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#1 Jd1680a
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I was watching You Dont Know Jack on HBO about Jack Kevorkian. Jack is a doctor who was called to people's houses to help end their suffering. These people werent pluck on the street and Jack said ok its time. No people who are terminally ill dealing with months beyond months of pain call up Jack to end their lifes so they dont suffer any longer. They dont want to take a gun and shot themselves, they rather go out in a clean way.

It is interesting how everyone who is opposes assisted suicide are people who arent suffering themselves. While in my state, it is now legal for a doctor to prescibe lethal doses of drugs for people to end their lives, there are still many other states who dont. People and the states who still use religion to guide them in their laws, are blocking the option for people to end their lives when they are ill and suffering.

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#2 spazzx625
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Where is the line between assisted suicide and murder? Also, considering Jack Kevorkian was profiting from this, he's not a great philanthropist or humanitarian or anything.
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#3 Xorital
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Be a man and die with the pain instead of ending it yourself.

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#4 Gen_Warbuff
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Where is the line between assisted suicide and murder?spazzx625
Pretty sure that would be the "sign on the dotted line" portion. I am all for it, we as humans should have a choice on these things if we are terminally ill.
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#5 Ontain
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if it's a terminally ill person that is suffering then i don't see why we need to keep them suffering.
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#6 deactivated-5bb421ab1b937
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I watched a documentary called "The Suicide Tourist" on PBS.

The guy flew to switzerland or somewhere where its legal. He had some disease and was paralyzed and could only move his head. He was slowly dying and wanted to die before he would lose the ability to swallow, because then he would not be able to drink the deadly mixture if he waited.

He knew he would die a horrible death if he waited, so a judge or some athority approved his suicide.

I don't see whats so bad about that.

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#7 Lockedge
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Be a man and die with the pain instead of ending it yourself.

Xorital
And if you knew that your body was spiraling out of control and in mere weeks you'd be in a vegetative state, yet healthy enough to still keep living through machinery, mounting up healthcare costs on your family? That there was no way to prevent it from happening aside from assisted suicide? Assisted suicide should always be available. We should have control over our lives and when we want to end it.
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#8 Franklinstein
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I find it funny that the government wants to control things of this nature. While I don't agree personally that any person should end their life, I'd say its not my choice to make for them. It's theirs.
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#9 Dariency
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I would find it acceptable only if the person is terminally ill to end his suffering. Any other reason to commit suicide, assisted or not, isn't a good reason imo.

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#10 super_mario_128
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Be a man and die with the pain instead of ending it yourself.

Xorital
This is the worst thing I have ever read. "Be a man". Lol, I'm sure you'd have no problem withstanding an unbearable degree of pain for an extended period of time.
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#11 fastesttruck
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My thought on assisted suicide, DNR's, all that stuff is this. If we have the right to live (health care...) why don't we have the right to die when we want to and how we want to?
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#12 Snipes_2
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I think any form of suicide is wrong.

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#13 ArmoredAshes
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Where is the line between assisted suicide and murder? Also, considering Jack Kevorkian was profiting from this, he's not a great philanthropist or humanitarian or anything.spazzx625

Legally? Its once you physically insert the needle,pill, liquid, etc into the person for them. Thats what originally got Kevorkian in trouble in the first place. My only thing with PAS (physician assisted suicide) is that its not my place to tell someone they have to live if they don't want to. As long as they aren't ending anyone else's life I see no issue with it.

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#14 lancelot200
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Suicide doesn't hurt other people. Strictly speaking. In my opinion, it could be legalized with a strict code. But it just opens the gate for other **** that is better off closed.

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#15 ArmoredAshes
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I watched a documentary called "The Suicide Tourist" on PBS.

The guy flew to switzerland or somewhere where its legal. He had some disease and was paralyzed and could only move his head. He was slowly dying and wanted to die before he would lose the ability to swallow, because then he would not be able to drink the deadly mixture if he waited.

He knew he would die a horrible death if he waited, so a judge or some athority approved his suicide.

I don't see whats so bad about that.

SupaKoopaTroopa

We had to watch that for my one nursing class. He didn't want to become a spectator in his own life. He had ALS so eventually he would've just suffocated because everything would just become paralyzed. I can understand how that would scare soemone...I just don't know if I would be able to make the same choice.

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#16 Xorital
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[QUOTE="Xorital"]

Be a man and die with the pain instead of ending it yourself.

super_mario_128

This is the worst thing I have ever read. "Be a man". Lol, I'm sure you'd have no problem withstanding an unbearable degree of pain for an extended period of time.

I can thanks for asking.

Edit: I'd want my end to end naturaly, not with the help of someone else. No matter how painful atleast I can say I died with honor and dignity of living through the pain for a short time.

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#17 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="Xorital"]

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Xorital"]

Be a man and die with the pain instead of ending it yourself.

This is the worst thing I have ever read. "Be a man". Lol, I'm sure you'd have no problem withstanding an unbearable degree of pain for an extended period of time.

I can thanks for asking.

Edit: I'd want my end to end naturaly, not with the help of someone else. No matter how painful atleast I can say I died with honor and dignity of living through the pain for a short time.

"Honor and dignity". UGH. Whatever.
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I like helping people...
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#19 Relyontips
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I imagine it would be a bit easier than regular suicide...

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#20 D_Battery
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I think any form of suicide is wrong.

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It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?
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#21 Solid-CELL
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If one of MY FAMILY MEMBERS was terminally ill (god forbid)and was still perfectly sane and wanted to end their own pain and suffering, then i would have to show my love and support them. It's rather harsh to FORCE a terminally ill person (who could be your brother, sister, dad, mom, wife, husband, close friend) to go through surgery, medication, medical machinery, PAIN and them some and still wake up the next day, still feeling like they did yesterday, HORRIBLE. I saw the movie. And Al Pacino is such an amazing, groundbreaking actor. He actually made me care about this guy's belief's and made me carefully think where i stand on the topic. That movie is simply amazing.
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#22 markop2003
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No matter how painful atleast I can say I died with honor and dignity of living through the pain for a short time.Xorital
You can't speak after you die and neither do you have any honour or dignity as you don't exist any more. The only thing that will change is other people's memory of you, which also can't effect you as you're dead, and what they think of you is up to them everyone isn't suddenly going to remember you as a horrible person because you chose to avoid the pain.
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#23 tocklestein2005
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I'm a big fan of it.

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#24 Solid-CELL
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think any form of suicide is wrong.

D_Battery

It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?

If a person is deeply depressed and wants to commit suicide, then he still has a chance to love life and get helped. Dr. Kevorkian did not accept anyone who was only depressed or had more than a year or years to live. He had guidelines to who he picked as valid patients. Which sounds horrible. He did play god in deciding who lives and who dies, so to speak.

But doctors in hospitals do it all the time as well. You have people who have absolutely no brain function, or terminally ill patients who have less than months or weeks to live and have pain all over, who still have feeding tubes because the religious or moral dogma that ending a life has.

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#25 muller39
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If he or she is terminally ill and they want to end their life by assisted suicide I am ok with that.

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#26 Solid-CELL
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[QUOTE="Xorital"]No matter how painful atleast I can say I died with honor and dignity of living through the pain for a short time.markop2003
You can't speak after you die and neither do you have any honour or dignity as you don't exist any more. The only thing that will change is other people's memory of you, which also can't effect you as you're dead, and what they think of you is up to them everyone isn't suddenly going to remember you as a horrible person because you chose to avoid the pain.

Are you compassionate about human life? Then why would you want a person to suffer with a debilitating pain for their whole life? Especially if it's someone you love? Its really not up to you to decide if someone is horrible bc they ended their life. Unless your that person's parent and knew whats was going on in their life before it happens. But you can be a A-Hole and still call them horrible after death. I guess thats you
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#27 D_Battery
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[QUOTE="Solid-CELL"]

[QUOTE="D_Battery"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think any form of suicide is wrong.

It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?

If a person is deeply depressed and wants to commit suicide, then he still has a chance to love life and get helped. Dr. Kevorkian did not accept anyone who was only depressed or had more than a year or years to live. He had guidelines to who he picked as valid patients. Which sounds horrible. He did play god in deciding who lives and who dies, so to speak.

But doctors in hospitals do it all the time as well. You have people who have absolutely no brain function, or terminally ill patients who have less than months or weeks to live and have pain all over, who still have feeding tubes because the religious or moral dogma that ending a life has.

I don't see why the psychiatric state of the patient should matter. If able-bodied depressed people can kill themselves why not lame ones? In this sense I disagree with Kevorkian too.
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#28 deactivated-5bb421ab1b937
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think any form of suicide is wrong.

D_Battery

It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?

that doesn't stop people in the gov from telling us what drugs we can take, what we can drink, what we can smoke, what gender we can be in a relationship with in certain states or any other thing you can imagine doing with your body.

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#29 starfox15
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I'm for all types of suicide so assisted works too.

If I knew I could end my life if I was dying from a terminal untreatable illness and prevent thousands of dollars of medical bills and horrible pain, you better believe I'd do it.

If I ever become involved with someone in a long-term relationship, I'm going to make sure she knows this. If I can't talk for myself anymore, I wish to die. If I can't move anymore, if I can't function anymore, if all I'm becoming is a burden, I don't want to be alive.

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#30 TyrantDragon55
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If the person is going to die (an extremely slow painful death anyway) I believe it'd be more cruel to condemn them to that fate then to just let them end it quickly and painlessly.

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#31 Wolls
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I cant imagine the pain some people must be in to feel theres no other solution left apart from to end it all, still i think if i was in that situation i would like to feel i could take my life into my own hands and end it all.
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#32 Daavpuke
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If by assisted suicide you mean euthanasia, I think that the terms of it should be up for debate. They are very strict now as they are. A writer in Belgium made an excellent book and film about the subject that made you think.
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[QUOTE="Jd1680a"]

I was watching You Dont Know Jack on HBO about Jack Kevorkian. Jack is a doctor who was called to people's houses to help end their suffering. These people werent pluck on the street and Jack said ok its time. No people who are terminally ill dealing with months beyond months of pain call up Jack to end their lifes so they dont suffer any longer. They dont want to take a gun and shot themselves, they rather go out in a clean way.

It is interesting how everyone who is opposes assisted suicide are people who arent suffering themselves. While in my state, it is now legal for a doctor to prescibe lethal doses of drugs for people to end their lives, there are still many other states who dont. People and the states who still use religion to guide them in their laws, are blocking the option for people to end their lives when they are ill and suffering.

IF the said person who wants to die is so sick there in pain all the time i have no problem with it.....
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#34 jimmyjammer69
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As long as it's the clear intention of a person of sound mind, I've nothing against it. I think there's a slippery slope in allowing others to decide when e.g. a loved one's standard of life is worthless though.

When it comes to the law, I don't think that universal legislation can adequately handle such a sensitive and complicated matter and I imagine that it's fairly common procedure in hospitals to invoke the doctrine of double effect to end a patient's suffering without any resulting prosecution.

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#35 redstorm72
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Eh, I'm kind of on the fence with this one. While I think every person has the right to end his or her own life, it gets kind of complicated when involving someone else. It is cruel to keep someone alive when they do not want to be, but assisted suicide could easily be abused. Unless you are completely paralyzed, you really shouldn't need another person to off you. It seems (at least in the media) that a lot of these cases of people wanting assisted suicide are quite capable of doing it themselves but are to afraid or think they are unable to. Eat a bottle of pills, drive your wheel chair off a bridge, shoot your self, whatever, but don't make another person kill you because you didn't have the courage to do it your self. If you couldn't pull the trigger your self it probably means you weren't dedicated to dying after all. That being said, if someone is legitemently unable to end their own life, I'm not opposed to someone set up the circumstances for the person to end their own life, I'm just a little hesitant on someone else actually pulling the trigger.

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#36 MgamerBD
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I believe in it completely. Only if a person is terminally ill, in a vegetated state, or desire it if they can't talk and/or paralyzed. But it must be quick and painless as possible.
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#37 jalexbrown
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I certainly agree with assisted suicide. If someone wishes to end their life, why should to do it with a shotgun or drugs and go out in humiliation and pain? If a person that is old enough to choose to smoke, choose to drink alcohol, choose to have unprotected sex, choose to drive without a seat belt, and choose to join the marines...he's smart enough and conscious enough to decide what he wants to do with his life. If you ridicule him for wanting to die with suicide, why not ridicule everyone killing themselves in the aforementioned manners, some of whom AREN'T trying to die?
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Where is the line between assisted suicide and murder? Also, considering Jack Kevorkian was profiting from this, he's not a great philanthropist or humanitarian or anything.spazzx625

1. The line? suiciders asks for death, murder victimsdo not

2. Jack was doing a job, he has expenses like everyone else.

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I dont see the problem
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#40 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think any form of suicide is wrong.

D_Battery
It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?

A Life is precious, Why waste it if we could at least ease their pain without murdering them?
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#41 coochie_kuta
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Where is the line between assisted suicide and murder? Also, considering Jack Kevorkian was profiting from this, he's not a great philanthropist or humanitarian or anything.spazzx625
if you are good at doing something why not get paid? plus there is a very bold line between assisted suicide and murder. these things arent even in the same universe. they put down dogs to be humane but we are suppose to watch loved ones, wither away and die. and often with LOADS of medical bills that serve only to prolong what is sure to come. there are some nasty diseases out there and allowing someone to choose when they go is more than humane, it should be there right. not everyone wants to go through losing control of their bowels, take 14 different pills just to feel *ok* or ache just from being awake.
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It's only fun in Mw2.

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[QUOTE="D_Battery"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think any form of suicide is wrong.

Snipes_2
It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?

A Life is precious, Why waste it if we could at least ease their pain without murdering them?

Why is self-suicide wrong?
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#44 aransom
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I don't think assisted suicide should be legal. It's not like killing yourself is hard to do.

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#45 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="D_Battery"] It's pretty undesirable, but who are we to say what other people can do with their bodies?

A Life is precious, Why waste it if we could at least ease their pain without murdering them?

Why is self-suicide wrong?

Killing Yourself?
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#46 htekemerald
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Be a man and die with the pain instead of ending it yourself.

Xorital

I would prefer to be a real man and die with a shred of dignity

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#47 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] A Life is precious, Why waste it if we could at least ease their pain without murdering them?

Why is self-suicide wrong?

Killing Yourself?

Yeah. Don't you think that a person has a right to do what they want with their life?
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#48 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Why is self-suicide wrong?

Killing Yourself?

Yeah. Don't you think that a person has a right to do what they want with their life?

They can do what they want, doesn't mean I need to agree with it.
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#49 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Killing Yourself?

Yeah. Don't you think that a person has a right to do what they want with their life?

They can do what they want, doesn't mean I need to agree with it.

Let me ask you this: do you think that they should be allowed to take people to trial for attempted suicide?
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#50 Pixel-Pirate
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I don't see how it's moral to prolong someones suffering and force them to die possibly agonizingly instead of just letting them end it. If an animal is terminally ill and has no chance of survival, they can be put down. This is done to ease suffering. If we can ease the suffering of an animal, why not of a human being?

I see no logical reason as to why someone should be unable to choose to end their own life. It's their life, it should be their choice.