What are your thoughts on religion?

Can this thread be any more vague?

Religion is based on faith, athiests have to see everything.

/thread (I'm being serious this time LJ)

Can this thread be any more vague?

Religion is based on faith, athiests have to see everything.

/thread (I'm being serious this time LJ)

skullkrusher13

:lol: At least you didn't say bears.

Anyway, it's up to the individual to decide for themself.

Not another thread...please.

My thoughts,

Religion tries to answer all the gullible people's fears, doubts and questions about the world.

Atheism doesn't believe in that.

If I had to choose, I would not pick religion...doesn't necessarily mean I'm atheist though.

meh the bible is scare mongoring

and bribery ie belive in me or go to hell

and the entire noahs ark is BS i do geology an event this large would have left the earth with a large layer of mudstone across the entire planet and well it didnt

an the bible says earth is 6k old BS

and the entire you can only get into heaven througth jesus therfore babies go to hell

and the catholic church in particualar is stupid

So what are your thoughts on religion and atheism?Belisarius-9

Would you mind being a little more specific?

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

meh the bible is scare mongoring

and bribery ie belive in me or go to hell

and the entire noahs ark is BS i do geology an event this large would have left the earth with a large layer of mudstone across the entire planet and well it didnt

an the bible says earth is 6k old BS

and the entire you can only get into heaven througth jesus therfore babies go to hell

and the catholic church in particualar is stupid

muff07

That is the dumbest post I've ever seen.:|

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

Silver_Dragon17

Atheism is not a religion.

Atheism is derived from the word "theism" which means a belief in a god or gods, and the greek work for not which is "a". So, atheism literally means "without theism" or without the belief in a god or gods.

Religion is necessary...it gives people hope...

Im not saying everyone needs religion...some people need that re-assurance that there is something good waiting for them when they kick off...that there is a sense of just in the world...

"I worship to the sun, because, unlike other gods, I can see it and it helps me every day. I don't pray to the sun though. It would be narcissistic to think the sun wants to hear about my problems. I pray to Joe Pesci. He's a good actor and a guy that looks like he can get things done. Plus praying to him meets with 50% of the success rate of praying to God!"

Firstly, religion and athiesm aren't two seprate things, they're the same. But, that's besides my points.

Religion is a pure and neutral thing(for lack of a better word-_-). It's the people who use and apply it that are corrupt.That's why I dislikeit when people mentionthe crimes people commit in the name of religion(specifically theism). Religion evokesemotions and anyone who has ever felt passionate about anything in their life knows thatif you love something enough, you'll kill for it. It's as simple as that.I also remembera thread made a few weeks ago that said "religion is a tool". And I agree actually. It IS a tool to help you either become closer to God or to push God away.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

Decessus

Atheism is not a religion.

Atheism is derived from the word "theism" which means a belief in a god or gods, and the greek work for not which is "a". So, atheism literally means "without theism" or without the belief in a god or gods.

That doesn't mean it's not a religion. Satanism doesn't believe in a god, but it's a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God, and use the logic that a belief in God without proof of His existance is religion. . . . .but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't. . . .it's a matter of faith. It's a religion.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

Silver_Dragon17

Atheism is not a religion.

Atheism is derived from the word "theism" which means a belief in a god or gods, and the greek work for not which is "a". So, atheism literally means "without theism" or without the belief in a god or gods.

That doesn't mean it's not a religion. Satanism doesn't believe in a god, but it's a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God, and use the logic that a belief in God without proof of His existance is religion. . . . .but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't. . . .it's a matter of faith. It's a religion.

It's nothing....Atheism is literally nothing.... It's the absence of religion/theism/faith/lolz.

There's nothing saying that there isn't a giant guitar playing cow in the Earth's core.......but common logic says that there isn't one......so that have to be a religion too then..

That doesn't mean it's not a religion. Satanism doesn't believe in a god, but it's a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God, and use the logic that a belief in God without proof of His existance is religion. . . . .but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't. . . .it's a matter of faith. It's a religion.

Silver_Dragon17

Atheists, in the broadest sense of the word, do not believe in God. This is different from saying that God does not exist. Atheism is the lack of a belief, specifically it is the lack of a belief in a god or gods.

Another point I would like to make is in response to this statement "but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't." In any argument, the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the person making the positive claim. It is not the responsibility of the atheist to show why he or she does not believe in God. It is the responsibility of the theist to show why an atheist should believe in God. Until such reasons are presented, the only logical course of action for the atheist is to determine that such a belief is irrational and discard it as such.

It's nothing....Atheism is literally nothing.... It's the absence of religion/theism/faith/lolz.

There's nothing saying that there isn't a giant guitar playing cow in the Earth's core.......but common logic says that there isn't one...

jointed

As if God is comparable to a guitar playing cow.

Atheism is without faith toward a religion/god/gods/theism/what-have-you, but then it also goes against the belief of a god/gods/religion/theism/what-have-you. If it didn't, then there is no such thing as Atheism, and they are all Agnostic.

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

That doesn't mean it's not a religion. Satanism doesn't believe in a god, but it's a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God, and use the logic that a belief in God without proof of His existance is religion. . . . .but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't. . . .it's a matter of faith. It's a religion.

Decessus

Atheists, in the broadest sense of the word, do not believe in God. This is different from saying that God does not exist. Atheism is the lack of a belief, specifically it is the lack of a belief in a god or gods.

Another point I would like to make is in response to this statement "but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't." In any argument, the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the person making the positive claim. It is not the responsibility of the atheist to show why he or she does not believe in God. It is the responsibility of the theist to show why an atheist should believe in God. Until such reasons are presented, the only logical course of action for the atheist is to determine that such a belief is irrational and discard it as such.

But this isn't an argument about evidence, but faith. No evidencefor something isn't neccesarilya reason not to believe in it, but evidence against something is. A theist's reason for believing in God is he has faith. Not why he should believe in God, but why he does. Nobody has much of a reason why they should believe in a god. But Atheists do: The lack of evidence. But then that is taking a leap of faith.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

ShuLordLiuPei

but Buddhism isn't a religion...

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

That doesn't mean it's not a religion. Satanism doesn't believe in a god, but it's a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God, and use the logic that a belief in God without proof of His existance is religion. . . . .but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't. . . .it's a matter of faith. It's a religion.

Silver_Dragon17

Atheists, in the broadest sense of the word, do not believe in God. This is different from saying that God does not exist. Atheism is the lack of a belief, specifically it is the lack of a belief in a god or gods.

Another point I would like to make is in response to this statement "but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't." In any argument, the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the person making the positive claim. It is not the responsibility of the atheist to show why he or she does not believe in God. It is the responsibility of the theist to show why an atheist should believe in God. Until such reasons are presented, the only logical course of action for the atheist is to determine that such a belief is irrational and discard it as such.

But this isn't an argument about evidence, but faith. No evidencefor something isn't neccesarilya reason not to believe in it, but evidence against something is. A theist's reason for believing in God is he has faith. Not why he should believe in God, but why he does. Nobody has much of a reason why they should believe in a god. But Atheists do: The lack of evidence. But then that is taking a leap of faith.

You do realize the hypocrisy of saying that Athiests take a leap of faith when they believe in something due to a lack of evidence, yet Christians validate their beliefs by saying "If you can't disprove it, it must be true."

Alii felicitatem metam supremam vitae esse et vias quibus fit nihil interesse credunt. Fides quasdam consuetudinibus tollunt altioribus alii et his agere conantur.

"Some believe that hapiness is the ultimate goal of life, and the means by which it is acquired do not matter. Others lift certain beliefs to higher standards and attempt to live by them."

And that is the difference between the faithful and the faithless.

[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

jointed

but Buddhism isn't a religion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmic_religion

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9105944/Buddhism

But this isn't an argument about evidence, but faith. No evidencefor something isn't neccesarilya reason not to believe in it, but evidence against something is. A theist's reason for believing in God is he has faith. Not why he should believe in God, but why he does. Nobody has much of a reason why they should believe in a god. But Atheists do: The lack of evidence. But then that is taking a leap of faith.

Silver_Dragon17

Once again, atheists, in the broadest sense, do not hold beliefs about god. Atheists lack the belief about a god or gods.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

ShuLordLiuPei

but Buddhism isn't a religion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmic_religion

I've always heard that it was more of a philosophy......but your bombardment of wiki links proved me wrong

Sorry, about that one...my bad

Religion and theology in general is a tough subject matter which requires quite a bit of research to fully understand. Much like with Math, one cannot claim to know everything about the subject after simply learning general algebra. People can however accept that they believe in the subject being an important part of their lives. Similiarly, people may accept the ideas of math without knowing anything about the subject all together.

Look at Chrisitianity and Islam for example. If one where to study these two religions at their core, they will quickly come to realize how many people simply walk around with the Christian or Muslim label; without actually practicing what their religion asks of them. This in turn causes the effect of false assumptions through assosiate with the religion. In other words, suicide bombings being assosiated with Islam in the West. The idea of the New World Order being assosiated with Christianity in the East. This in many ways can be blamed on cultural influences on religion.

It is no suprise to me that many people look at religion as being backwards. I understand where they are coming from, and I personally blame the people of religion to be at fault. Religion has been bastardized.

[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

jointed

but Buddhism isn't a religion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmic_religion

I've always heard that it was more of a philosophy......but your bombardment of wiki links proved me wrong

Sorry, about that one...my bad

Who cares.

But really, you have one side that says there's heaven, kingdom of heaven, God, etc. and that we are reunited with loved ones. Really, just some form of an afterlife.

Then the other side which says we become worm food.

Given the complexity of the universe in how harmonious it is (not quite the ontological argument) in its dispersions of matter, anti-matter, dark energy, other terms no one here really knows, etc. Isn't it possible that neither view is correct, and that what waits for us is something far greater than either side can comprehend?

Either way its unfalsifiable, so who cares.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Atheism is confusing to me. . .they say that it isn't a religion, that religion is based on the belief of something without proof, and yet Atheism is based on the belief that something does not exist, even though they have no proof.:|

I think it takes little more than faith to simply believe in something, but to not believe in something? Different. Atheism is the most confusing religion there is.

Silver_Dragon17

Atheism is not a religion.

Atheism is derived from the word "theism" which means a belief in a god or gods, and the greek work for not which is "a". So, atheism literally means "without theism" or without the belief in a god or gods.

That doesn't mean it's not a religion. Satanism doesn't believe in a god, but it's a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God, and use the logic that a belief in God without proof of His existance is religion. . . . .but then Atheists believe that there is no God, even though there is nothing to say that there isn't. . . .it's a matter of faith. It's a religion.

meh the bible is scare mongoring

and bribery ie belive in me or go to hell

and the entire noahs ark is BS i do geology an event this large would have left the earth with a large layer of mudstone across the entire planet and well it didnt

an the bible says earth is 6k old BS

and the entire you can only get into heaven througth jesus therfore babies go to hell

and the catholic church in particualar is stupid

muff07

Your ignorence makes me laugh xD

I'm against fundamentalist thinking and I do not like religion because of the way it works on one's mind, and because science is treated like a fifth-rate citizen when religion is in the house. More specifically I am against the slave morality of Christianity and Judaism.CptJSparrow

You know, I would be curious to find out how "Christian" America really is. After all, I know many people who say they are Christian, but when you really look at their lifestyle and how they behave, I think that label is somewhat misplaced.

[QUOTE="muff07"]

meh the bible is scare mongoring

and bribery ie belive in me or go to hell

and the entire noahs ark is BS i do geology an event this large would have left the earth with a large layer of mudstone across the entire planet and well it didnt

an the bible says earth is 6k old BS

and the entire you can only get into heaven througth jesus therfore babies go to hell

and the catholic church in particualar is stupid

Mormaso

Your ignorence makes me laugh xD

Who cares.

But really, you have one side that says there's heaven, kingdom of heaven, God, etc. and that we are reunited with loved ones. Really, just some form of an afterlife.

Then the other side which says we become worm food.

Given the complexity of the universe in how harmonious it is (not quite the ontological argument) in its dispersions of matter, anti-matter, dark energy, other terms no one here really knows, etc. Isn't it possible that neither view is correct, and that what waits for us is something far greater than either side can comprehend?

Either way its unfalsifiable, so who cares.

Zealot_02_basic

A very great response. However, it begs me to say that many people of faith (of course depends on the religion); that God himself is very incomprehensible for the simple fact that our brains are not able to handle it. Like a dog trying to comprehend string theory.

What I love about your response is that it highlights some of the reasons I believe in God. The more I study the various sciences, the more I realize how complex this world is. How amongst all this chaos, there is balance. Which leaves me believing that there is a higher power. However, this of course does not answer whether religion today has anything to do with this higher power; God. That of course is a whole other subject that brances off this :)

[QUOTE="Mormaso"][QUOTE="muff07"]

meh the bible is scare mongoring

and bribery ie belive in me or go to hell

and the entire noahs ark is BS i do geology an event this large would have left the earth with a large layer of mudstone across the entire planet and well it didnt

an the bible says earth is 6k old BS

and the entire you can only get into heaven througth jesus therfore babies go to hell

and the catholic church in particualar is stupid

ShuLordLiuPei

Your ignorence makes me laugh xD

I don't think I should comment on what points I think are valid or not, but I agree he could have presented them better

The point of religion is to find answers for the biggest questions in life. Why are we here, where did we come from, how did we get here, what's the point of life, and what will happen when we die are just some of those questions. Religions have different answers for these questions, with each one thinking they have the correct answers. This is what makes religion confusing.No matter what church or place of worship you go to, you're told that you better join and serve their God in order to secure your future. If you don't, you'll be punished somehow. Go to another religion and you're told the same story there. So, it's really up to you to choose.

Another part of religion that's confusing, and we'll use Christianity here for example, is that some people who claim to be a certain religion don't really live their life to it's standards. I agree with the person who said that most Christians today don't really live a Christian life. Christianity forbids homosexuality, yet you have some gay priests. In some churches, all you're told is how much money they need and what social event is happening next, instead of talking about the bible and God. Ask a priest or any kind of church leader a question about the bible or God, and they probably won't be able to really give a direct answer. The point here is that if you see a religion that teaches something but acts and behaves totally different, it's best to avoid it,

I think the world would be better off without it. Less terrorism, no more pedophiles in the church, no more holy wars, no more killing in the name of god.