If god existed, why is the world so terrible right now? And its not fair for the relatives of people who died go to hell because they stopped believing in god when a pedophile lured their innocent kids in with a promise of a warm puppy, raped her, and cooked her flesh in a stew.
Mad_Banana
You dont know ****. LOL! "why is the world so terrible right now?"
Well according to Judaism, the gates to heaven are always open, and there is not such thing as hell, only something similar to purgatory. And the max time one can spend there is like 11 months, then it's off to heaven :P.
If god existed, why is the world so terrible right now? And its not fair for the relatives of people who died go to hell because they stopped believing in god when a pedophile lured their innocent kids in with a promise of a warm puppy, raped her, and cooked her flesh in a stew.
Mad_Banana
Where do u get the right to say that that man is too evil to go to heaven? Where do u draw the line between being good and being evil? Where do u get any sence of right or wrong other then your own personal opinion?
If god existed, why is the world so terrible right now? And its not fair for the relatives of people who died go to hell because they stopped believing in god when a pedophile lured their innocent kids in with a promise of a warm puppy, raped her, and cooked her flesh in a stew.
A young man on acid realized that all matter and energy is condensed into a slow vibration and that we are all one mind experience within itself there is no such thing as death life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. So I'm not really sure.
They go to hell, although then again, I was reading the Bible last night, and I found a quote by Jesus that made it seem like everyone is a nonbeliever, even those that claim to be Christians, because they aren't Christ and that if they were a true believer, they would act like Christ, but no one does. I don't remember the verse, but it goes along with "All have fallen short of the grace of God" quote and I found it interesting.
They go to hell, although then again, I was reading the Bible last night, and I found a quote by Jesus that made it seem like everyone is a nonbeliever, even those that claim to be Christians, because they aren't Christ and that if they were a true believer, they would act like Christ, but no one does. I don't remember the verse, but it goes along with "All have fallen short of the grace of God" quote and I found it interesting.Genetic_Code
Well according to Judaism, the gates to heaven are always open, and there is not such thing as hell, only something similar to purgatory. And the max time one can spend there is like 11 months, then it's off to heaven :P.-Sun_Tzu-
Wowee! where do I sign up to be a Jewish non-believer?
[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]They go to hell, although then again, I was reading the Bible last night, and I found a quote by Jesus that made it seem like everyone is a nonbeliever, even those that claim to be Christians, because they aren't Christ and that if they were a true believer, they would act like Christ, but no one does. I don't remember the verse, but it goes along with "All have fallen short of the grace of God" quote and I found it interesting.battlefront23
It's in Romans. And it's glory, not grace. The one about Jesus was not though.
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]They go to hell, although then again, I was reading the Bible last night, and I found a quote by Jesus that made it seem like everyone is a nonbeliever, even those that claim to be Christians, because they aren't Christ and that if they were a true believer, they would act like Christ, but no one does. I don't remember the verse, but it goes along with "All have fallen short of the grace of God" quote and I found it interesting.Genetic_Code
It's in Romans. And it's glory, not grace. The one about Jesus was not though. Show me it.
"The truth is, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father." -John 15:12
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well according to Judaism, the gates to heaven are always open, and there is not such thing as hell, only something similar to purgatory. And the max time one can spend there is like 11 months, then it's off to heaven :P.jimmyjammer69
Wowee! where do I sign up to be a Jewish non-believer? It's not that simple. First you have to give up swine and perform a minor operation on your "manhood". But hey, you gotta do what you gotta do for eternal peace and happiness, am I right or am I right :P ?
"The truth is, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father." -John 15:12 That's talking about nominal Christians... What's the context anyway?
[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]Show me it.battlefront23
"The truth is, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father." -John 15:12 That's talking about nominal Christians... What's the context anyway? I... don't know. This is shortly before Jesus was betrayed so I don't know if that includes Jesus's betrayal. Still, shouldn't that be for every believer and nonbeliever who want to believe?
[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] "The truth is, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father." -John 15:12 That's talking about nominal Christians... What's the context anyway? I... don't know. This is shortly before Jesus was betrayed so I don't know if that includes Jesus's betrayal. Still, shouldn't that be for every believer and nonbeliever who want to believe? Anyone who claims to be a Christian should do what Jesus says... Wait, what Bible is that? My NIV says "My command is this; Love each other as I have loved you." Are you talking about 15:14?
[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] That's talking about nominal Christians... What's the context anyway? I... don't know. This is shortly before Jesus was betrayed so I don't know if that includes Jesus's betrayal. Still, shouldn't that be for every believer and nonbeliever who want to believe? Anyone who claims to be a Christian should do what Jesus says... Wait, what Bible is that? My NIV says "My command is this; Love each other as I have loved you." Are you talking about 15:14? 14:12. The top of my page says 15:12, but both 14 and 15 are on the same page. Sorry for the confusion. Also, it's the New Living Translation.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Well according to Judaism, the gates to heaven are always open, and there is not such thing as hell, only something similar to purgatory. And the max time one can spend there is like 11 months, then it's off to heaven :P.-Sun_Tzu-
Wowee! where do I sign up to be a Jewish non-believer? It's not that simple. First you have to give up swine and perform a minor operation on your "manhood". But hey, you gotta do what you gotta do for eternal peace and happiness, am I right or am I right :P ?Pah! never liked pork anyway. Can I forego the other bit? There's got to be some clever trick with sellotape which would achieve a similar effect. I mean, if I'm off to heaven regardless, I'm sure I'll be forgiven a wee snip.
38你们听见有话说：以眼还眼，以牙还牙。 You have heard that it was said.'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' 39只是我告诉你们，不要与恶人作对。有人打你的右脸，连左脸也转过来由他打； But I say to you,Do not resist an evildoer.But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek,turn the other also. 40有人想要告你，要拿你的里衣，连外衣也由他拿去； and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat.give your cloak as well 41有人强逼你走一里路，你就同他走二里； and if anyone forces you to go one mile,go also the second mile. 42有求你的，就给他；有向你借贷的，不可推辞。 Give to everyone who begs from you,and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you 43你们听见有话说：当爱你的邻舍，恨你的仇敌。 You have heard that it was said.'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44只是我告诉你们，要爱你们的仇敌，为那逼迫你们的祷告。 But I say to you,Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you 45这样就可以作你们天父的儿子；因为他叫日头照好人，也照歹人；降雨给义人，也给不义的人。 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven;for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good.and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrightous 46你们若单爱那爱你们的人，有甚麼赏赐呢？就是税吏不也是这样行麼？ FOr if you love those who love you .what reward do you have?Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47你们若单请你弟兄的安，比人有甚麼长处呢？就是外邦人不也是这样行麼？ And if you greet only your brothers and sisters,what more are you doing than others?Do not even the Gentiles do the same 48所以，你们要完全，像你们的天父完全一样。 Be perfect,thereforce,as your heavenly Father is perfect. what will the world be like?
[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] I... don't know. This is shortly before Jesus was betrayed so I don't know if that includes Jesus's betrayal. Still, shouldn't that be for every believer and nonbeliever who want to believe? Anyone who claims to be a Christian should do what Jesus says... Wait, what Bible is that? My NIV says "My command is this; Love each other as I have loved you." Are you talking about 15:14? 14:12. The top of my page says 15:12, but both 14 and 15 are on the same page. Sorry for the confusion. Also, it's the New Living Translation. I asked my dad and he said that Jesus isn't talking about salvation here; He is talking about how if his disciples love Him, they will do what He does.
I asked my dad and he said that Jesus isn't talking about salvation here; He is talking about how if his disciples love Him, they will do what He does.battlefront23
Oh, well me being the skeptic will still assume that what Jesus told the disciples was meant to be spread along with the rest of the good news he brought.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Wowee! where do I sign up to be a Jewish non-believer?jimmyjammer69
It's not that simple. First you have to give up swine and perform a minor operation on your "manhood". But hey, you gotta do what you gotta do for eternal peace and happiness, am I right or am I right :P ?Pah! never liked pork anyway. Can I forego the other bit? There's got to be some clever trick with sellotape which would achieve a similar effect. I mean, if I'm off to heaven regardless, I'm sure I'll be forgiven a wee snip. I don't know, you're kinda pushing the envelope a wee bit don't cha think?
[QUOTE="battlefront23"]I asked my dad and he said that Jesus isn't talking about salvation here; He is talking about how if his disciples love Him, they will do what He does.Genetic_Code
Oh, well me being the skeptic will still assume that what Jesus told the disciples was meant to be spread along with the rest of the good news he brought. But if that was the case, why would He die for believing sinners? That's why I also think He meant what I already posted...
As long as they're a good person, if there is an afterlife then they would be rewarded in it. A God wouldn't be that narcissistic and all those rules about heavan and the afterlife is crap man made up.
[QUOTE="battlefront23"]I asked my dad and he said that Jesus isn't talking about salvation here; He is talking about how if his disciples love Him, they will do what He does.Genetic_Code
Oh, well me being the skeptic will still assume that what Jesus told the disciples was meant to be spread along with the rest of the good news he brought. I just read it and it doesn't deal with the salvation. Jesus would like all of us to do good works and be like Him but we will never be that way. So, basically he is only asking us to try and be as good as possible but even when we fail at that we will still go to heaven if we believe in Jesus Christ. But John 14:12 does NOT deal with what humans need to do to get salvation.
As long as they're a good person, if there is an afterlife then they would be rewarded in it. A God wouldn't be that narcissistic and all those rules about heavan and the afterlife is crap man made up.R0cky_Racc00n
How do u know what God would or wouldn't do? he does have justification for not allowing anyone in heaven no matter what religion u are.
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