Its the spirit of god.... That is suppost to live with in Christians and takes on many forms... Its Part of the Trinity The father(God, the deity) the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is essentially what saves a new Christian. A person that accepts Christ's forgiveness is given a sort of spiritual baptism from the Holy Spirit. The "dunk in water" baptism is a physical representation (and announcement) of this.
The Bible says that a person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be saved--not because it's some unforgivable sin, but because a person who would do that would never want to be saved in the first place.
The Holy Spirit is essentially what saves a new Christian. A person that accepts Christ's forgiveness is given a sort of spiritual baptism from the Holy Spirit. The "dunk in water" baptism is a physical representation (and announcement) of this.
The Bible says that a person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be saved--not because it's some unforgivable sin, but because a person who would do that would never want to be saved in the first place.
Theokhoth
You win!!!!
But i have a question.... How does one blaspheme the holy spirit? What could be so unforgivable?
The Holy Spirit is essentially what saves a new Christian. A person that accepts Christ's forgiveness is given a sort of spiritual baptism from the Holy Spirit. The "dunk in water" baptism is a physical representation (and announcement) of this.
The Bible says that a person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be saved--not because it's some unforgivable sin, but because a person who would do that would never want to be saved in the first place.
xxxAdvocatexxx
You win!!!!
But i have a question.... How does one blaspheme the holy spirit? What could be so unforgivable?
Beats me. But it's not unforgivable--a person that would do it would never want to be forgiven. There's a difference. :P
The Holy Spirit is essentially what saves a new Christian. A person that accepts Christ's forgiveness is given a sort of spiritual baptism from the Holy Spirit. The "dunk in water" baptism is a physical representation (and announcement) of this.
The Bible says that a person that blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be saved--not because it's some unforgivable sin, but because a person who would do that would never want to be saved in the first place.
Theokhoth
You win!!!!
But i have a question.... How does one blaspheme the holy spirit? What could be so unforgivable?
Beats me. But it's not unforgivable--a person that would do it would never want to be forgiven. There's a difference. :P
So basically a "I'll know it when I see it" sort of deal?
Beats me. Besides which, the Holy Trinity has never made any sense to me... actually, I've never met a non-Christian who actually thought the Holy Trinity made any sense...
I believe it's just another form of God, the one that lies within humans.
Mogotoo
This one. The spirit of the Lord is not limited to Christians, it is up to each of us to let the spirit work within us and within our lives. By definition if you believe in the Holy Spirit you believe in Christ and would therefore be a Christian, but that is a different topic for a different thread.
Beats me. Besides which, the Holy Trinity has never made any sense to me... actually, I've never met a non-Christian who actually thought the Holy Trinity made any sense...
chessmaster1989
I've found that as well.
I honestly don't know. It's just one of many aspects of Christianity that make little or no sense to me.
Beats me. Besides which, the Holy Trinity has never made any sense to me... actually, I've never met a non-Christian who actually thought the Holy Trinity made any sense...
chessmaster1989
Well it does make a bit sense to me. But when I imagine it/picture it or try to break it down I do so without being too specific or thinking conventionally.
To me long story short, the three (Holy Spirit, Father and Son) are different "incarnations" (although only for the Son can that word be used literally and thats why I put it in quotes) of God.
Beats me. Besides which, the Holy Trinity has never made any sense to me... actually, I've never met a non-Christian who actually thought the Holy Trinity made any sense...
Teenaged
Well it does make a bit sense to me. But when I imagine it/picture it or try to break it down I do so without being too specific or thinking conventionally.
To me long story short, the three (Holy Spirit, Father and Son) are different "incarnations" (although only for the Son can that word be used literally and thats why I put it in quotes) of God.
You mean something similar to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in Hinduism? That's the only way I can see it making any sense at all.
Beats me. Besides which, the Holy Trinity has never made any sense to me... actually, I've never met a non-Christian who actually thought the Holy Trinity made any sense...
_glatisant_
Well it does make a bit sense to me. But when I imagine it/picture it or try to break it down I do so without being too specific or thinking conventionally.
To me long story short, the three (Holy Spirit, Father and Son) are different "incarnations" (although only for the Son can that word be used literally and thats why I put it in quotes) of God.
You mean something similar to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in Hinduism? That's the only way I can see it making any sense at all.
The Holy Spirit is the gift from God to all those who believed in Jesus Christ, the Spirit works to help change a new believer from the inside. The Trinity, or the Triume God is much more difficult to understand. It's the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and they are all there since the beginning before time even exist. They are one, but yet operate seperately. The concept of it is so difficult that it is impossible to fully explain what the Trinity is all about in human logic.
The concept of it is so difficult that it is impossible to fully explain what the Trinity is all about in human logic.hiphops_savior
Yes, and that's part of the problem I have with Christianity. Accepting something when it makes no logical sense is not something I'm willing to do. :|
[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]The concept of it is so difficult that it is impossible to fully explain what the Trinity is all about in human logic.chessmaster1989
Yes, and that's part of the problem I have with Christianity. Accepting something when it makes no logical sense is not something I'm willing to do. :|
Well to be honest for discussions sake, I have the least problem with the Trinity even though of course it doesnt make 100% sense to me either. Sure my logic alarm may go off and think "wtf? :| " but I have no reason (or put better: I dont feel the urge) to defy something whose illlogicality doesnt affect my life and doesnt insult my intelligence in the way, accepting that you go to hell for the least bit of actions you do, does.
But I understand where you are coming from, its just that this issue seems trivial. Well not concerning doctrine but in regards to how the logical alarm rings for me. :P
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well it does make a bit sense to me. But when I imagine it/picture it or try to break it down I do so without being too specific or thinking conventionally.
To me long story short, the three (Holy Spirit, Father and Son) are different "incarnations" (although only for the Son can that word be used literally and thats why I put it in quotes) of God.
Teenaged
You mean something similar to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in Hinduism? That's the only way I can see it making any sense at all.
I dont know much about Hinduism so I cant say. :(
Basically they are all aspects of one God; Brahmin. That's why Hinduism is sometimes called monotheistic.
The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism and service.
The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism and service.mindstorm
But surely an omnipotent being could do all that with no need for a separate spirit?
The holy spirit is the thing that inspires everyone to spread the word of God or something along those lines. I don't quite get it either and I'm Luthern so yeah.
The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism and service.mindstorm
That specific definition of something spiritual to me seems like dogmas of religions who are not as spiritual and fashion special personalised deities who are "assigned" with special tasks.
Like an easy distribution of notions on separate bearers which serves in a more effective deployment of main ideas and priorities and the adding connectins between the personalised deities/idols/entities to make it believable with details around them.
/rant :D
Just my impression that was invoked by the description.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism and service._glatisant_
But surely an omnipotent being could do all that with no need for a separate spirit?
Sure he could do all these things but read Exodus, the Lord provided all sorts of miracles and still humans complained. The spirit is that part of God within us that helps guide us on a day to day bases. You ask why wouldn't God just do things? To me that's faith. I can order someone to be beside me (Exodus story) but if I wanted to truly be happy I would want to be surrounded by people who wanted to be there (faith).
But surely an omnipotent being could do all that with no need for a separate spirit?
_glatisant_
The Spirit is not an impersonal being but communicates with God just as Jesus does. The Spirit is simply a part of the nature of God. Sure, he could interact with us as just the Father, but that would only be a portion of God working. The Holy Spirit was even active in the creation process as can be seen in Gen. 1:2 when it says, "the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."
That specific definition of something spiritual to me seems like dogmas of religions who are not as spiritual and fashion special personalised deities who are "assigned" with special tasks.
Like an easy distribution of notions on separate bearers which serves in a more effective deployment of main ideas and priorities and the adding connectins between the personalised deities/idols/entities to make it believable with details around them.
/rant :D
Just my impression that was invoked by the description.
Teenaged
While I get your point, this is merely systematizing what Scripture says about the Holy Spirit in an effort to understand what he is. I do not think it's untrue, but I agree that such a description can never do justice to such a being.
While I get your point, this is merely systematizing what Scripture says about the Holy Spirit in an effort to understand what he is. I do not think it's untrue, but I agree that such a description can never do justice to such a being.
mindstorm
Yeah it wasnt a criticism really (glad we understood each other in an internet forum without much clarifications :P). I understand the inability to describe something like that in words.
Like you said it was the systematised style of it that put me off. But it was just an impression I needed to express. :)
Also I guess I dont see the three (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as separately in roles as you do.
While I get your point, this is merely systematizing what Scripture says about the Holy Spirit in an effort to understand what he is. I do not think it's untrue, but I agree that such a description can never do justice to such a being.
Teenaged
Yeah it wasnt a criticism really (glad we understood each other in an internet forum without much clarifications :P). I understand the inability to describe something like that in words.
Like you said it was the systematised style of it that put me off. But it was just an impression I needed to express. :)
Also I guess I dont see the three (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as separately in roles as you do.
As far as roles go, I do believe they have completely separate roles but are the same being. For example, the metaphysical Father is never going to physically walk the earth as that would simply be impossible. However, Jesus is the incarnation, physical image, of the Father can.
While I get your point, this is merely systematizing what Scripture says about the Holy Spirit in an effort to understand what he is. I do not think it's untrue, but I agree that such a description can never do justice to such a being.
mindstorm
Yeah it wasnt a criticism really (glad we understood each other in an internet forum without much clarifications :P). I understand the inability to describe something like that in words.
Like you said it was the systematised style of it that put me off. But it was just an impression I needed to express. :)
Also I guess I dont see the three (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as separately in roles as you do.
As far as roles go, I do believe they have completely separate roles but are the same being. For example, the metaphysical Father is never going to physically walk the earth as that would simply be impossible. However, Jesus is the incarnation, physical image, of the Father can.Yeah I see those distinctions as well (especially your example is a perfect one), I just wouldnt separate them entirely. I guess I imagine them as 3 threads that are separate, but intertwine. I cant really describe it. Shoot! :P
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