What is OT's thoughts on guns and gun control?

What do you think of the 2nd ammendment and gun rights? Should people be allowed to own any weapon they choose? Should guns be allowed but regulated with licenses, background checks, waiting periods, etc. Should certain guns/ammo be limited or unavailable to the general public (assault rifles, armor piercing rounds, etc.) Should people only be allowed to own sporting guns - hunters, skeet shooting, competitions, etc. Or should guns be outright illegal for a person to own?

My thoughts. In a generalized sense, I do not believe that guns make us safer. The more guns there are, the more gun deaths there will be. IN certain specific, individual cases they may offer protection or safety to that individual, but in general they make things more dangerous. Simply owning a firearm dramatically increases the chance that you will die from firearm related trauma. However, the issue may be about personal rights/freedom and not about safety. There are lots of activities that we do that are proven to be unsafe or unhealthy for us and others. Yet, we desire to be the ones to make that choice and not a second party. We desire to make the choices about what we feel is best for us.

I dont object to someone owning a firearm for self defense. Your home is your castle, and if you feel safer with a handgun, it's not my right to deny you that. I'd rather assault rifles not be available to the general public. Or if they are, you have to apply for a license for one first, go through a significant screening process, and prove your ability and competence to handle it safely. No felons. No mental illness in you or household members. I have no problems with a waiting period or background check. If you are a legal/law abiding citizen, you should not have a problem. Thoughts?

I think OT has had enough topic on guns and gun control recently. Swanogt19

I guess I'm a background check sorta person. Banning guns or assault rifles would be short sighted.

i support gun freedom. the 2nd amendment was put in place to fight against the government, not protect your home or go hunting. tired of liberals taking away my rights.mingmao3046

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I think guns should only be allowed for people that need them (hunters, farmers, etc.) For the US however (since guns are quite widespread already), I say only handguns and hunting rifles should be allowed with strict background checks.

Definetely support gun control. Places like Canada and Great Britain have stricter gun control and have fewer gun crimes than the U.S. I think either all guns should be banned for a safer future, or outlaw all guns with larger than 6 rounds only in your home. If you can't get an intruder with more than 6 shots, you are not a very good shot. While crime may go up in the short term, in the long term, these measures will ensure a safer society, with fewer gun crimes, as seen in other countries with stricter gun control measures.the_plan_man

What if there are multiple intruders?

If you only need 6 shots then why do most law enforcement officers use firearms with "large" capacitymagazines?

Why is it more than likely any bill that is passed like you describe would intentionally leave out private security personal used by government officials andcelebrities?

I'm actually for compromising on reasonable gun restrictions (despite being completely opposed to the principle of gun control) such as closing the gun show loop whole, requiring an FFL be present at private purchases and requiring stolen firearms be reported to police. A lot of what you're saying doesn't actually do anything make people safer. If six shots was all that was needed toadequately protect yourself the governments own security officers wouldn't be walking around with semi-automatic pistols.

Gun control is fine with me. I'm Canadian so I couldn't care less about owning one myself.

i support gun freedom. the 2nd amendment was put in place to fight against the government, not protect your home or go hunting. tired of liberals taking away my rights.mingmao3046

There's nothing wrong with owning a personal firearm but I fail to see why civilians would ever need assault rifles.Shottayouth13-

There's nothing wrong with owning a personal firearm but I fail to see why civilians would ever need assault rifles.Shottayouth13-

I collect Curios and Relics and often the firearms I collect end up finding their way on to the Assault Weapons Ban list because of certain features they have. Some states ban guns like the SKS and M1 Garand simply because they are weapons that have been used in war while completely ignoring their value to collectors. The Curios and Relics that are currently available to collectors aren't any more dangerous than the common hunting rifle. An SKS made in the 1950's shouldn't be on an assault weapons ban list because it has a dull bayonet on it. The wording used in many pieces of gun control legislation is so broad that the goal is obviously to simply ban as many as possible.

The bill of rights is not the bill of needs or wants. Any American citizen who has not forfeited their civil rights through criminal activities should be allowed to own any kind of firearm.

The bill of rights is not the bill of needs or wants. Any American citizen who has not forfeited their civil rights through criminal activities should be allowed to own any kind of firearm.

ScorpionTroll

The only gun any civilian should have access to are hunting rifles, shotguns and Airsoft!!

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]There's nothing wrong with owning a personal firearm but I fail to see why civilians would ever need assault rifles.mingmao3046

The bill of rights is not the bill of needs or wants. Any American citizen who has not forfeited their civil rights through criminal activities should be allowed to own any kind of firearm.

ScorpionTroll

I want a minigun that shoots nukes!

[QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

The bill of rights is not the bill of needs or wants. Any American citizen who has not forfeited their civil rights through criminal activities should be allowed to own any kind of firearm.

Person0

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]There's nothing wrong with owning a personal firearm but I fail to see why civilians would ever need assault rifles.Shottayouth13-

We have before.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] to fight back against a tyrannical government, you know, the whole reason for the 2nd amendment in the first place.brickdoctor

We have before.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

The bill of rights is not the bill of needs or wants. Any American citizen who has not forfeited their civil rights through criminal activities should be allowed to own any kind of firearm.

ScorpionTroll

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] :| You're telling me that, if the government should ever turn against citizens, that a severely untrained population could defeat them? The same government that controls the military and all that military equipment (tanks, drones, nukes etc). You really think a civilian population can stop that?Shottayouth13-

We have before.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

We have before.

Rich3232

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

We have before.

Rich3232

If they were armed then that would have turned out differently.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] When and where?Laihendi

If they were armed then that would have turned out differently.

Can anybody explain to me what an assault weapon is please?

Obama wants to seize our guns so that we'll be unable to resist when FEMA rounds us up and sends us to the concentration camps!

Here's a glimpse of the terrible, totalitarian future that awaits us. :shock:

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[QUOTE="Person0"] Every right from the bill of rights is not absolute. Freedom of speech is not total freedom to say whatever you want. Right to bear arms =/= right to bear all arms. (example fully automatic guns made after 1986]Person0

Can anybody explain to me what an assault weapon is please?

DJ419

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"] Not absolute in the fact that someone exercising their rights cannot do so in a way that infringes on other people's rights. In the case of freedom speech: character assassination or shouting "fire" in a crowded theater resulting in people being trampled, as that would be infringing on their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I fail to see how owning a fully automatic weapon is inherently causing someone else harm. Your rights ending where someone else's rights begin is the only legitimate reason I could see a right not being absolute.

ScorpionTroll

Obama wants to seize our guns so that we'll be unable to resist when FEMA rounds us up and sends us to the concentration camps!

Here's a glimpse of the terrible, totalitarian future that awaits us. :shock:

Stesilaus

OOOOO, I wanna be the government lackey riot gear guy who has a change of heart in a dramatic turn of events and helps the rebels reclaim the nation!

Do I get an eyepatch?

Low caliber guns may be tolerable for leisure or self-defense after a rigorous background check, but please stop it with the ''protect against government'' bull; who are you trying to fool?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] he'll probably say the revolutionary war or something stupid like that. Rich3232

If they were armed then that would have turned out differently.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Remember that time the government forced Japanese residents and Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps? I guess that is an inconvenient historical event to remember for some people.

If they were armed then that would have turned out differently.

Laihendi

People have been killing eachother since the start of mankind. To suddenly say guns are the problem, is irresponsible, & misguided.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Remember that time the government forced Japanese residents and Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps? I guess that is an inconvenient historical event to remember for some people.

If they were armed then that would have turned out differently.

Laihendi

So...you hate Japanese people?

People have been killing eachother since the start of mankind. To suddenly say guns are the problem, is irresponsible, & misguided.

DJ419