What is wrong about generalizing the majority?

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#1 GazaAli
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Really I think the two go hand in hand. When the majority fits a certain description, shouldn't I generalize?

Like yesterday I was in a kind of a debate class and we started talking about how Gaza is represented in the west. We either have Hamas showing us as beggers in need of aid and under severe seige, or we have other activists showing that we are great and creative people. My classmates started to talk about how we should give a positive image about Gaza and its people and I told them this is BS since we don't deserve such a picture. We have some good things yes, be we also have some ****ed up crap. During my talk I said "Gaza people don't deserve a positive picture simply because they are not good people" and one girl jumped on me and said "Don't generalize" despite the fact that the majority is not good.

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The trouble is that often times the "generalization" is incorrect. Many times people generalize and associate the vocal minority as the more common group in a country. Besides, I hate being prejudged.

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#3 aransom
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All generalizations are bad!

If your generalization has a basis in fact, then there's nothing wrong with using it. It's OK to say, "all squares are rectangles," even though it's a generalization.

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#4 GazaAli
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But isn't that unrealistic to an extent? that the minority is usually more vocal? Don't know how to say it, but wouldn't we be living a better life here in Gaza if we were indeed good people? The fact that we live a bad life indicates that we deserved it.
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#5 yabbicoke
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Because everyone is stupid.
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#6 ganon92
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You said yourself that Gaza is partly good, partly bad; therefore to generalise it all in one manner (bad) would be wrong would it not?

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#7 GazaAli
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You said yourself that Gaza is partly good, partly bad; therefore to generalise it all in one manner (bad) would be wrong would it not?

ganon92
I said that daily life in Gaza is not half bad, not as some people make it look like. I mean to an extent its good, but of course not how it should be. But when judging the people and their habits, thats a different story.
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Really I think the two go hand in hand. When the majority fits a certain description, shouldn't I generalize?

Like yesterday I was in a kind of a debate class and we started talking about how Gaza is represented in the west. We either have Hamas showing us as beggers in need of aid and under severe seige, or we have other activists showing that we are great and creative people. My classmates started to talk about how we should give a positive image about Gaza and its people and I told them this is BS since we don't deserve such a picture. We have some good things yes, be we also have some ****ed up crap. During my talk I said "Gaza people don't deserve a positive picture simply because they are not good people" and one girl jumped on me and said "Don't generalize" despite the fact that the majority is not good.

GazaAli
Well.. you shouldnt do generalizations like that. YOu are discrediting a complete society as bad.However, bad and good are ethical values based on YOUR point of view,, which may not be compatible with the rest of the world.
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#9 VaguelyTagged
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well if you have enough proof to back your so called generalization up,i don't see anything wrong with it.

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#10 deactivated-5a79221380856
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You can't generalize the majority. The majority is your representation of the generalization, not the generalization itself. There is nothing wrong with using the majority to generalize.

All generalizations are bad!

If your generalization has a basis in fact, then there's nothing wrong with using it. It's OK to say, "all squares are rectangles," even though it's a generalization.

aransom

That's true by definition, not by generalization. A generalization would be something like, "Christians are conservative," not "Christians practice Christianity," which is a definition. Of course, many people's definitions of Christian is different from mine.

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Really I think the two go hand in hand. When the majority fits a certain description, shouldn't I generalize?

Like yesterday I was in a kind of a debate class and we started talking about how Gaza is represented in the west. We either have Hamas showing us as beggers in need of aid and under severe seige, or we have other activists showing that we are great and creative people. My classmates started to talk about how we should give a positive image about Gaza and its people and I told them this is BS since we don't deserve such a picture. We have some good things yes, be we also have some ****ed up crap. During my talk I said "Gaza people don't deserve a positive picture simply because they are not good people" and one girl jumped on me and said "Don't generalize" despite the fact that the majority is not good.

GazaAli

When we in the West think of Gaza we do think of Hamas. I looked over to my mom after reading this and asked her what the first thing she thought of when I said Gaza no suprise she said hamas. And don't stop to think that some people in Gaza are normal people like yourself.

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#12 DoomZaW
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I'd probably rather say that the problem with statement is that "good" is an incredibly broad term, and that you don't really have any factual proof that the majority of gaza's population doesn't meet the demands of being good persons

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#13 ganon92
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

Really I think the two go hand in hand. When the majority fits a certain description, shouldn't I generalize?

Like yesterday I was in a kind of a debate class and we started talking about how Gaza is represented in the west. We either have Hamas showing us as beggers in need of aid and under severe seige, or we have other activists showing that we are great and creative people. My classmates started to talk about how we should give a positive image about Gaza and its people and I told them this is BS since we don't deserve such a picture. We have some good things yes, be we also have some ****ed up crap. During my talk I said "Gaza people don't deserve a positive picture simply because they are not good people" and one girl jumped on me and said "Don't generalize" despite the fact that the majority is not good.

Warship_19

When we in the West think of Gaza we do think of Hamas. I looked over to my mom after reading this and asked her what the first thing she thought of when I said Gaza no suprise she said hamas. And don't stop to think that some people in Gaza are normal people like yourself.

I'm going to generalize and say that the majority in the west, when thinking about Gaza, don't know what it is.
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#14 Agent-Zero
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All generalizations are bad!

If your generalization has a basis in fact, then there's nothing wrong with using it. It's OK to say, "all squares are rectangles," even though it's a generalization.

aransom
Is that really a generalization though? That's a fact. There is no possible way for it to be wrong. If I were to say all Americans watch TV, that's a generalization. It's true for most of the people in the group, but you know there's at least one person who's never watched a TV.
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From what you've said it seems that you feel that the people of Gaza don't deserve to have their general image. Saying that it would be ok to generalise because one group deserves the generalisation is different than another group being generalised when it doesn't deserve the generalisation.
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#16 aransom
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[QUOTE="aransom"]

All generalizations are bad!

If your generalization has a basis in fact, then there's nothing wrong with using it. It's OK to say, "all squares are rectangles," even though it's a generalization.

Agent-Zero

Is that really a generalization though? That's a fact. There is no possible way for it to be wrong. If I were to say all Americans watch TV, that's a generalization. It's true for most of the people in the group, but you know there's at least one person who's never watched a TV.

I agree that if you said, "all Americans watch TV," you'd be on shaky ground because not all Americans watch TV. But you could say, "Americans, in general, watch TV". and you wouldn't be out on a limb.

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#17 Former_Slacker
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It is a logical fallacy.

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#18 haresimo
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are you saying majority of gazians are bad people?