What I think the truth to christianity is(long, but expressful read)....

This seems like a blog, but I'm posting here becuase I want people to discuss what they think.

They have a word to describe somone like me, I forget what it is, but I'm a person who is into a religion, but has their own beleifs in that religion. That is how I am with christianity and I'd like to express my views. After going to both catholic and luthern schools my whole life (currently in 2nd year of public HS school),I know the religion thuroughly and deep.

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands. These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives. If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy. Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god. We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you percieve them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

They have a word to describe someone like me, I forget what it is, but I'm a person who is into a religion, but has their own beliefs in that religion. 

GIJesse77

There is not much to discuss. :|

Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. THETRUEDOZAH

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

How Do you explain Miracles then? if you beleive in them. If what you are saying is true, how do you explain things that dont seem so human? (good things) idk how to word what im trying to say, but in my opinion i think your wrong

How Do you explain Miracles then? if you beleive in them. If what you are saying is true, how do you explain things that dont seem so human? (good things) idk how to word what im trying to say, but in my opinion i think your wrong

maddnica23

How Do you explain Miracles then? if you beleive in them. If what you are saying is true, how do you explain things that dont seem so human? (good things) idk how to word what im trying to say, but in my opinion i think your wrong

maddnica23

I don't know what you would classify as a miracle, but you have to look at the negatives aswell.

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. THETRUEDOZAH

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

as a matter of fact, some of the most heinous and barbaric actions ever done by humanity was perpetuated in the name of christianity. you are wrong multiplied by wrongness.THETRUEDOZAH

How Do you explain Miracles then? if you beleive in them. If what you are saying is true, how do you explain things that dont seem so human? (good things) idk how to word what im trying to say, but in my opinion i think your wrong

maddnica23

never mind, none of you understand.GIJesse77

You Cant say we dont understand, just because we're not agreeing with your beleifs or we're expressing ours.

as a matter of fact, some of the most heinous and barbaric actions ever done by humanity was perpetuated in the name of christianity. you are wrong multiplied by wrongness.THETRUEDOZAH

Cases Years [2] Democide [3]

China221 B.C.-19 C. A.D.33,519,000[4]Mongols14 C-15 C29,927,000 Slavery of Africans1451-187017,267,000

Amer-Indians16 C-19 C13,778,000 Thirty Years War 1618-16485,750,000 In India13 C-1 9 C4,511,000[5] In Iran5 C-19 C2,000,000[4,5]Ottoman Empire 12 C-19 C2,000,000 [5]In Japan 1570-19 C1,500,000 [5] In Russia10 C-19 C1,007,000 [5]Christian Crusades 1095-12721,000,000 By Aztecs Centuries1,000,000 [6] Spanish Inquisition16 C-18 C350,000 French Revolution1793-1794263,000 Albigensian Crusade1208-1249200,000 Witch Hunts15 C-17 C100,000

Total For All Cases pre-20 C133,147,000 Hypothetical Total 30 C B.C.-19 C A.D.625,716,000[7]

International war-related dead30 C B.C.-19 C A.D.40,457,000[8]Plague dead (Black Death)541 A.D.-1912102,070,000[

How many death involved Relgion? only 3 percent.

TABLE 1.2
20th Century Democide [1]

REGIMES YEARS DEMOCIDE [2]

U.S.S.R.1917-8761,911,000 China (PRC)1949-8735,236,000 Germany 1933-4520,946,000 China (KMT)1928-4910,075,000Japan 1936-455,964,000 China (Mao Soviets) [3]1923-493,466,000 Cambodia1975-792,035,000 Turkey (Armenian Genocide) 1909-181,883,000 Vietnam 1945-871,670,000 Poland 1945-481,585,000 Pakistan 1958-871,503,000 Yugoslavia (Tito) 1944-871,072,000 North Korea 1948-871,663,000 Mexico 1900-201,417,000 Russia 1900-171,066,000 China (Warlords) 1917-49910,000 Turkey (Ataturk) 1919-23878,000 United Kingdom 1900-87816,000 Portugal (Dictatorship)1926-82741,000 Indonesia1965-87729,000 LESSER MURDERERS 1900-872,792,000 WORLD TOTAL 1900-87169,202,000

It turns out that religious democide doesn't even make the top 20 (surprising) Its less than 2 percent yet in fact, the top two killers were specifically atheistic states. Should atheism be blamed for these acts? Of course not. Your point goes both ways.

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]never mind, none of you understand.maddnica23

You Cant say we dont understand, just because we're not agreeing with your beleifs or we're expressing ours.

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. THETRUEDOZAH

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

I'm Atheist for the most part. I'm also 10 percent Scientologist in the fact that I think Xenu kicks ass. I mean, sending psychologists into volcanoes? I think sending anybody into a volcano is ****ing brilliant.Greatgone12

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. THETRUEDOZAH

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

Then Why bother saying that we should be kind to our neighbor? Give money to charity? It is meant to keep people from ripping at one another's troats.

Theres a darkside to Christianity just as there is a dark side to Islam, but there is the majority who actually use the teachings of the bible or the Koran to make themselves better people

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. Anamosa41

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. GIJesse77

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. Luminouslight

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

Then Why bother saying that we should be kind to our neighbor? Give money to charity? It is meant to keep people from ripping at one another's troats.

Theres a darkside to Christianity just as there is a dark side to Islam, but there is the majority who actually use the teachings of the bible or the Koran to make themselves better people

[QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. Anamosa41

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

Then Why bother saying that we should be kind to our neighbor? Give money to charity? It is meant to keep people from ripping at one another's troats.

Theres a darkside to Christianity just as there is a dark side to Islam, but there is the majority who actually use the teachings of the bible or the Koran to make themselves better people

I am only saying that there are people who make religous institutions, such as the Klu Klux Klan... etc... Most Christians are very nice people but people tend to be so close minded about religon because the few who use it badly.

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

GIJesse77

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

I'm Atheist for the most part. I'm also 10 percent Scientologist in the fact that I think Xenu kicks ass. I mean, sending psychologists into volcanoes? I think sending anybody into a volcano is ****ing brilliant.Greatgone12

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

JadedEagle04

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

[QUOTE="Greatgone12"]I'm Atheist for the most part. I'm also 10 percent Scientologist in the fact that I think Xenu kicks ass. I mean, sending psychologists into volcanoes? I think sending anybody into a volcano is ****ing brilliant.Anamosa41

arguing religion with a believer is alot like trying to change the direction of the wind with a fly-swatterTHETRUEDOZAH

Its kinda funny, I am not really a believer.

[QUOTE="JadedEagle04"]

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

GIJesse77

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

[QUOTE="JadedEagle04"]

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

GIJesse77

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

Child, how old are you? Have you understood anything I've written, or for that matter even read? I even gave you examples, you say you are happy correct? I say to you, why are you happy? Are you pretending to be happy right now because you are trying to prove to yourself that I am wrong? Or are you happy because of your physical good? What if those goods were stripped away from you in a split second; would you still be happy then? By your own definition you would be creating your own hell because you were not happy because you did not love everything, as a result of something you could not have controlled (such as flash flood which has just totalled your home and you have no insurance and no one cares about you because you are deemed insignificant to the other 7 billion people on this planet.

I suggest for you to read the book of Job (pronounced Jhobe) in the Old Testament.

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"][QUOTE="JadedEagle04"]

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

JadedEagle04

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

Child, how old are you? Have you understood anything I've written, or for that matter even read? I even gave you examples, you say you are happy correct? I say to you, why are you happy? Are you pretending to be happy right now because you are trying to prove to yourself that I am wrong? Or are you happy because of your physical good? What if those goods were stripped away from you in a split second; would you still be happy then? By your own definition you would be creating your own hell because you were not happy because you did not love everything, as a result of something you could not have controlled (such as flash flood which has just totalled your home and you have no insurance and no one cares about you because you are deemed insignificant to the other 7 billion people on this planet.

I suggest for you to read the book of Job (pronounced Jhobe) in the Old Testament.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"][QUOTE="Luminouslight"]

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]Christianity is the 'kool-aid' that distorts a persons perception to acknowledgethe real state of existance and also tolerate the reprehensible things that mankind has been responsible for in the past and perpetuates to this day. Luminouslight

But it also gives us ethics of right and wrong. Your naming all the negatives while there are some good things about it too. If we had no religon back in the day, people would be killing, stealling, etc alot more.

True believers in a faith like Christianity are less likely to commit crimes than for say a Aseist. Greeks kept themselves in check by believing in gods. They would do less crimes to avoid being sent to Tartarus... for example.

Then Why bother saying that we should be kind to our neighbor? Give money to charity? It is meant to keep people from ripping at one another's troats.

Theres a darkside to Christianity just as there is a dark side to Islam, but there is the majority who actually use the teachings of the bible or the Koran to make themselves better people

I am only saying that there are people who make religous institutions, such as the Klu Klux Klan... etc... Most Christians are very nice people but people tend to be so close minded about religon because the few who use it badly.

[QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]arguing religion with a believer is alot like trying to change the direction of the wind with a fly-swatterLuminouslight

Its kinda funny, I am not really a believer.

Very truthful, molecuar science would agree with you too. Truly, by swinging a fly swatter through the air that is coming at you, the gas particles in the air that have collided with the particles in your fly swatter have changed direction to the opposite direction because the force you manifested through the explosive energy of your mitochondria in your cells is greater than the force propelling that wind to go in that direction; then again from a particles viewpoint, what direction does there exist; left? right? up, down? then again we cannot even see them with the naked eye.

[QUOTE="JadedEagle04"][QUOTE="GIJesse77"][QUOTE="JadedEagle04"]

[QUOTE="GIJesse77"]

Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

GIJesse77

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

Child, how old are you? Have you understood anything I've written, or for that matter even read? I even gave you examples, you say you are happy correct? I say to you, why are you happy? Are you pretending to be happy right now because you are trying to prove to yourself that I am wrong? Or are you happy because of your physical good? What if those goods were stripped away from you in a split second; would you still be happy then? By your own definition you would be creating your own hell because you were not happy because you did not love everything, as a result of something you could not have controlled (such as flash flood which has just totalled your home and you have no insurance and no one cares about you because you are deemed insignificant to the other 7 billion people on this planet.

I suggest for you to read the book of Job (pronounced Jhobe) in the Old Testament.

You feel good? Feeling good is a biological response; why are you happy? You haven't answered that for me.

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Tell you the truth, I don't really think there is a physical heaven and hell, devil, physical god, and so on. I beleive the bible and Jesus spoke in metaphors and theology. There is this real famous qoute from the bible saying that god so loved the world that he gave his only son that who so ever beleives in him shall receive the kingdom of heaven. This has been interpreted as that god is a judgemental, physical force who sent his human and godly son Jesus to forgive our sins, and that beleiving in his word, we will go to a peaceful realm of heaven after our death. This is the basis of the whole religion upon where everything works

JadedEagle04

God is not limited by the physical limits of our universe. Jesus spoke in metaphors in order to get the people who listened to think of the meaning and importance of what was meant behind the parable; this is said in the Gospels when an apostle asks.

Now ,here are my views. I don't think Jesus was godly and above everyone else, he was just a simple human being that knew how life worked and could bend it into shapes. Jesus, though, was very smart and smarter than many people. In fact, he was so smart that he is exalted as being godly and having special god powers so that he could calm a raging, storming sea by just raising his hands.

GIJesse77

Actually, if you had read properly, Jesus always humbled himself (even before his death); that was one of the most important things Jesus was teacing, to humble yourself and not to exalt your self; meaning to put your self last, by placing greater importance on the needs of others before yours.

"He was a simple human being"? Who defines how simple/complex a person is? You? I thought you just said Jesus was smart. What do you mean he knew how "life worked and could bend it into shapes". Bend what into shapes?

These weren't special powers, he just knew that life is how we perceive it and that it is just our minds that change these perspectives.

GIJesse77

You seem to have understood that theme properly, however if you read properly all these things that Jesus did are possible by anyone, not by "willpower" (that you seem to so closely tie into the Matrix movie) but by faith in God and through the Holy Spirit. That is because "the flesh is weak":

Mark 14:38

38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 26:41

41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

If we beleive that only he could minipulate water or cure diseases and not us, than there we go, we cannot. We can all do these things and he even says that we can by telling us that not just him, but all of us are god's children. Now god; god isn't a judgmental force, he isn't even a force. God is everything. I guess you could say that matrix is word to describe god. Jesus taught us to love god which meant love everything. Love yourself, love your neighbor, love your enemies, and just love everything. Feel no hate, worry, sadness, or any sort of discomfort other than love. Yet again, our minds percieve everything we want it to and if we have a loving perspective, we're happy.Don't you like being happy? Happiness just makes everything peaceful and nice. When we are happy, we feel good and calm. When Jesus says that we will acheive the kingdom of heaven, I think he really means we will achieve hapiness. His teachings are basically a guide to happiness. Things like sins and the devil are what make us not happy. He teaches that sinning is all made by the devil and that from sinning, we go to hell. People will say when they are in denial or depressed or sad that they are in a living hell. Well, this is actualy what Jesus was talking about, that we put ourselves in hell when we are not happy, and when you are in hell, everything is bad and scary and painful. You hate and despise everything, which is god, and therfore are in hell.

GIJesse77

"he isn't even a force. God is everything" If God is everything then how can he not be a force? You seem to be mixing in many different beliefs to come up with something; a certain bit of pagan beliefs.

You then equate "Loving oneself" as equal to "loving your enemies and others". Once again, that is incorrect, if you love yourself as much as you love your neighbors then your only loving your neighbors because you love yourself; that is an incorrect belief.

If love for onself is = to love of others and = to love of enemies then you are not really showing what love is; that is incorrect. There are two kinds of love; one a biological response and the other a metaphysical response. Of course you are familiar with both hopefully, the biological love is the type you get when you feel light hearted, longing for the person you think you love and other symptoms as a result of your synapses and brain releasing different chemicals; that my friend is one kind of love, the kind of love that you currently think is true at the time of you writing this.

The other kind of love, which Jesus explicitly taught about, was the love you have for others. As I stated earlier, putting yourself last and helping others, loving your enemies; to love someone that despises you. That is true love; think about it. Is that not the love a real marriage/family consist of? Putting yourself last for your family's sake. What would show more love? Sharing food with someone who has none and has no means of acquiring food, or sharing the same amount of food with someone who has some already? Or better yet, sharing food when neither you nor the other person can spare to have any; the key here is SACRIFICE.

This is just the basics to life Jesus was teaching us. Life is all about being happy and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy? We can achieve heaven by loving god.We put ourselves in hell when we don't love everything, or in other words, god. What the ultimate factor is that we need to understand is that only you can make whatever happens in your life and its just your perception that is what makes you happy or not. Bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them.

God is everything, Heaven is happiness, hell is depression and denial, sins are things that make us depressed, and Jesus was no different than you or me. All that is being and everything had sent Jesus who is the son of god, just as how we are all of god's children too, to tell us that by loving everything, we will be happy. It was the word, it was the good news, and this is how we are suppose abide our lives to.

Now there, go and discuss what you think or need to say.

GIJesse77

Life is all about being happy, and what point is there to be living if you aren't happy. Can you personally always be happy? Your answer of course is no, one cannot always be happy. Then what point is there for you to live? The point for you to live is to attain that happiness; however once again we have to distinguish between the happiness taught in the Bible and 21st century's man's definition of happiness. Is happiness attaining earthly wealth; attaining earthly goods (50" plasma televisions, that new Mercedes Benz, collections etc.). The answer to that is simple; No, happiness is not attaining physical wealth, because once you have attained wealth you are no longer satisfied, once more needed ever more wealth to get the impression of happiness. Therefore the kind of happiness you are referring to is not the one that is being referred to in the Bible, and thus you have gotten the wrong idea of many things.

Another question, can you as a person who have no means to live because you are consistently in famine and on the verge of death daily be happy? By your own definition, the answer would be that "you would be putting yourself in hell because you do not love everything". There is your mistake; you try to equate these two ideas to a physical world.

You say "[...]bad or good things happen because that is how you perceive them." I ask you the following, if I perceive that the way for me to attain happiness was by committing serious sin, such as killing others for wealth, then it is your duty to accept that and perceive it from my point of view that, "yes it really is okay because that is how he perceives happiness". Right?

In conclusions, I think you might be on the right track, but you need some guidance, it is most likely your instructors that taught you wrong. Keep reading your Bible and pray for guidance when reading to understand. In no way do I mean to offend you, on the contrary, I am trying to help you.

Child, how old are you? Have you understood anything I've written, or for that matter even read? I even gave you examples, you say you are happy correct? I say to you, why are you happy? Are you pretending to be happy right now because you are trying to prove to yourself that I am wrong? Or are you happy because of your physical good? What if those goods were stripped away from you in a split second; would you still be happy then? By your own definition you would be creating your own hell because you were not happy because you did not love everything, as a result of something you could not have controlled (such as flash flood which has just totalled your home and you have no insurance and no one cares about you because you are deemed insignificant to the other 7 billion people on this planet.

I suggest for you to read the book of Job (pronounced Jhobe) in the Old Testament.

You feel good? Feeling good is a biological response; why are you happy? You haven't answered that for me.

Very expressful...xaos