What is the greatest evil in christianity?

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#1 ZiggyStardust16
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If you take christianity as a whole and view all its angels and demons and such, who is the greatest evil of all? I know what most scholars would say, but if you read about it, there are so many things besides well Satan.

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The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.
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#3 Silverbond
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Why don't you start by telling us what you think the "greatest evil" is?

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There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.
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There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.Theokhoth
Yeah, but if you take Dante's Universe into account, there are varying levels of punishment. TC said

If you take christianity as a whole

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I thinkThe Divine Commedia has a place in Christianity. If it does,

9 circles of Hell

Being a traitor is the worst.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.BranKetra
Yeah, but if you take Dante's Universe into account, there are varying levels of punishment. TC said

If you take christianity as a whole

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what does that have to do with christianity?
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#8 coolbeans90
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BranKetra

Dante was an novelist, not a theologian.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.BranKetra

Yeah, but if you take Dante's Universe into account, there are varying levels of punishment. TC said

If you take christianity as a whole

ZiggyStardust16

I thinkThe Divine Commedia has a place in Christianity. If it does,

Being a traitor is the worst.

Actually according to the Bible, the degree of punishment isn't based on how bad the sin is, but on how much knowledge you have. A person who is raised up in the church their whole life and has the gospel preached to them all the time, yet still rejects it will get a much greater punishment than a person who has never heard the gospel.

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#10 branketra
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] what does that have to do with christianity?

That's an illustration of the poet Dante's description of the Christian Hell. It was written in the 14th century, so it used ideas from that era regarding Christianity. While things about Christianity have changed through the years, some things remain. Things like people's beliefs of a Paradise, Purgatory, and Hell. More to the point, things that will get you to each of these places.
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#11 mindstorm
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There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.Theokhoth
Bingo.
The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.Osaka-06
If one does not love the author of good then one does not love anything that is good. Thus, if one turns from God he inadvertently turns from all things good and toward evil. Also, it's not worship that saves us but purely the grace of God which is evidenced by a repentant heart.
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#12 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

coolbeans90

Dante was an novelist, not a theologian.

I'd think he's more of a novelist than a theologian. Does this mean I can't interpret his epic poem how I want?
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#13 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

BranKetra

Dante was an novelist, not a theologian.

I'd think he's more of a novelist than a theologian. Does this mean I can't interpret his epic poem how I want?

Interpret the poem as you will. I loved it. (Inferno anyway)

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#14 Fusionmix
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There is no greatest evil.

There is simply evil.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] [QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.Silenthps

Bingo.
The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.Osaka-06
If one does not love the author of good then one does not love anything that is good. Thus, if one turns from God he inadvertently turns from all things good and toward evil. Also, it's not worship that saves us but purely the grace of God which is evidenced by a repentant heart.

it's sort of interesting how people who are extremely religious often show signs of other problems ( to my experience ). i'm not saying that anyone who believes in god is crazy -- it's just something I have noticed, that people who spend a lot of time talking about God and preaching have had some misfortunes in their life and usually need help from a less religious source.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Interpret the poem as you will. I loved it. (Inferno anyway)

coolbeans90

Yeah, I think it's good, too. That's not my point, though. It was popular and is still used today.

However, I don't know how influential it was on Christendom back then, leading to today.

Actually according to the Bible, the degree of punishment isn't based on how bad the sin is, but on how much knowledge you have. A person who is raised up in the church their whole life and has the gospel preached to them all the time, yet still rejects it will get a much greater punishment than a person who has never heard the gospel.

Silenthps

You're right. You just complemented what I've written.

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There are many varying degrees of "practical" evil (murder, theft, lying, etc.), but in terms of theological evil, there is no greatest; all evil is the same thing: an affront to God.Theokhoth
This is what I was going to say
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Sin and everything that goes along with it.
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Although Dante's inferno is an epic depiction of hell, I don't believe it holds any merit and is not regard as christian canon.

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The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.

Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.

Merry Christmas ;>

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Bingo. [QUOTE="Osaka-06"]The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell.SkyWard20

If one does not love the author of good then one does not love anything that is good. Thus, if one turns from God he inadvertently turns from all things good and toward evil. Also, it's not worship that saves us but purely the grace of God which is evidenced by a repentant heart.

it's sort of interesting how people who are extremely religious often show signs of other problems ( to my experience ). i'm not saying that anyone who believes in god is crazy -- it's just something I have noticed, that people who spend a lot of time talking about God and preaching have had some misfortunes in their life and usually need help from a less religious source.

If you have cancer, do you pray and hope it goes away by itself or do you go to the doctor and get proper treatment? Unless you're a Christian Science believer or a fundamentalist, most believers do what any one else would do in that situation. The difference is, most believers have a sense of comfort in knowing that someone is watching over them and that gives them an inner sense of peace.
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The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.

Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.

Merry Christmas ;>

mywalletsgone
I'm not denying it didn't happen, I just think that it's part of human nature and greed is what causes war, starvation and mass hoarding. To blame it solely on institutionalized religion is simply naive when Soviet Russia did the same thing in the name of Communism and Mother Russia.
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The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.

Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.

Merry Christmas ;>

mywalletsgone

You make me sad, man. :{{

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The people within the religion who pervert it and manipulate it in order to benefit themselves (corruption) or cause harm to others (violence).

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[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

The hoarding and greed of said institutionalized religion as other nations still starve, and the centuries of bloodshed it has caused.

Quote me all you want, I'm saying no more, and you know it's there.

Merry Christmas ;>

hiphops_savior

I'm not denying it didn't happen, I just think that it's part of human nature and greed is what causes war, starvation and mass hoarding. To blame it solely on institutionalized religion is simply naive when Soviet Russia did the same thing in the name of Communism and Mother Russia.

The Soviet Union existed for just nearly 70 years. How many years longer did Christianity (in particular the Catholic Church) exist for?

It's kinda funny as well when Jesus condemned the hoarding of weath and greed more than almost every other sin.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Interpret the poem as you will. I loved it. (Inferno anyway)

BranKetra

Yeah, I think it's good, too. That's not my point, though. It was popular and is still used today.

However, I don't know how influential it was on Christendom back then, leading to today.

Actually according to the Bible, the degree of punishment isn't based on how bad the sin is, but on how much knowledge you have. A person who is raised up in the church their whole life and has the gospel preached to them all the time, yet still rejects it will get a much greater punishment than a person who has never heard the gospel.

Silenthps

You're right. You just complemented what I've written.

It's popular, but not used as a religious text.

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Saying religion is terrible because it is corrupt is like saying democracy is terrible because it is corrupt. The problem lies in the fact that it is run by people, and everybody sins. The church will be the first to admit that. You're losing sight of the big picture, which is how many good things it has brought to the world.
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Although Dante's inferno is an epic depiction of hell, I don't believe it holds any merit and is not regard as christian canon.

Cypress_290
Like it or not, canonical stuff isn't all that Christianity is. Some things are a part of Christiandom in a worldly sense, while some (the stuff that matters) isn't. Each of these still is a part of the whole. No matter how beautiful or ugly, how canonical or not. I admit, I'm taking more of a logical stand than an intuitive/faith based, here. That said, some people will still consider Westboro Baptist Church a part of Christianity and some won't. Others may consider the pagan influences in Christian Iconography a part of Christianity, while others still will not.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

It's popular, but not used as a religious text.

BranKetra

Again, dude. That's not my point. Unless TC edited his first post, he's asking about Christianity as a whole. The Bible isn't all that Christianity is.

I'm not saying that it is. People just don't generally derive their religious depiction of hell from The Inferno.

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#33 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

It's popular, but not used as a religious text.

coolbeans90

Again, dude. That's not my point. Unless TC edited his first post, he's asking about Christianity as a whole. The Bible isn't all that Christianity is.

I'm not saying that it is. People just don't generally derive their religious depiction of hell from The Inferno.

Okay, but I do. Kind of.
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actually I wanted this to be a bit more concrete. Lets not go into all that sin debate filosofi. If you consider it in a more black asn white way, which figure is the greatest evil in christianity

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To answer the OP's question, it is the fact that there is an evil force (the Devil) at work IN churches. Who seeks to divide the believers. To undo the good that it (Christianity) does. And to worsen every little scandal and cause more so there will be many unbelievers. Those who seek for Jesus Christ do not need a preacher or sermon to give them faith. They already have it. Those who run from the church because of scandal do not believe in J.C., they are much too caught up in opinions, controversy, and drama. J.C. lived a 100% clean, unsinful & charitable lifestyle. I have never seen nor heard of any man/woman that has lived 1% as good a life as Him. Although Billy Graham, SR. and the Reverend Billy Sunday would qualify as much closer than any I have read about. So He is my Savior (J.C.). The haters (and there are many), well they mean nothing to me. Their words are just drama. And The Devil is all about his drama... His day is coming soon. Be saved and baptized. And be faithful. You will know everlasting life. AMEN.
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The whole concept of worship or else you'll go to hell. Osaka-06
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In my opinion, the whole religion is somewhat evil and a lie. But I am not a religious person and most people probably wouldn't agree with me.
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If you take christianity as a whole and view all its angels and demons and such, who is the greatest evil of all? I know what most scholars would say, but if you read about it, there are so many things besides well Satan.

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teh catholic curch and it pope

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If it's not Satan, it's obviously Turbo-Satan.

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#43 arbitor365
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thats a hard one. there are so many to choose from. Probably Yahweh's obsession with killing and punishment that is reflected in all of his policies and orders to mankind. every heinous act committed in the name of this god seemed somewhat "reasonable" in light of the fact that the same god had ordered countless such atrocities in the past.

"Whats that? god told you to burn all the loose women in the villiage as witches? well, now that I think about it, that does sound like something god would order. ok then."

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#44 Silenthps
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welp, i found the greatest evil