What do the words "Peak Oil" mean to you?

I'm amazed it still isn't apparent to people that the energy crisis is only getting closer. Most people are aware that the end of oil is at hand but seem to actually think some kind of thermodynamics defying energy system will come and rescue us. "Hurr hurr, the amazing power of biofuels/hydrogen/sunlight will save us!"

The optimistic projections stated PO would hit us 2040, but according to OPEC and Mexico, things look like they're going to happen a hell of a lot sooner.

That little red line? That's demand, too bad it isn't decreasing anymore.

http://www.hubbertpeak.com/mx/

Whoops, looks like Mexico's oil production is on the verge of collapse. So much for those hopes of magical Gulf oil to come and save us.

So what's your life plan after the oil crash? Assuming you even know what Peak Oil is. And assuming your not some moron who thinks Peak Oil is just some big scam by the oil companies despite being one of the most censored media stories of 2003-2004.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/18.html

we arnt even close to running out of oil man, we'll be drilling in Greenland within the next few years and there is a ton of oil up there, its only expensive now because of politics and mid east unrest

EDIT: china is also driving up the prices, their industry is in a boom and their demand is quite high

might want to leave out the hur hur hur thing next time

anyways i dont really know what you expect people to do about oit we kinda need gas to get people to work i would carpool of course ifI actually lived by anyone but i dont my family has two hybrids and if i have it my way I'll get one also when i get a new car if i could magically make a solution i woud but it doesnt work like that so instead of complainin how abot you post something that would help the situation

So what's your point? All you really did was insult people who might not agree with you...you didn't offer any particular solution.

Are we supposed to all quit driving our cars to work, quit making a living, and dedicate our lives to preserving oil and finding a viable alternative fuel source? No thanks. We might be about to run out of oil, but what's incomprehensible to you is that most people, including myself, just don't care. When it happens, we'll care. Until then, I'm going to pay my bills and support my family. That's my first priority...not worrying about the fuel apocolypse. The working class of America doesn't have the spare time or energy for that. When you grow up and get a job, you'll understand.

we arnt even close to running out of oil man, we'll be drilling in Greenland within the next few years and there is a ton of oil up there, its only expensive now because of politics and mid east unrestg-unit248

Not to mention the HUGE reserves in Alaska that haven't been touched yet.

we arnt even close to running out of oil man, we'll be drilling in Greenland within the next few years and there is a ton of oil up there, its only expensive now because of politics and mid east unrestg-unit248

Greenland? You just don't get it do you? Peak Oil does not predict that we are going to run out of oil, it predicts that we are not going to be able to produce enough oil to keep up with demand. The world economy is built upon GROWTH. Even during the Depression we still had a growth rate of 2%-3%! How does a zero or negative growth rate sound to you?

Better yet, what makes you think that a single region could supply the entire god damn planet with oil when it already takesall of the efforts of the Middle East, Venezuela, The United States, Russia, and EU oil suppliers just to stop the prices from rising faster than they are?

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]we arnt even close to running out of oil man, we'll be drilling in Greenland within the next few years and there is a ton of oil up there, its only expensive now because of politics and mid east unrestOleg_Huzwog

Not to mention the HUGE reserves in Alaska that haven't been touched yet.

Nope. Even if we ditched all concern for the enviornment completely, going to town on Alaska will only drop oil prices by less than 50 cents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/

So what's your point? All you really did was insult people who might not agree with you...you didn't offer any particular solution.im_overrated

That's because their is no solution. You've got to prepare yourself for it personally.

Are we supposed to all quit driving our cars to work, quit making a living, and dedicate our lives to preserving oil and finding a viable alternative fuel source?

You're not supposed to. The issue is, that you won't have a choice.

No thanks. We might be about to run out of oil, but what's incomprehensible to you is that most people, including myself, just don't care. When it happens, we'll care.

And it will be too late to do anything by then. Of course, it's been too late since the end of the 70s. But we all saw what happened when Carter tried to wake people up about our energy dependancy.

Until then, I'm going to pay my bills and support my family. That's my first priority...not worrying about the fuel apocolypse. The working class of America doesn't have the spare time or energy for that. When you grow up and get a job, you'll understand.

Hey nutwit, you do realize that by ignoring the future problems you are FAILING AS A PARENT? I'm sure your kids are going to love telling you how they can't find of job or even survive because you spent most of your own young life prancing around in an SUV. And the most hilarious thing, you won't be able to help them! Because YOU will be just barely scratching a living too!

When you grow up and get a job, you'll understand.

I find it rather interesting that you're lecturing me on "growing up" when you seem to think that ignoring this issue will make it go away and allow your kids to live a life like yours.

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[QUOTE="g-unit248"]we arnt even close to running out of oil man, we'll be drilling in Greenland within the next few years and there is a ton of oil up there, its only expensive now because of politics and mid east unrestCaptHawkeye

Not to mention the HUGE reserves in Alaska that haven't been touched yet.

Nope. Even if we ditched all concern for the enviornment completely, going to town on Alaska will only drop oil prices by less than 50 cents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/

Er, I was just supporting the previous poster's note about the abundance of oil reserves. I wasn't saying anything about the price of oil.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]we arnt even close to running out of oil man, we'll be drilling in Greenland within the next few years and there is a ton of oil up there, its only expensive now because of politics and mid east unrestOleg_Huzwog

Not to mention the HUGE reserves in Alaska that haven't been touched yet.

Nope. Even if we ditched all concern for the enviornment completely, going to town on Alaska will only drop oil prices by less than 50 cents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/

Er, I was just supporting the previous poster's note about the abundance of oil reserves. I wasn't saying anything about the price of oil.

You do realize the two go hand in hand. Right? When fuel is more than 7.00 dollars a gallon, Alaka's 50 cent price drop will mean absolutely diddly.

You do realize the two go hand in hand. Right? When fuel is more than 7.00 dollars a gallon, Alaka's 50 cent price drop will mean absolutely diddly.

CaptHawkeye

That's not entirely true. Price is driven primarily by what people are willing to pay, not by the abundance of supply.

there should just be a international kill your enemies week where it becomes legal to kill for one whole week. that should get rid of a couple hundred million people and demand will drop, happy now?Big_player

Frankly a more humane method would be favorable. But the reality is that it's our only hope. Unfortunantly, no one is going to just "take one for consumerist society". So, all in all, this method is hopelessly optimistic too.

TC you also have to realize that price per barrel does not directly reflect price per gallon of gas, last summer i was paying over 3.20 a gallon, and price per barrel was about about $70, i filled up the other day and it cost me 3.19 and the price per barrel is about $85-$90, granted they are closely related, but politics plays a huge role as well

You do realize the two go hand in hand. Right? When fuel is more than 7.00 dollars a gallon, Alaka's 50 cent price drop will mean absolutely diddly.

CaptHawkeye

Either way, no more conventional military. Many things are changing to electrically powered and altogether unmanned. Sure, it's not really making ripples in water, but at least people are looking for rocks.

I read a recent Popular Science magazine that went over utilizing tornado power via some long process to eventually generate 350 megawatts of electricity.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

You do realize the two go hand in hand. Right? When fuel is more than 7.00 dollars a gallon, Alaka's 50 cent price drop will mean absolutely diddly.

Oleg_Huzwog

That's not entirely true. Price is driven primarily by what people are willing to pay, not by the abundance of supply.

Energy isn't just a commodity, it is the very foundation of our economy. It is the generating source of all other activities on the planet. Inluding alternate energy. Oil prices shot up like crazy during the 70s, yet that didn't stop people from crowding the pumps to get at it. High prices are going to strain the planet's political situation as well. (IE: War) Which will further hamper any kind of replacement for it.

TC you also have to realize that price per barrel does not directly reflect price per gallon of gas, last summer i was paying over 3.20 a gallon, and price per barrel was about about $70, i filled up the other day and it cost me 3.19 and the price per barrel is about $85-$90, granted they are closely related, but politics plays a huge role as well

g-unit248

It's not about politics anymore. It's simple reality, we are running out of oil. Rising prices CAN be a symptom of political issues, but that doesn't mean they CAN'T be a symptom of another.

Imagine the jobs via internet. Would the job salaries go up to draw people in or down due to the huge amount of new workers?BranKetra

The internet/tech industry is equally as reliant upon oil as any other facet of society. Hell, since most computer compenents are built on and withpetroleum products,(IE: PLASTIC) this industry is going to be among the first to die off.

Either way, no more conventional military. Many things are changing to electrically powered and altogether unmanned. Sure, it's not really making ripples in water, but at least people are looking for rocks.

And the implimentation of these devices will not come fast enough, or in enough quantity to supply the immense demand.

I read a recent Popular Science magazine that went over utilizing tornado power via some long process to eventually generate 350 megawatts of electricity.

Pie in the sky. What's the energy return rate of this system? How much energy do you need to put into it to get energy back from it? How is it controlled? How can it be implimented for vehicles and our highly mobile infrastructure?

[QUOTE="im_overrated"]

So what's your point? All you really did was insult people who might not agree with you...you didn't offer any particular solution.CaptHawkeye

That's because their is no solution. You've got to prepare yourself for it personally.

Are we supposed to all quit driving our cars to work, quit making a living, and dedicate our lives to preserving oil and finding a viable alternative fuel source?

You're not supposed to. The issue is, that you won't have a choice.

No thanks. We might be about to run out of oil, but what's incomprehensible to you is that most people, including myself, just don't care. When it happens, we'll care.

And it will be too late to do anything by then. Of course, it's been too late since the end of the 70s. But we all saw what happened when Carter tried to wake people up about our energy dependancy.

Until then, I'm going to pay my bills and support my family. That's my first priority...not worrying about the fuel apocolypse. The working class of America doesn't have the spare time or energy for that. When you grow up and get a job, you'll understand.

Hey nutwit, you do realize that by ignoring the future problems you are FAILING AS A PARENT? I'm sure your kids are going to love telling you how they can't find of job or even survive because you spent most of your own young life prancing around in an SUV. And the most hilarious thing, you won't be able to help them! Because YOU will be just barely scratching a living too!

When you grow up and get a job, you'll understand.

I find it rather interesting that you're lecturing me on "growing up" when you seem to think that ignoring this issue will make it go away and allow your kids to live a life like yours.

I'm engaged, and no kids as of yet. I help support my parents. If all our energy as we know it is going be non-existant, then there's nothign I can do for my kids, other than give them money to help them get started, which I would do regardless. I also don't own an SUV, I own a very fuel efficient normal-sized car. I fail to see how you viciously insulting me and my living situation makes you any different...if there's nothing we can do, then you're in the same boat as me. I guess by attacking me, you feel like you're somehow making a difference, or maybe it makes you feel superior to all the "uninformed" people out there. Whatever the reason, I'm glad you have time to preach about it here and are free of any responsibilities and commitments. Make sure and tell your friends about this at school Monday.

Energy isn't just a commodity, it is the very foundation of our economy. It is the generating source of all other activities on the planet. Inluding alternate energy. Oil prices shot up like crazy during the 70s, yet that didn't stop people from crowding the pumps to get at it. High prices are going to strain the planet's political situation as well. (IE: War) Which will further hamper any kind of replacement for it.

CaptHawkeye

Well, that was a rather sudden change of topic. :? Higher oil prices will not dampen efforts at finding alternative energies. On the contrary, it will encourage investors to divert more funds in order to speed the development.

As for your comment about war, limited supplies (not high prices) will be the instigator. As mentioned earlier, supplies are plentiful for the time being.

I'm engaged, and no kids as of yet. I help support my parents. If all our energy as we know it is going be non-existant, then there's nothign I can do for my kids, other than give them money to help them get started,im_overrated

Money you won't have, that will be totally non value as well. Will you kids be able to eat oil?

which I would do regardless. I also don't own an SUV, I own a very fuel efficient normal-sized car.

Makes no difference. We all use oil. We've all doomed our children and their futures.

I fail to see how you viciously insulting me and my living situation makes you any different...if there's nothing we can do, then you're in the same boat as me.

Except that now you KNOW this is going to happen. You can still prepare YOURSELF for it. Ever wonder what it's like to be Les Stroud?

I guess by attacking me, you feel like you're somehow making a difference, or maybe it makes you feel superior to all the "uninformed" people out there. Whatever the reason, I'm glad you have time to preach about it here and are free of any responsibilities and commitments. Make sure and tell your friends about this at school Monday.

The irony writes itself, ladies and gentlemen. While tossing in a little bit of ad hominem with it.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Imagine the jobs via internet. Would the job salaries go up to draw people in or down due to the huge amount of new workers?CaptHawkeye

The internet/tech industry is equally as reliant upon oil as any other facet of society. Hell, since most computer compenents are built on and withpetroleum products,(IE: PLASTIC) this industry is going to be among the first to die off.

Hopefully, not the conceiving Nanotechnology along with it.

Pie in the sky. What's the energy return rate of this system? How much energy do you need to put into it to get energy back from it? How is it controlled? How can it be implimented for vehicles and our highly mobile infrastructure?

Yeah it's an ebay link, but it shows the magazine that I skimmed through while on my break at work the other day.

Anyway, I'm interested in the amount of Solar-power satelites and sites we'd need to replace the dependance on oil and gas...and the cost of the switch.

Riding bikes ftw.CrimzonTide

that's what i was thinking

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"]Riding bikes ftw.chrisrooR

that's what i was thinking

Wow we must be geniuses, I was thinking the same thing.

Anyway, I'm interested in the amount of Solar-power satelites and sites we'd need to replace the dependance on oil and gas.

BranKetra

Uh, what?

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

Anyway, I'm interested in the amount of Solar-power satelites and sites we'd need to replace the dependance on oil and gas.

Oleg_Huzwog

Uh, what?

[QUOTE="im_overrated"]I'm engaged, and no kids as of yet. I help support my parents. If all our energy as we know it is going be non-existant, then there's nothign I can do for my kids, other than give them money to help them get started,CaptHawkeye

Money you won't have, that will be totally non value as well. Will you kids be able to eat oil?

which I would do regardless. I also don't own an SUV, I own a very fuel efficient normal-sized car.

Makes no difference. We all use oil. We've all doomed our children and their futures.

I fail to see how you viciously insulting me and my living situation makes you any different...if there's nothing we can do, then you're in the same boat as me.

Except that now you KNOW this is going to happen. You can still prepare YOURSELF for it. Ever wonder what it's like to be Les Stroud?

I guess by attacking me, you feel like you're somehow making a difference, or maybe it makes you feel superior to all the "uninformed" people out there. Whatever the reason, I'm glad you have time to preach about it here and are free of any responsibilities and commitments. Make sure and tell your friends about this at school Monday.

The irony writes itself, ladies and gentlemen. While tossing in a little bit of ad hominem with it.

I knew about this years ago. I've been through college and more, it's not that I'm clueless about it. I'm as prepared as I need to be, and as prepared as I'm going to be. And an ad hominem argument doesn't really matter if your argument was pointless in the first place. You haven't even brought any kind of debate up. You've simply made a thread telling everybody they are idiots, we're all doomed, and there's nothing we can do about it. It serves no purpose. But good luck with your cause.

The idea is send an artificial satelite to orbit earth that can capture much more solar energy than the stuff on the crust. once the energy is converted into viable means for use, it's sent to earth by lasers or something. BranKetra

Wow, that sounds really REALLY inefficient. (and it also sounds vaguely familiar, wasn't there something like that in SimCity?)

You are right let me go invite a fuel source..this post is pointless, cosnidering you are calling us morons. Ultimately, offering no solution other than for us to what? Kill our selves to perserver oil cause mass suicde will limit the amount of cars on the road and less oil being used since less people are working in factorie..

MASS SUICIDE TO PERSERVE OIL thats my plan...

Wow, TC. Just what are you trying to achieve? You're telling everyone that the end of oil is near. Okay. What the hell do you want us to do about?

"OH S--T WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF OIL! S--T WE'RE F--KED!"

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]The idea is send an artificial satelite to orbit earth that can capture much more solar energy than the stuff on the crust. once the energy is converted into viable means for use, it's sent to earth by lasers or something. Oleg_Huzwog

Wow, that sounds really REALLY inefficient. (and it also sounds vaguely familiar, wasn't there something like that in SimCity?)

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="im_overrated"]I'm engaged, and no kids as of yet. I help support my parents. If all our energy as we know it is going be non-existant, then there's nothign I can do for my kids, other than give them money to help them get started,im_overrated

Money you won't have, that will be totally non value as well. Will you kids be able to eat oil?

which I would do regardless. I also don't own an SUV, I own a very fuel efficient normal-sized car.

Makes no difference. We all use oil. We've all doomed our children and their futures.

I fail to see how you viciously insulting me and my living situation makes you any different...if there's nothing we can do, then you're in the same boat as me.

Except that now you KNOW this is going to happen. You can still prepare YOURSELF for it. Ever wonder what it's like to be Les Stroud?

I guess by attacking me, you feel like you're somehow making a difference, or maybe it makes you feel superior to all the "uninformed" people out there. Whatever the reason, I'm glad you have time to preach about it here and are free of any responsibilities and commitments. Make sure and tell your friends about this at school Monday.

The irony writes itself, ladies and gentlemen. While tossing in a little bit of ad hominem with it.

I knew about this years ago. I've been through college and more, it's not that I'm clueless about it. I'm as prepared as I need to be, and as prepared as I'm going to be. And an ad hominem argument doesn't really matter if your argument was pointless in the first place. You haven't even brought any kind of debate up. You've simply made a thread telling everybody they are idiots, we're all doomed, and there's nothing we can do about it. It serves no purpose. But good luck with your cause.

And as I thought, everyone has happily ignored the issue and just decided to attack my delivery instead.

maybe you should take a quick look at this they find more oil everydayLS07

maybe you should take a quick look at this they find more oil everydayLS07

No they don't. They find one pitifully small well or useless deposit 6 miles beneath the ocean floor every now and then. OPEC itself stated that not a single new, signifigant, oil well discovery has been made since 1961. All of these "new wells" the media likes to brag about finding every few years are puddles. That's it. In fact, it's been found that it actually takes 6 barrels of oil to locate 1. It has actually become inefficient to look for more oil.

Not happening anytime soon.Godly_Cure

According to research, it's already happened. The beginning of the worst effects are going to start hitting us within 10 years.

In fact, it's been found that it actually takes 6 barrels of oil to locate 1. It has actually become inefficient to look for more oil.CaptHawkeye

That sounds like a sketchy "fact". Source?

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]In fact, it's been found that it actually takes 6 barrels of oil to locate 1. It has actually become inefficient to look for more oil.Oleg_Huzwog

That sounds like a sketchy "fact". Source?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1233533,00.html

The world's problem is as follows. We now consume six barrels of oil for every new barrel we discover. Major oil finds (of over 500m barrels) peaked in 1964. In 2000, there were 13 such discoveries, in 2001 six, in 2002 two and in 2003 none. Three major new projects will come onstream in 2007 and three in 2008. For the following years, none have yet been scheduled. The Article

The article excerpt you posted does not support your claim that it takes 6 barrels of oil to locate 1. It only says we consume more than we newly discover at a rate of 6 barrels to 1.

No one is going to do anything about it. The 3rd World War is going to be fought over oil. The US already knows this which is why we are trying our damnest to get a hold over Iraq, to get a beach head in the most oil rich area of the world.

I do think we need to find another source besides fossil fuel. Look at Brazil they are totally energy independant using ethenol fuel. Why can't the US do the same thing? Oh yeah because the corporations are holding our government by the balls.

The article excerpt you posted does not support your claim that it takes 6 barrels of oil to locate 1. It only says we consume more than we newly discover at a rate of 6 barrels to 1.

Oleg_Huzwog

http://www.nytimes.com/financialtimes/business/FT20041010_7135_200375.html?_r=1&oref=login&oref=slogin

Do you understand now? Finding new, signifigant oil reserves has become so rare that companies end up wasting far more gas looking for them than they get. Hence failing the concept of "cheap energy".

My response is simple: I'll probably be dead before then. Tough break.

You're going to be dead in less than 3 years?

I do think we need to find another source besides fossil fuel. Look at Brazil they are totally energy independant using ethenol fuel. Why can't the US do the same thing? Oh yeah because the corporations are holding our government by the balls.

They still recieve vast amounts of first world aid and are deeply invested in first world support. Brazil uses most ofits farmland to produce its ethanol, and those crops are planted, protected, harvested, and cultivated bymachinery which uses fossilfuels.Besides, world crops and food production just barely make the feed cut as it is. We CANNOT throw industry on top of it and hope to god world crops will suddenly be granted a thermodynamics defying energy boost.