What if prisoners fought our wars?

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#1 DangerHiVoltage
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im sure theyd prefer it to serving time in jail, and given the fact these guys usually do nothing but workout and fight and thirst for blood theyd probably do better than the soldiers in combat.

i know its more complicated than im making it out to be, what if theyd try escaping, or turn on eachother/their superiors? forget all that, cause those are the most obvious responses i am expecting.

of course they would have to be castrated first but its better than pretending prison is doing them any form of rehabillitation.

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#2 dunl12496
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Nah, people fight better when it's for a cause.

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#3 Espada12
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I don't think giving prisoners military training is a good idea.

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#4 Ravensmash
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What a good idea, giving convicted criminals firearms, training (like Espada said), and freedom to move around in an environment where they can't exactly be supervised.
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#5 MetroidPrimePwn
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Terrible, terrible idea.

Now, having them fight in an Arena, that is a fantastic idea.

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#6 jeremiah06
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Terrible, terrible idea.

Now, having them fight in an Arena, that is a fantastic idea.

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I'd pay to see that...
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#7 sinpkr
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yes lets give the ppl we put in prison weapons...why dont u just go ahead and put a gun in their hand and tell them to shoot u . it would be faster and have the same end result

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#8 Cruse34
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well the US would lose because the people from prisons in other countires would be outstandly tougher

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#9 HoolaHoopMan
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If the goal is to train and arm a group of thugs/killers in order to devastate and pillage an entire nation with out remorse, then OK.
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#10 Bedizen
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If we give convicts access heavy weapons, it must be televised.

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#11 stanleycup98
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I don't know how much motivation prisoners would have to support the government.
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#12 cd_rom
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Better idea. Put LSD is all the enemy's water supplies.
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#13 metroidfood
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of course they would have to be castrated first

DangerHiVoltage

Wait, what?

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#14 cd_rom
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[QUOTE="DangerHiVoltage"]

of course they would have to be castrated first

metroidfood

Wait, what?

HA! I stopped reading too soon.
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#15 muller39
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I don't think giving prisoners military training is a good idea.

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I am thinking along these lines as well. An uprising would be the first thing on their minds.
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#16 DangerHiVoltage
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="DangerHiVoltage"]

of course they would have to be castrated first

cd_rom

Wait, what?

HA! I stopped reading too soon.

raping in foreign land is a big enough problem with normal soldiers. prisoners would be more than relentless.
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#17 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="cd_rom"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Wait, what?

DangerHiVoltage

HA! I stopped reading too soon.

raping in foreign land is a big enough problem with normal soldiers. prisoners would be more than relentless.

You say it like it's a bad thing...

Obligatory: :P

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#18 Konekomaru
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I don't see the problem with giving convicts training and guns. Oh, wait... Nope. Still not seeing it.
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#19 Half-Way
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ya instead of solving a problem, lets just make it worse :P sounds like a great idea!

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#20 mrbojangles25
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why would prisoners fight for a society they have shunned, and been punished by?

no thanks, I'd rather stay in jail and alive for 20 years than risk getting killed and have a chance of parole in 5.

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#22 XxspritexX
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Better idea. Put LSD is all the enemy's water supplies.cd_rom
They put LSD over villages but not in their water supply. :P
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#23 Sword-Demon
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do I hear a reality tv show producer thanking you for his next paycheck?

yes... I believe I do.

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#24 ToastRider11
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Interesting idea but I don't think that could ever work. Its not a good idea to have psychotic serial killers serve in our military and fight our wars.

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#25 Rckstrchik
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This could work...if explosive collars were employed.

Then whenever any convicts do wrong, they could just set off the collar.

There ya go, Problem solved! :D

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#27 Vesica_Prime
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Why not just call the Taliban then?

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#28 quatoe
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Why not just call the Taliban then?

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My thoughts exactly.
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#29 TINYOWNSYOU
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How would we force them to do it?

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#30 Wilfred_Owen
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How would we force them to do it?

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#31 Big_Bad_Sad
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im sure theyd prefer it to serving time in jail

DangerHiVoltage
I'd much rather serve time in jail than fight on the front lines. Half of them would probably desert any way.
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#32 Vesica_Prime
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[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]

How would we force them to do it?

Wilfred_Owen

"Big" Bubba is there for a reason.

Do we have "Bigger" Bubba to keep Big Bubba in line?

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#33 Serraph105
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what if we put prisoners on their own continent and they formed one of the better places to live in the world?

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#34 MgamerBD
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what if we put prisoners on their own continent and they formed one of the better places to live in the world?

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Go to war with them obviously
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#35 Fizz111
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Giving prisoners GUNS or WEAPONS is a bad idea.

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#36 Serraph105
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Giving prisoners GUNS or WEAPONS is a bad idea.

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and where exactly is your proof to back that up? :P
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#37 KG86
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They sort of did. My great grandfather had one of those "Join the Army or go to Jail" deals during WWII.

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#38 MgamerBD
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They sort of did. My great grandfather had one of those "Join the Army or go to Jail" deals during WWII.

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So which did he choose?
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#39 Kagai13
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Prisoners with guns, trained better than cops and still locked in a prison for a biggest part of time? sounds kinda... dangerous
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#40 Infinite_Access
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I believe we should bring back arena fighting. People against the death penalty believe in "second chances" lets them fight there way out. Set number of victories and you are out. A modern coliseum would be amazing!

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#41 DoomZaW
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I don't think it is a good idea to arm convicts. No matter what.

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#42 Kurezan
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I don't think they would be the most trust worthy people to hand our weapons to.

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#43 grape_of_wrath
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It's not a matter of how untrustworthy convicts are, It's, more, the simple fact that they'd make horrible, horrible soldiers. The main feature a combat unit needs these days is combat dicsipline (Not the "yes sir!" kind, but, the- wear black duct tape on your dog tags, don't speak during an advance, don't breach radio transmission for nonesense and don't fire outside your designated area- kind). Plus- Convicts are usually in crap physical condition. You should visit a real jail, sometime.
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#44 brickdoctor
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Interesting. I don't see how it would work but the Russians did it could be possible.

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#45 m25105
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im sure theyd prefer it to serving time in jail, and given the fact these guys usually do nothing but workout and fight and thirst for blood theyd probably do better than the soldiers in combat.

i know its more complicated than im making it out to be, what if theyd try escaping, or turn on eachother/their superiors? forget all that, cause those are the most obvious responses i am expecting.

of course they would have to be castrated first but its better than pretending prison is doing them any form of rehabillitation.

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Learn what it is it to be a man first, all your strength you know, the thing that makes us seperate from women? It comes from our balls. If you crastrated any person, you can bet your behind that that person will want to kill YOU and not someone else.
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#46 branketra
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Have you spent some time planning this?

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#47 Palantas
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im sure theyd prefer it to serving time in jail, and given the fact these guys usually do nothing but workout and fight and thirst for blood theyd probably do better than the soldiers in combat.

DangerHiVoltage

There's more to being a soldier than physical fitness, hand to hand combat, and "thirst for blood," whatever that means. A soldier foremost has to be disciplined. The military is an organization much more highly organized and regimented than regular society. Criminals do not possess the discipline or forward-thinking to get along in the normal world. I do not think that criminals would automatically make good soldiers.

I thougtht this "prisoners make great soldiers" idea was bad in Dune too.

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#49 Barbariser
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You would HAVE to find a way to tie them to your country to ensure they don't go off with your guns and start doing their own crap. Problem is, the only way to do that is to grant pardons, and do you have any idea what would happen if you put trained and battle-scarred criminals on the streets?

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#50 SolidSnake35
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Just set them loose in the enemy's capital...