If you take christianity as a whole and view all its angels and demons and such, who is the greatest evil of all? I know what most scholars would say, but if you read about it, there are so many things besides well Satan.
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If you take christianity as a whole and view all its angels and demons and such, who is the greatest evil of all? I know what most scholars would say, but if you read about it, there are so many things besides well Satan.
There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.TheokhothYeah, but if you take Dante's Universe into account, there are varying levels of punishment. TC said
If you take christianity as a whole
ZiggyStardust16
I thinkThe Divine Commedia has a place in Christianity. If it does,
Being a traitor is the worst.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.BranKetraYeah, but if you take Dante's Universe into account, there are varying levels of punishment. TC said
what does that have to do with christianity?If you take christianity as a whole
ZiggyStardust16
Yeah, but if you take Dante's Universe into account, there are varying levels of punishment. TC said[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.BranKetra
If you take christianity as a whole
ZiggyStardust16
I thinkThe Divine Commedia has a place in Christianity. If it does,
Being a traitor is the worst.
Actually according to the Bible, the degree of punishment isn't based on how bad the sin is, but on how much knowledge you have. A person who is raised up in the church their whole life and has the gospel preached to them all the time, yet still rejects it will get a much greater punishment than a person who has never heard the gospel.
There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.TheokhothBingo.
The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.Osaka-06If one does not love the author of good then one does not love anything that is good. Thus, if one turns from God he inadvertently turns from all things good and toward evil. Also, it's not worship that saves us but purely the grace of God which is evidenced by a repentant heart.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]
BranKetra
Dante was an novelist, not a theologian.
I'd think he's more of a novelist than a theologian. Does this mean I can't interpret his epic poem how I want?Interpret the poem as you will. I loved it. (Inferno anyway)
Bingo.[QUOTE="BranKetra"]
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] [QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.Silenthps
The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.Osaka-06If one does not love the author of good then one does not love anything that is good. Thus, if one turns from God he inadvertently turns from all things good and toward evil. Also, it's not worship that saves us but purely the grace of God which is evidenced by a repentant heart. it's sort of interesting how people who are extremely religious often show signs of other problems ( to my experience ). i'm not saying that anyone who believes in god is crazy -- it's just something I have noticed, that people who spend a lot of time talking about God and preaching have had some misfortunes in their life and usually need help from a less religious source.
Yeah, I think it's good, too. That's not my point, though. It was popular and is still used today.[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]
Interpret the poem as you will. I loved it. (Inferno anyway)
coolbeans90
However, I don't know how influential it was on Christendom back then, leading to today.
Actually according to the Bible, the degree of punishment isn't based on how bad the sin is, but on how much knowledge you have. A person who is raised up in the church their whole life and has the gospel preached to them all the time, yet still rejects it will get a much greater punishment than a person who has never heard the gospel.
Silenthps
You're right. You just complemented what I've written.
Although Dante's inferno is an epic depiction of hell, I don't believe it holds any merit and is not regard as christian canon.
The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.
Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.
Merry Christmas ;>
If one does not love the author of good then one does not love anything that is good. Thus, if one turns from God he inadvertently turns from all things good and toward evil. Also, it's not worship that saves us but purely the grace of God which is evidenced by a repentant heart. it's sort of interesting how people who are extremely religious often show signs of other problems ( to my experience ). i'm not saying that anyone who believes in god is crazy -- it's just something I have noticed, that people who spend a lot of time talking about God and preaching have had some misfortunes in their life and usually need help from a less religious source. If you have cancer, do you pray and hope it goes away by itself or do you go to the doctor and get proper treatment? Unless you're a Christian Science believer or a fundamentalist, most believers do what any one else would do in that situation. The difference is, most believers have a sense of comfort in knowing that someone is watching over them and that gives them an inner sense of peace.[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Bingo. [QUOTE="Osaka-06"]The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.SkyWard20
I'm not denying it didn't happen, I just think that it's part of human nature and greed is what causes war, starvation and mass hoarding. To blame it solely on institutionalized religion is simply naive when Soviet Russia did the same thing in the name of Communism and Mother Russia.The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.
Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.
Merry Christmas ;>
mywalletsgone
The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.
Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.
Merry Christmas ;>
mywalletsgone
You make me sad, man. :{{
The people within the religion who pervert it and manipulate it in order to benefit themselves (corruption) or cause harm to others (violence).
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[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]I'm not denying it didn't happen, I just think that it's part of human nature and greed is what causes war, starvation and mass hoarding. To blame it solely on institutionalized religion is simply naive when Soviet Russia did the same thing in the name of Communism and Mother Russia.The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.
Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.
Merry Christmas ;>
hiphops_savior
The Soviet Union existed for just nearly 70 years. How many years longer did Christianity (in particular the Catholic Church) exist for?
It's kinda funny as well when Jesus condemned the hoarding of weath and greed more than almost every other sin.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Yeah, I think it's good, too. That's not my point, though. It was popular and is still used today.Interpret the poem as you will. I loved it. (Inferno anyway)
BranKetra
However, I don't know how influential it was on Christendom back then, leading to today.
Actually according to the Bible, the degree of punishment isn't based on how bad the sin is, but on how much knowledge you have. A person who is raised up in the church their whole life and has the gospel preached to them all the time, yet still rejects it will get a much greater punishment than a person who has never heard the gospel.
Silenthps
You're right. You just complemented what I've written.
It's popular, but not used as a religious text.
Like it or not, canonical stuff isn't all that Christianity is. Some things are a part of Christiandom in a worldly sense, while some (the stuff that matters) isn't. Each of these still is a part of the whole. No matter how beautiful or ugly, how canonical or not. I admit, I'm taking more of a logical stand than an intuitive/faith based, here. That said, some people will still consider Westboro Baptist Church a part of Christianity and some won't. Others may consider the pagan influences in Christian Iconography a part of Christianity, while others still will not.Although Dante's inferno is an epic depiction of hell, I don't believe it holds any merit and is not regard as christian canon.
Cypress_290
Again, dude. That's not my point. Unless TC edited his first post, he's asking about Christianity as a whole. The Bible isn't all that Christianity is.[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]
It's popular, but not used as a religious text.
BranKetra
I'm not saying that it is. People just don't generally derive their religious depiction of hell from The Inferno.
Again, dude. That's not my point. Unless TC edited his first post, he's asking about Christianity as a whole. The Bible isn't all that Christianity is.[QUOTE="BranKetra"]
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]
It's popular, but not used as a religious text.
coolbeans90
I'm not saying that it is. People just don't generally derive their religious depiction of hell from The Inferno.
Okay, but I do. Kind of.actually I wanted this to be a bit more concrete. Lets not go into all that sin debate filosofi. If you consider it in a more black asn white way, which figure is the greatest evil in christianity
CatholicismIf you take christianity as a whole and view all its angels and demons and such, who is the greatest evil of all? I know what most scholars would say, but if you read about it, there are so many things besides well Satan.
ZiggyStardust16
thats a hard one. there are so many to choose from. Probably Yahweh's obsession with killing and punishment that is reflected in all of his policies and orders to mankind. every heinous act committed in the name of this god seemed somewhat "reasonable" in light of the fact that the same god had ordered countless such atrocities in the past.
"Whats that? god told you to burn all the loose women in the villiage as witches? well, now that I think about it, that does sound like something god would order. ok then."
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