Which one? I consider it on the deviding line, not really either or, but it has characteristics of both.
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Which one? I consider it on the deviding line, not really either or, but it has characteristics of both.
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I can't believe this kind of discussion is still going on these days. I've lived in So. California most of my life but I did spend three years of my mid-teens in a small mountain town in Utah. Other than a few teachers being fairly outwardly conservative, I found the people there much the same as anyplace else I've lived and their church services seem little different to me from my private school Episcopalian church services except they were a little longer as after the preacher does his thing a different person each week from the community would also have some time to speak their mind. They seem to consider the occasional reports of old school polygamists as weirdos and they drank like you wouldn't believe.
Also the entire high school held a city wide water balloon/gun/what have you fight at the end of the school year...but I think that's mainly a small town thing.
I respect some aspects of it, but in my opinion it is a cult. A person has to jump through a bunch of hoops to even qualifiy as a member, which is not biblical in the slightest. What creeps me out is the way the LDS leaders always speak in a slow and creepy manner and the way that the missionaries are trained to formulate arguments.
I respect some aspects of it, but in my opinion it is a cult. A person has to jump through a bunch of hoops to even qualifiy as a member, which is not biblical in the slightest. What creeps me out is the way the LDS leaders always speak in a slow and creepy manner and the way that the missionaries are trained to formulate arguments.
dracula_16
If by "hoops" you mean they want you to study their scripture and demonstrate a knowledge of their beliefs then...yes. After that all they do is have you kneel and a couple of brothers will lay their hands on your whilst they pray and "whallah" you're in. There's really nothing mysterious going on there. I decided not to join the religion after a couple of brothers gave me their spiel on their origins and beliefs and I never heard another word about it. Nobody treated me any differently and nobody tried to push their religious beliefs even in a small town full of Mormons.
Cults are significantly more strict, with a very high emphasis on community. Usually cults have leaders, either single characters or a small group. These leaders often control the finances, morals, and even day-to-day activities of the cult's members. Sometimes the leaders claim to be messianic figures or the physical embodiment of God or Jesus returned or something like that. They cut off their communities from outside communication and instill the idea that the "Outside" is evil, corrupt, and completely against them to discourage anyone from leaving the group. Cult leaders will often abuse their positions, hoarding the community's money, having sex with the women of the cult (including children), and living lasciviously when stressing humility and poverty in their followers. Cults are usually much smaller than mainstream religions (they have to be, in order to function correctly), but there are some exceptions; the Church of Scientology, for example, is a particularly huge cult. Most cults pop as "sub-sects" of mainstream religions (some cults are sub-Mormon, for example) rather than completely original ideas (as an original idea is harder to get people to believe in). Occasionally a cult will have devoted leaders who honestly believe the crazy crap they preach (like suicide cults). These cults retain their status as cults because they incorporate the same psychological (and, oftentimes, physical) abuses of their followers. Mainstream religions cannot be equated to cults.I'm not clear on what the difference is between a religion and a cult.
Palantas
mmm how do you classify a religion where they believe that a random guy found gold plaque in the forest that claim that the white people were the first inhabitant on North America... :roll:
Franko_3
Hmm, they came from Jerusalem. I highly doubt they were white.
Didn't they recently discover that the Native American Indians actually descended from Asians?mmm how do you classify a religion where they believe that a random guy found gold plaque in the forest that claim that the white people were the first inhabitant on North America... :roll:
Franko_3
Unless I am mistaken, it is a religion. (albeit with some interesting quirks relative to modern western society)
Religion. They have some ideas that I don't agree with (and some of those ideas are restricted to the crazies, not the everyday mormons) but it's no crazier than any other religion from my experience.XilePrincessWhat about the magic underwear? All mormons believe that.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Franko_3"]Didn't they recently discover that the Native American Indians actually descended from Asians? That discovery is not recent at all. No. Yet BYU still refuses put forth any real answers on that issue. From what I've read, they basically tell anyone who doubts in their church not to worry because the biologists at BYU are well aware of this fact, and it does not concern them. BYU scientists have put forth several weak criticism of the way the genetic testings on the Indians functioned, saying that the results were flawed. But anyone with even a moderate knowledge of biology would understand genetics shows the Native Americans are not descended from the Middle East.mmm how do you classify a religion where they believe that a random guy found gold plaque in the forest that claim that the white people were the first inhabitant on North America... :roll:
thegerg
Let's see, when Abraham said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Moses said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Jesus claimed to be the son of god and claimed the father spoke to him, it's believable.
When Muhammed claimed that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Joeseph Smith claimed that god spoke to him, now suddenly he's starting a cult.
Let's see, when Abraham said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Moses said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Jesus claimed to be the son of god and claimed the father spoke to him, it's believable.
When Muhammed claimed that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Joeseph Smith claimed that god spoke to him, now suddenly he's starting a cult.
theone86
well, people have come a long way in the past 1500+ years. Back then, they'd believe anything because, hey, life was crap and they would take anything they could get.
now life is good, people can work and obtain what they want...religion is not a necessity like it was, so yeah...not believable nowadays nor for the past 200 years.
perhaps the one and only time ive agreed with you ever. and about the biological indian links the reason for contention is that fact that so few now days are PURE indian blood if there are any like that and really its the same for a lot of countries a PURE blood line of that nationality is normally that the norm. so like most of us in america we have like 12 different blood lines mixed in making it rather difficult to completely pinpoint the indians came from israel or asia for 100% certainity. the indian bloodline these days probably has both in them.Let's see, when Abraham said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Moses said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Jesus claimed to be the son of god and claimed the father spoke to him, it's believable.
When Muhammed claimed that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Joeseph Smith claimed that god spoke to him, now suddenly he's starting a cult.
theone86
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Let's see, when Abraham said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Moses said that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Jesus claimed to be the son of god and claimed the father spoke to him, it's believable.
When Muhammed claimed that god spoke to him, it's believable.
When Joeseph Smith claimed that god spoke to him, now suddenly he's starting a cult.
mrbojangles25
well, people have come a long way in the past 1500+ years. Back then, they'd believe anything because, hey, life was crap and they would take anything they could get.
now life is good, people can work and obtain what they want...religion is not a necessity like it was, so yeah...not believable nowadays nor for the past 200 years.
How does that work? People still follow those religions so clearly things are't that different in that regard.
in a religion you cant have wet hair when you go to church, in a cult you must know what robe to wear to the sacrifice ceremonies and what robe to wear to the great punch and pie jamboreeI'm not clear on what the difference is between a religion and a cult.
Palantas
Mormons consider themselves Christian and they're not anymore a cult than any other Christian group.Travo_basiccan they go to church with wet hair?
[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Mormons consider themselves Christian and they're not anymore a cult than any other Christian group.surrealnumber5can they go to church with wet hair? And dry!
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Mormons consider themselves Christian and they're not anymore a cult than any other Christian group.Travo_basiccan they go to church with wet hair? And dry! 1/2 cult!?
a friend of mine always goes to mormon.org to troll in the chat with "if I join you will you tell me how magnets work?People who refuse to tell us the secret of how magnets work :x
kraken2109
It's a religion that is no more nor less valid than any other religion. I find it funny that, in my personal life at least, the people who are most critical of mormonism is other christians.
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