What if the bible is just a bunch of lies???

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#1 GamerBoy53
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Like for example how could we be sure that Jesus even existed??? It's unknown who even wrote the Bible, isn't it??? Well what if they just put in lies??? And even if Jesus did exist what if he was just some crazy person that thought he was the son of God??? How could we be sure Jesus even done those miracles??? What if the miracles were a hoax, even if he dobe them???
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#2 Blood-Scribe
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Why do you need that many question marks???
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#3 Deihjan
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if its a bunch of mumbo jumbo, practically half the world's screwed..

and it wasnt just one person who wrote it, it was several.

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Why do you need that many question marks???Blood-Scribe
Cruise control.. oh wait, that's caps.

I got no answer to that

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#5 duxup
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Like for example how could we be sure that Jesus even existed??? GamerBoy53

In general you'll find most historians would agree that he existed, son of god... that's up for debate, but the dude seems to have existed.

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#6 SolidSnake35
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Then we'd be like... oh well, we've failed to get the right religious beliefs since... ever... so no biggie. >_>
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#7 CorpsePit
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Come up with a better idea for a religious discussion.

It is widely acknowledged that it is quite likely that 'Jesus' did exist. EVEN by the scientific and historic community.

The bible was written by numerous people, and compiled by the church.

And finally, What if? It's not going to stop people believing in him.

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#8 HardQuor
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to TC: What do you mean "What if?"

[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Like for example how could we be sure that Jesus even existed??? duxup

In general you'll find most historians would agree that he existed, son of god... that's up for debate, but the dude seems to have existed.


Don't most historians acknowledge that there are no historical recordings of any self-proclaimed miracle-worker by the name at all?
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Why do you need that many question marks???Blood-Scribe
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.
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#10 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???GamerBoy53
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

Really???
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???GamerBoy53
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

How come only you're allowed to do it???

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to TC: What do you mean "What if?"
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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Like for example how could we be sure that Jesus even existed??? HardQuor

In general you'll find most historians would agree that he existed, son of god... that's up for debate, but the dude seems to have existed.


Don't most historians acknowledge that there are no historical recordings of any self-proclaimed miracle-worker by the name at all?

Most historians will tell you that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Blood-Scribe

Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

How come only you're allowed to do it???

inb4you ???

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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???GamerBoy53
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:
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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???SolidSnake35
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:

But I did it aswell ???
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???GamerBoy53
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

even when it isnt a question:?
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#17 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Deihjan
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:

But I did it aswell ???

Didn't I do it before you made it popular???

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#18 GodLovesDead
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What if it's a hoax? It is a hoax.
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#19 efrucht
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Christianity wont come tumbling down any time soon, it's a faith, not a scientific discipline.

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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Blood-Scribe

Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:

But I did it aswell ???

Didn't I do it before you made it popular???

Look above your own post.. HAH ???
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#21 deactivated-5a79221380856
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People would take from it what is moral and just and discard the rest as perhaps a fairy tale with a good moral.
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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???smokingsbad
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

even when it isnt a question:?

Oh... no. Just after every question.
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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Deihjan
Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

Really???

That's weird I coulda sworn there were other people that did that. Gamerboy are you sure???

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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Deihjan

Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:

But I did it aswell ???

Didn't I do it before you made it popular???

Look above your own post.. HAH ???

Are you not getting me or something??? Was it not popular until you started doing it too??? Doesn't it take three people doing it to make it popular???

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People would take from it what is moral and just and discard the rest as perhaps a fairy tale with a good moral.Genetic_Code
Good moral = lots of people who get tormented by an invicible deity?

Job, anyone?

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[QUOTE="HardQuor"]to TC: What do you mean "What if?"
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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Like for example how could we be sure that Jesus even existed??? duxup

In general you'll find most historians would agree that he existed, son of god... that's up for debate, but the dude seems to have existed.


Don't most historians acknowledge that there are no historical recordings of any self-proclaimed miracle-worker by the name at all?

Most historians will tell you that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


So what leads you to believe that "most historians would agree that he existed?"
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Blood-Scribe

Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:

But I did it aswell ???

Didn't I do it before you made it popular???

Look above your own post.. HAH ???

Are you not getting me or something??? Was it not popular until you started doing it too??? Doesn't it take three people doing it to make it popular???

Three people and an emo. and I'm all that and more...in my HEAD!
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]People would take from it what is moral and just and discard the rest as perhaps a fairy tale with a good moral.Deihjan

Good moral = lots of people who get tormented by an invicible deity?

Job, anyone?

*Looks around*

I don't see these people getting mauled by the vicious deity... where are these people?

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So what leads you to believe that "most historians would agree that he existed?"HardQuor

You mean other than that they do? Nothing at all.

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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]People would take from it what is moral and just and discard the rest as perhaps a fairy tale with a good moral.Deihjan

Good moral = lots of people who get tormented by an invicible deity?

Job, anyone?

The moral is that if you swear to follow someone even when they crap all over you, they will in fact crap all over you.

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#31 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Why do you need that many question marks???Deihjan

Haven't you noticed??? I always use 3 question marks after a sentence. It's my trademark. I'm the only person I've seen in the forums who does that.

You are destined to be a true legend of the OT. D:

But I did it aswell ???

Didn't I do it before you made it popular???

Look above your own post.. HAH ???

Are you not getting me or something??? Was it not popular until you started doing it too??? Doesn't it take three people doing it to make it popular???

Three people and an emo. and I'm all that and more...in my HEAD!

Does that mean you can use the internet, with your MIND???
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#32 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Good moral = lots of people who get tormented by an invicible deity?

Job, anyone?

Deihjan

Hey, God thinks He was right. Who am I to question His judgement?

I just look at what I like and let people interpret it however they like to, although there are sometimes when I cross a line and criticize their views.

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#33 HardQuor
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[QUOTE="HardQuor"]
So what leads you to believe that "most historians would agree that he existed?"duxup

You mean other than that they do? Nothing at all.


So you're asserting that you're statement is fact? you got backup?
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]People would take from it what is moral and just and discard the rest as perhaps a fairy tale with a good moral.darkmoney52

Good moral = lots of people who get tormented by an invicible deity?

Job, anyone?

The moral is that if you swear to follow someone even when they crap all over you, they will in fact crap all over you.

but it isnt a good moral... and Adam and Eve.. they were thrown out of the garden of eden. I thought God was a merciful god, who FORGAVE people of their sins. Or was that only when Jesus exsisted, meaning AFTER Adam and Eve ?
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#35 Sam_Phisher
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I'd say the character existed. What's more up for debate IMO is the divinity of this so called "Son of God"

lol

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Does that mean you can use the internet, with your MIND???Blood-Scribe
I've been graced by the Lord himself...the sith lord, that is
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Why has most of this become a debate about how many question marks I use??? And just so you know, I made it popular, because I've been doing it for about 8 months.
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#38 Deihjan
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Why has most of this become a debate about how many question marks I use??? And just so you know, I made it popular, because I've been doing it for about 8 months.GamerBoy53
YOU made questionmarks popular? Oh, puh-lease...
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So you're asserting that you're statement is fact? you got backup?HardQuor

Bust open some books dude ;)

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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="Deihjan"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]People would take from it what is moral and just and discard the rest as perhaps a fairy tale with a good moral.Deihjan

Good moral = lots of people who get tormented by an invicible deity?

Job, anyone?

The moral is that if you swear to follow someone even when they crap all over you, they will in fact crap all over you.

but it isnt a good moral... and Adam and Eve.. they were thrown out of the garden of eden. I thought God was a merciful god, who FORGAVE people of their sins. Or was that only when Jesus exsisted, meaning AFTER Adam and Eve ?

It is a good moral in that it teaches you a lot about life. And the moral of Adam and Eve is that even if you love your children you can still toss their asses to the streets if they start doing drugs and listening to rock'n roll.

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You say "what if" as if it isn't true...
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It is a good moral in that it teaches you a lot about life. And the moral of Adam and Eve is that even if you love your children you can still toss their asses to the streets if they start doing drugs and listening to rock'n roll.

darkmoney52

But those statements arent good D= You can't throw people out just because they start doing drugs. You have to help them, lend them a hand..be merciful.

And how is turning the other cheek and getting slapped again a GOOD moral?

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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Why has most of this become a debate about how many question marks I use??? And just so you know, I made it popular, because I've been doing it for about 8 months.Deihjan
YOU made questionmarks popular? Oh, puh-lease...

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.
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#44 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Why has most of this become a debate about how many question marks I use??? And just so you know, I made it popular, because I've been doing it for about 8 months.GamerBoy53
YOU made questionmarks popular? Oh, puh-lease...

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.

I think the dude who asked the first question ever.. no wait, I think the dude who MADE the questionmark made it popular... by inventing it..
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The bible can not be changed. It is the word of God.
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"What if" questions are horrible.

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[QUOTE="HardQuor"]
So you're asserting that you're statement is fact? you got backup?duxup

Bust open some books dude ;)

I'm not that well-versed in non-fiction... Mind naming some texts?
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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

It is a good moral in that it teaches you a lot about life. And the moral of Adam and Eve is that even if you love your children you can still toss their asses to the streets if they start doing drugs and listening to rock'n roll.

Deihjan

But those statements arent good D= You can't throw people out just because they start doing drugs. You have to help them, lend them a hand..be merciful.

And how is turning the other cheek and getting slapped again a GOOD moral?

CAN and HAVE buddy. And it's a good moral in that it teaches you maybe turning the other cheek to the man that just slapped you will likely result in another swelled and bruised cheek.

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[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"][QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Why has most of this become a debate about how many question marks I use??? And just so you know, I made it popular, because I've been doing it for about 8 months.Deihjan
YOU made questionmarks popular? Oh, puh-lease...

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.

I think the dude who asked the first question ever.. no wait, I think the dude who MADE the questionmark made it popular... by inventing it..

Coming from the person 1500 posts below me.
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#50 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

It is a good moral in that it teaches you a lot about life. And the moral of Adam and Eve is that even if you love your children you can still toss their asses to the streets if they start doing drugs and listening to rock'n roll.

darkmoney52

But those statements arent good D= You can't throw people out just because they start doing drugs. You have to help them, lend them a hand..be merciful.

And how is turning the other cheek and getting slapped again a GOOD moral?

CAN and HAVE buddy. And it's a good moral in that it teaches you maybe turning the other cheek to the man that just slapped you will likely result in another swelled and bruised cheek.

You're avoiding my question with mindless babble.. come down to my level, you know you want to :P