violence.
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A lot of you have been playing to many games. To start while the Marines are better then the average army soldier, (excluding inftantry becuase they pretty much match up there) A ranger unit is much better then a Marine unit any day. Also Green berrets are just s/f they are the same as delta force. Delta and other S/F's mission isn't always killing, most of the time its information, and training, Like our Afgan allies that helped us defeat the Taliban they where trained and given orders by S/F, And the Seals? They're fine near shores but you put them 300 miles inland in a desert they would have no idea what to do.
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A lot of you have been playing to many games. To start while the Marines are better then the average army soldier, (excluding inftantry becuase they pretty much match up there) A ranger unit is much better then a Marine unit any day. Also Green berrets are just s/f they are the same as delta force. Delta and other S/F's mission isn't always killing, most of the time its information, and training, Like our Afgan allies that helped us defeat the Taliban they where trained and given orders by S/F, And the Seals? They're fine near shores but you put them 300 miles inland in a desert they would have no idea what to do. biocunsumer


You have some glaring generalizations in there. If you haven't been in any of those units than you can't talk. That's why I didn't give a definitive answer. By the way, the Seals have been operating on mainland Iraq, particularly in the Ramadi area.
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Navy SEALs are. Delta is definitely badass, but they arent as stealth or covert. A Navy SEAL would take out a Delta operative before he knew what hit him.daniel52587
Delta Force operations are significantly more likely be top secret in nature than SEAL operations. They, along with MARSOC, work the most sensitive operations in the world. The SEALs are a well-trained unit, but they're geared more toward a specific task: amphibious operations. While they must complete extensive training before earning their trident pin with their teams, it is more of a general knowledge of many fields, than a deep and thorough training in a specific area. Delta and MARSOC, on the other hand, both take only the best men from men with already considerable combat training, infantry and recon backgrounds. There is no combat-related training the SEALs received that is not also expected of Delta and MARSOC Marines.
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I guess the SEALs or Delta Force. But the best in the world, the SAS. ;)
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[QUOTE="biocunsumer"]A lot of you have been playing to many games. To start while the Marines are better then the average army soldier, (excluding inftantry becuase they pretty much match up there) A ranger unit is much better then a Marine unit any day. Also Green berrets are just s/f they are the same as delta force. Delta and other S/F's mission isn't always killing, most of the time its information, and training, Like our Afgan allies that helped us defeat the Taliban they where trained and given orders by S/F, And the Seals? They're fine near shores but you put them 300 miles inland in a desert they would have no idea what to do. xXBuffJeffXx


You have some glaring generalizations in there. If you haven't been in any of those units than you can't talk. That's why I didn't give a definitive answer. By the way, the Seals have been operating on mainland Iraq, particularly in the Ramadi area.

I think one of the best features of the SEALS is their organization of teams. It's brilliant. You get assigned to a team directly out of BUD/S. Then while earning your pin, you're a part of a family you'll be with from then on. They each have a specific area of operation. If you get SEAL Team (X), you get a certain portion of the world as part of your responsibility. Because you know where you will operate, you can focus on a certain language, culture, customs, maps, people to know, local politics, etc. You can become an expert and know that your study will have a real world application. Unfortunately, most of the Army and Marine Corps don't have that option. They must be ready to deploy anywhere.
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#30 branketra
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Hmmm....I say either the Seals or Delta Force. Black Ops need no mistakes, right?
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#31 V4LENT1NE
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Best out of those Delta force, but best force there is...........SAS baby.
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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="biocunsumer"]A lot of you have been playing to many games. To start while the Marines are better then the average army soldier, (excluding inftantry becuase they pretty much match up there) A ranger unit is much better then a Marine unit any day. Also Green berrets are just s/f they are the same as delta force. Delta and other S/F's mission isn't always killing, most of the time its information, and training, Like our Afgan allies that helped us defeat the Taliban they where trained and given orders by S/F, And the Seals? They're fine near shores but you put them 300 miles inland in a desert they would have no idea what to do. bt_the_great_78


You have some glaring generalizations in there. If you haven't been in any of those units than you can't talk. That's why I didn't give a definitive answer. By the way, the Seals have been operating on mainland Iraq, particularly in the Ramadi area.

I think one of the best features of the SEALS is their organization of teams. It's brilliant. You get assigned to a team directly out of BUD/S. Then while earning your pin, you're a part of a family you'll be with from then on. They each have a specific area of operation. If you get SEAL Team (X), you get a certain portion of the world as part of your responsibility. Because you know where you will operate, you can focus on a certain language, culture, customs, maps, people to know, local politics, etc. You can become an expert and know that your study will have a real world application. Unfortunately, most of the Army and Marine Corps don't have that option. They must be ready to deploy anywhere.



Yeah, I remember reading about how the SEALS do that. Maybe with the expansion of the Army and Marine Corps their special units will try to mimic what the SEALS do.
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But the best in the world, the SAS. ;)
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It's amusing to discuss, but I doubt there is any objective way to determine such a claim. Nonetheless, and I'm admittedly somewhat biased, being an American, but I don't believe for a second that the SAS, nor even the Australian SAS is better trained or more effective than our Delta Force or MARSOC. Delta Force, when created, started with SAS as the original design. They took their training and organization as a starting point. What they have evolved into is considerable and impressive, in their professionalism, secrecy, elitism, and rigid adherence to code. As for MARSOC, they're only about a year old, but they're an assimilation of Force Recon into JSOF. They are the Marine Corps' answer to Delta Force.
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The best special forces were those that fought with SOG in Vietnam.
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A lot of you have been playing to many games. To start while the Marines are better then the average army soldier, (excluding inftantry becuase they pretty much match up there) A ranger unit is much better then a Marine unit any day. Also Green berrets are just s/f they are the same as delta force. Delta and other S/F's mission isn't always killing, most of the time its information, and training, Like our Afgan allies that helped us defeat the Taliban they where trained and given orders by S/F, And the Seals? They're fine near shores but you put them 300 miles inland in a desert they would have no idea what to do. biocunsumer
I really doubt that you'll find anyone who has served in the Rangers or anyone who has served in the Marine Corps infantry to agree with you. While it's true that a Ranger is more highly combat trained than some Marines (non combat field MOS), they're not more highly trained than Marine Corps infantry. They're in many ways similar to us (and often get better quotas to jump and dive school), but as someone who has spent considerable time in the Marines and who has worked with the Rangers, a lat move to the Rangers would be a vacation. Delta however would be taking it up a notch. Edit: I would add though that some infantry units are better than others. I've run into others who weren't as representative of the highly motivated and professional Marine, whether due to poor leadership from their BC or some of the factor. It's unfortunate, as rare as it may be.
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[QUOTE="biocunsumer"]A lot of you have been playing to many games. To start while the Marines are better then the average army soldier, (excluding inftantry becuase they pretty much match up there) A ranger unit is much better then a Marine unit any day. Also Green berrets are just s/f they are the same as delta force. Delta and other S/F's mission isn't always killing, most of the time its information, and training, Like our Afgan allies that helped us defeat the Taliban they where trained and given orders by S/F, And the Seals? They're fine near shores but you put them 300 miles inland in a desert they would have no idea what to do. bt_the_great_78
I really doubt that you'll find anyone who has served in the Rangers or anyone who has served in the Marine Corps infantry to agree with you. While it's true that a Ranger is more highly combat trained than some Marines (non combat field MOS), they're not more highly trained than Marine Corps infantry. They're in many ways similar to us (and often get better quotas to jump and dive school), but as someone who has spent considerable time in the Marines and who has worked with the Rangers, a lat move to the Rangers would be a vacation. Delta however would be taking it up a notch. Edit: I would add though that some infantry units are better than others. I've run into others who weren't as representative of the highly motivated and professional Marine, whether due to poor leadership from their BC or some of the factor. It's unfortunate, as rare as it may be.



I agree. Some Army infantry units are more highly motivated and trained than some Marine units, but it works both ways. There are high-speed units and jacked up units in every branch that make it look either really good or really bad.
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I've worked with Rangers, S/F, and Marines before and I have seen how they worked.
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[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"] But the best in the world, the SAS. ;)
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It's amusing to discuss, but I doubt there is any objective way to determine such a claim. Nonetheless, and I'm admittedly somewhat biased, being an American, but I don't believe for a second that the SAS, nor even the Australian SAS is better trained or more effective than our Delta Force or MARSOC. Delta Force, when created, started with SAS as the original design. They took their training and organization as a starting point. What they have evolved into is considerable and impressive, in their professionalism, secrecy, elitism, and rigid adherence to code. As for MARSOC, they're only about a year old, but they're an assimilation of Force Recon into JSOF. They are the Marine Corps' answer to Delta Force.


I am pretty sure the training in the SAS is way more severe and punishing than that of Delta Force, and I have heard a lot of Americans admit themseves that SAS is probably better in combat and has been for a while.
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  Regardless of where you are stationed or what unit you're in, you are always an infintry man/women first. Even though you're Delta or a Ranger you're still assigned to Regular patrol shifts.

  You do don't seem to understand. They all have specific jobs, that require advanced training. Just like a pilot.The Only difference between A Marine and Ranger is that the Marine's are Naval and the Rangers are Army. The Delta is Army and the SEALS are Navy. Thee Special Forces/Green Berets is a Counter Warfare effort. Their specialty is all forms of warfare. Their mission is to aid allied rebel forces and sabotoge or undermine the enemy war effort. The green Berets are known as the ghosts, because move in and out of enemy territory undetected. They engage when they mission requires, but usually their primary goal is to observe and hinder the enemy. They are basically the communication link between the citizens, rebels and U.S forces, because they all speak 2-3 languages. That's why The special forces/green berets are refered to as combat ambassadors. They are not just commandos, they are also political figure heads.

  This is really a stupid argument, because special units from all over the world train together and station soldiers with other special units and vise verse. They exchange.

  Being first doesn't make you better. It's kind of like arguing which footbal team has the better the special team.

  None of them are better than any standard infantry man, because plenty of the get zapped like any other while assigned to a perimeter ptrol shift or garrison. They are just trained to perform another duty.

 

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I think you'll find discussing and arguing the pros and cons of our sister forces is as common and enjoyable to us as gamers find debating the merits and shortcomings of a particular console, graphics card, or developer versus another. Also, there is just as many blind devotees. Regarding MagnumPI's statement that all special operations units are originally infantry, I can say that this is patently false. Navy SEALS are never at any point infantry. They come from any of the Navy's many technical or command occupations. The same is also true for the Air Force's Air Commandos. Also, there is a organizational, as well as paradigmatic, difference between Army Infantry ("big Army") and Marine Infantry ("light infantry"), which is why you'll see the comparisons between the Rangers and Marine infantry commonplace.
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I think you'll find discussing and arguing the pros and cons of our sister forces is as common and enjoyable to us as gamers find debating the merits and shortcomings of a particular console, graphics card, or developer versus another. Also, there is just as many blind devotees. Regarding MagnumPI's statement that all special operations units are originally infantry, I can say that this is patently false. Navy SEALS are never at any point infantry. They come from any of the Navy's many technical or command occupations. The same is also true for the Air Force's Air Commandos. Also, there is a organizational, as well as paradigmatic, difference between Army Infantry ("big Army") and Marine Infantry ("light infantry"), which is why you'll see the comparisons between the Rangers and Marine infantry commonplace.bt_the_great_78

  And I just smack myself in the face 10..100 times.

  It should have been obvious that the airforce and navy should been assumed, because obviously they're in the sea  manding a vesel or in the air flying an aircraft. or stationed on airfield for deployment.

  You do realize that the Airforce was orginally any Army Corp? The Air Corp. But it became so big that it became it's own branch. The airforce still has infantry. Everyone is a rifleman first in the airforce. Only the navy doesn't train their men for infantry combat. That's why they have the Marine corp.

  Anybody can transfer from one branch of the military to another if the request is approved. An old colleague was Airforce. He served in Nam, He was a rifleman. He was a K-9 Handler. He was deployed to an infantry unit. He was century dog rifleman.

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#43 MagnumPI
Member since 2002 • 9617 Posts

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]I think you'll find discussing and arguing the pros and cons of our sister forces is as common and enjoyable to us as gamers find debating the merits and shortcomings of a particular console, graphics card, or developer versus another. Also, there is just as many blind devotees. Regarding MagnumPI's statement that all special operations units are originally infantry, I can say that this is patently false. Navy SEALS are never at any point infantry. They come from any of the Navy's many technical or command occupations. The same is also true for the Air Force's Air Commandos. Also, there is a organizational, as well as paradigmatic, difference between Army Infantry ("big Army") and Marine Infantry ("light infantry"), which is why you'll see the comparisons between the Rangers and Marine infantry commonplace.MagnumPI

  And I just smack myself in the face 10..100 times.

  It should have been obvious that the airforce and navy should been assumed, because obviously they're in the sea  manding a vesel or in the air flying an aircraft. or stationed on airfield for deployment.

  You do realize that the Airforce was orginally any Army Corp? The Air Corp. But it became so big that it became it's own branch. The airforce still has infantry. Everyone is a rifleman first in the airforce. Only the navy doesn't train their men for infantry combat. That's why they have the Marine corp.

  Anybody can transfer from one branch of the military to another if the request is approved. An old colleague was Airforce. He served in Nam, He was a rifleman. He was a K-9 Handler. He was deployed to an infantry unit. He was century dog rifleman.

  Oh, there is light infantry and heavy infantry (not Big). Light means they travel light with minimal gear and provisions. Also in small squads. Heavy means they are large group. They carry a lot of gear and extra equipment so they can dig in or launch an assault.

  All branches that have infantry have heavy and light infantry. Depends on what the mission determines weather or not they will deploy heavy or light.

  All branches have infantry and I'll explain why. Originally all militarys had two branches. Army & Navy. The Navy has Marines. The Marines are Naval infantry. The airforce was an Army Corp. They broke of into their own branch. They still have infantry divisions, because air troops need support from ground troops.

  Everyone is a rifleman first. I'll explain to you what that means. If you become Navy SEAL, you are a rifleman first. So if the navy needs additional infantry you will be assigned with the rest of the grunts. Anyone who can operate a rifle is going on the battlefield if they are needed. And if you can't use a gun and they REALLY need personel you WILL simply have to learn, because you will be fighting weather you like it or not.

  All infilitration foot soldiers are riflemen first. I've never heard of a SEAL that couldn't shoot a rifle well.